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00:02:56,063\n我想這個部分我們去跟申訴要有贏的把握啦不然你去申訴等於是所以沒有贏的把握就不會去我們現在還不太了解會有多大的影響不是啊那個第一我要說有影響因為我們現在要把SOP定出來嘛對你怎麼可能說等到有影響再想怎麼辦嘛所以你要先想我們有我們這方面的scenario是都有在進行對那我這問說會不會這個跟WTO有沒有關係你不會去做任何動作就對了齁\n\n9\n00:03:00,356 --> 00:03:18,646\n主要就是說這個政策是您提出來的嘛,你還有一個政策是講說大手拉小手嘛,大帶小嘛那很多大﹐那個是供應鏈對供應鏈一樣嘛,你供應鏈你出去之後大家在那邊就形成一個供應鏈嘛那如果說有其他的影響的話,我們要怎麼因應嘛,我現在問的問題是這個\n\n10\n00:03:20,922 --> 00:03:40,445\n我們怎麼應應是我們要看他們會碰到什麼樣的問題啊不一定都是關稅的問題你做一個部長你不可能是你都沒有想過你等到說他發生問題以後他來告訴我們要我們怎麼解決我們才來協助嘛沒有這樣子的啦通常產業的發展你要比人家先想好兩三步啦\n\n11\n00:03:40,925 --> 00:03:57,081\n他可能會怎麼樣然後所以我們怎麼解決然後解決之後可能又會面臨什麼困難所以我們再怎麼解決怎麼可能是說我先拋一個想法出來等你有問題我再幫你想怎麼解決不是這樣啊部長所以現在我們就是要問你說這個事情後續幾個步驟你們規劃嗎\n\n12\n00:04:00,345 --> 00:04:14,372\n所以你是要瞭解摩天輝的意思嗎?對啊對啊不然的話你這樣子蠻恐怖的啊現在國際上發生任何的事情尤其是川普他可能會拋出很多跟拜登不一樣的政策出來然後我們都想說等他拋了再講然後發生影響再說\n\n13\n00:04:16,572 --> 00:04:41,927\n應該不是這樣子吧部長報告委員我想這個問題跟你所想像的不會一樣那是怎樣我講商業上面我們必須要看他實際出手了以後我們再來對應當然我們有很多對應的方法現在就是在問你方法你現在感覺就是講這個命題不一定是講清楚因為其實我問你問題你如果有清楚一點你如果有反對的話我的問題就是剛剛說如果說像這些\n\n14\n00:04:46,029 --> 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--> 00:12.243\n副長好我請部長請郭部長\n\n00:21.004 --> 00:48.922\n委員好部長請教一下因為那個川普不是說要在墨西哥加拿大還有針對中國大陸都要提高關稅嗎那因為他這個提高關稅可能跟您之前所提到一個政策感覺會帶來一個威脅啦因為之前一直在提到就是說境外國內嘛就是說要我們的一些企業移到其他的國家去生產嘛然後去降低關稅那我們現在其實有很多大廠已經到墨西哥去設廠\n\n00:50.443 --> 01:05.713\n這個部分你掌握的狀況是怎樣?報告委員,我想我所了解的狀況是這樣,我們台灣到墨西哥的這個場域,其實跟美國的新墨西哥州其實是接見、連結的。\n\n01:08.376 --> 01:24.081\n那現在川普如果對他們要定課這個25%的這個關稅我相信他們會去衡量因為他在墨西哥他墨西哥政府有給他一些incentive給他稅的incentive可他土地不用錢\n\n01:25.253 --> 01:47.375\n那他會算,如果我這個東西賣進去美國,賣進去美國,那這樣的衡量是不是划算?他在那個地方生產,他不一定是賣給美國,他可能是賣給加拿大,可能也是賣給這個南美的這個廠商,所以我們要去了解他們的這個……所以你要先評估一下他生產出來之後是賣到哪嗎?\n\n01:48.155 --> 02:08.241\n若是賣到美國才會受到影響嗎?若是賣到其他國家不會受到影響嗎?那目前可能就是事出突然所以也沒有做過這樣的評估嗎?