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00:04:02,269\n結果呢去年他又以所謂的因為疫情的關係再給他深恆昌是10年4個月彩毛是9年4個月所以兩家呢每一家呢都會變成25年長達25年四分之一世紀的一個長期的合約\n\n10\n00:04:08,877 --> 00:04:13,658\n所以我當時就說這到底是什麼樣的霸王合約啊我在國外免稅店也不可能給他們這麼長的合約大家都經歷過疫情所以其實在去年的時候你們給他這麼長的合約就已經有問題了才造成這個採盲整個是喧賓奪主啊變成黃金之亂而你們合約裡面說看營運績效營運績效也就是說我們如果觀光人潮夠多的話\n\n11\n00:04:35,162 --> 00:04:35,983\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12\n00:05:05,243 --> 00:05:10,309\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n13\n00:05:26,587 --> 00:05:47,744\n在這個國門在維持他的營運所以他也受到營運的損失那我們的確是依據促參法還有這個契約的相關規定來核算按公式來算這這件事情啊如果沒有這個黃金之亂可能大家還沒有注意到好沒有錯三年多那麼他受到疫情的影響你再補他補他三年\n\n14\n00:05:50,146 --> 00:05:50,567\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n15\n00:06:07,128 --> 00:06:25,601\n因為這個三年的疫情等於是某個程度是一個空白的三年所以對於我們現在的確合約計算是從疫情這個部分會把它扣除然後我們才去算它的損失的部分要補多少年給它這個是這樣算的那第二個補充就是說\n\n16\n00:06:27,202 --> 00:06:52,329\n對於這個合約的執行營運績效不是看它的營業而是就合約應該要負責的內容比如說包含公共服務各方面有沒有做得好。公共服務有做得好嗎?做成這樣都做到黃金之亂所以最後一句話是不是你剛剛講說公共服務公共服務服務到引起公憤他公共服務引起公憤所以你們在這一次是不是在合約裡面要真的做檢討\n\n17\n00:06:56,076 --> 00:07:13,954\n包括委員所以這一次的一個事件一定會一定會在今年的營運績效評估裡面去充分的來做反應跟做對應的沒有沒有什麼時候會做出一個結論我們一般的話是今年的營運績效會在明年來辦理明年什麼時候\n\n18\n00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:32,363\n明年有12個月我們預計是大概從上半年就開始準備因為這個我們不是我們機場公司自己來做平額我們會邀請外部的委員來做平額所以這個這件事情啊不要等到這個事情平息了風頭過去了然後就不了了之好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2449\t13336\t議員議員議員議員議員\n18090\t39299\t我想先請范總經理來跟我們說一下因為我們這次中華英雄中華隊他們回到國內那麼在整個的機場因為非常凌亂而且發生所謂的黃金之亂也就是我們的免稅店的採盲公司他們亂入\n41501\t66002\t當然就引起了非常多的爭議。我想請問一下彩萌在我們的陶基現在的合約會到民國幾年幾月?跟委員報告彩萌的合約是從108年開始這中間因為有經歷了疫情的影響所以這個大概有三年四個月\n66442\t86852\t議員議員議員\n87062\t89623\t公路局及所屬單公路局及所屬單公路局及所屬單\n115789\t119232\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n137845\t164161\t除此之外在合約上面有沒有其他的一些牽制的功能所以我們是不是還是必須等到2040年的4月也就是說還有16年是我想跟委員報告我們早上報告的這個是一個懲罰性的一個罰款那就我們合約執行本身我們每年要對他們的營運績效來做平和\n164801\t191719\t所以今年的話這一次的事件一定會反映在113的這個平和結果裡面那這個部分都會納到我們的後續合約執行的檢討來一併做整體的考量所以也就是說雖然他的合約還在走但是這個事件會納入他的這個合約是不是能夠繼續持續的檢討所以是有可能提早解約的嗎?\n193440\t208318\t這個部分我們可能會做整體的檢討因為在合約裡面的確有如果這個情節真的重大到會影響到合約執行那可能會有相對應的條款來處理那對於這一次的情形\n209137\t214722\t當然就是會以整體來看它的一個狀況。老師說這個有關於我們一直不停的延長合約在我去年我就曾經提出來過對不對也就是說我們本來我們就有12年的一個合約因為疫情給它延長3年所以就已經有15年\n229935\t242269\t結果呢去年他又以所謂的因為疫情的關係再給他深恆昌是10年4個月彩毛是9年4個月所以兩家呢每一家呢都會變成25年長達25年四分之一世紀的一個長期的合約\n248877\t253658\t所以我當時就說這到底是什麼樣的霸王合約啊我在國外免稅店也不可能給他們這麼長的合約大家都經歷過疫情所以其實在去年的時候你們給他這麼長的合約就已經有問題了才造成這個採盲整個是喧賓奪主啊變成黃金之亂而你們合約裡面說看營運績效營運績效也就是說我們如果觀光人潮夠多的話\n275162\t275983\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n305243\t310309\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n326587\t347744\t在這個國門在維持他的營運所以他也受到營運的損失那我們的確是依據促參法還有這個契約的相關規定來核算按公式來算這這件事情啊如果沒有這個黃金之亂可能大家還沒有注意到好沒有錯三年多那麼他受到疫情的影響你再補他補他三年\n350146\t350567\t五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n367128\t385601\t因為這個三年的疫情等於是某個程度是一個空白的三年所以對於我們現在的確合約計算是從疫情這個部分會把它扣除然後我們才去算它的損失的部分要補多少年給它這個是這樣算的那第二個補充就是說\n387202\t412329\t對於這個合約的執行營運績效不是看它的營業而是就合約應該要負責的內容比如說包含公共服務各方面有沒有做得好。公共服務有做得好嗎?做成這樣都做到黃金之亂所以最後一句話是不是你剛剛講說公共服務公共服務服務到引起公憤他公共服務引起公憤所以你們在這一次是不是在合約裡面要真的做檢討\n416076\t433954\t包括委員所以這一次的一個事件一定會一定會在今年的營運績效評估裡面去充分的來做反應跟做對應的沒有沒有什麼時候會做出一個結論我們一般的話是今年的營運績效會在明年來辦理明年什麼時候\n435270\t452363\t明年有12個月我們預計是大概從上半年就開始準備因為這個我們不是我們機場公司自己來做平額我們會邀請外部的委員來做平額所以這個這件事情啊不要等到這個事情平息了風頭過去了然後就不了了之好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"議員議員議員議員議員\n我想先請范總經理來跟我們說一下因為我們這次中華英雄中華隊他們回到國內那麼在整個的機場因為非常凌亂而且發生所謂的黃金之亂也就是我們的免稅店的採盲公司他們亂入\n當然就引起了非常多的爭議。我想請問一下彩萌在我們的陶基現在的合約會到民國幾年幾月?跟委員報告彩萌的合約是從108年開始這中間因為有經歷了疫情的影響所以這個大概有三年四個月\n議員議員議員\n公路局及所屬單公路局及所屬單公路局及所屬單\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n除此之外在合約上面有沒有其他的一些牽制的功能所以我們是不是還是必須等到2040年的4月也就是說還有16年是我想跟委員報告我們早上報告的這個是一個懲罰性的一個罰款那就我們合約執行本身我們每年要對他們的營運績效來做平和\n所以今年的話這一次的