我們可能要跟這個大部分電電工會的會員所以我們會去跟他們來瞭解有沒有需要政府來支援準備要去了解就對了\n\n02:09.381 --> 02:24.753\n那第二個我想問一下假設這些所謂的電子專業製造代工廠或公司受到影響的話那因為按照WTO理論上這些產業行業應該是免稅免關稅那這部分會不會去跟WTO申訴\n\n02:27.605 --> 02:56.063\n我想這個部分我們去跟申訴要有贏的把握啦不然你去申訴等於是所以沒有贏的把握就不會去我們現在還不太了解會有多大的影響不是啊那個第一我要說有影響因為我們現在要把SOP定出來嘛對你怎麼可能說等到有影響再想怎麼辦嘛所以你要先想我們有我們這方面的scenario是都有在進行對那我這問說會不會這個跟WTO有沒有關係你不會去做任何動作就對了齁\n\n03:00.356 --> 03:18.646\n主要就是說這個政策是您提出來的嘛,你還有一個政策是講說大手拉小手嘛,大帶小嘛那很多大﹐那個是供應鏈對供應鏈一樣嘛,你供應鏈你出去之後大家在那邊就形成一個供應鏈嘛那如果說有其他的影響的話,我們要怎麼因應嘛,我現在問的問題是這個\n\n03:20.922 --> 03:40.445\n我們怎麼應應是我們要看他們會碰到什麼樣的問題啊不一定都是關稅的問題你做一個部長你不可能是你都沒有想過你等到說他發生問題以後他來告訴我們要我們怎麼解決我們才來協助嘛沒有這樣子的啦通常產業的發展你要比人家先想好兩三步啦\n\n03:40.925 --> 03:57.081\n他可能會怎麼樣然後所以我們怎麼解決然後解決之後可能又會面臨什麼困難所以我們再怎麼解決怎麼可能是說我先拋一個想法出來等你有問題我再幫你想怎麼解決不是這樣啊部長所以現在我們就是要問你說這個事情後續幾個步驟你們規劃嗎\n\n04:00.345 --> 04:14.372\n所以你是要瞭解摩天輝的意思嗎?對啊對啊不然的話你這樣子蠻恐怖的啊現在國際上發生任何的事情尤其是川普他可能會拋出很多跟拜登不一樣的政策出來然後我們都想說等他拋了再講然後發生影響再說\n\n04:16.572 --> 04:41.927\n應該不是這樣子吧部長報告委員我想這個問題跟你所想像的不會一樣那是怎樣我講商業上面我們必須要看他實際出手了以後我們再來對應當然我們有很多對應的方法現在就是在問你方法你現在感覺就是講這個命題不一定是講清楚因為其實我問你問題你如果有清楚一點你如果有反對的話我的問題就是剛剛說如果說像這些\n\n04:46.029 --> 05:05.258\n電子專業的製造代工廠如果他有受到這個關稅的影響那我們政府會怎麼因應嗎?我們就幫助他到美國去設廠就好啦幫助他去美國設廠是不是?就是他隔一條街就是美國啦所以現在因應的方式就是幫助他去美國設廠當然啦那有多大的把握?多大的把握?\n\n05:07.386 --> 05:32.787\n對阿,就是說你只要幫助他,他就會去嗎?美國就...他們自己就會去啦!所以你這也算是...因為美國那個地方齁,報告委員,這個桃李不言,下至晨曦啦!好不好,他的條件夠好他就會去啦!所以其實部長你也提了一個移美論啦,移動的移啦,移美論就是說我們未來就把這些產業,這些工廠、公司,勸他們去美國設廠解決這個問題嗎?條件不好他也不會去嘛!那對國內的勒?\n\n05:34.329 --> 05:41.726\n國內的產業就是我們會分兩種嘛我們會看他所需要的問題是什麼\n\n05:42.830 --> 06:03.744\n那他對國內現在都還沒有定出來要做什麼樣的措施嘛所以我們不會先講啦我們等他的確定他會對台灣採取什麼樣的措施我們才有這個幫助的方式部長你的答詢都高深莫測就是不願意我不知道這是不願意先底牌還是說根本沒有準備好啦\n\n06:04.164 --> 06:29.546\n那我是希望說你是不想我是希望你是因為不想先立牌啦但如果說其實你都是沒有準備好你不知道會有什麼影響然後沒有因應作為所以你就在立院答詢的時候就說我們都準備好啦但是怎麼樣到時候再說我就會覺得很恐怖啦所以希望說你是準備好的你不是我所以你不能用我的想法來騙我你每次來答詢的時候你回答問題都用這種方式就好啦因為你的問題就讓我\n\n06:30.967 --> 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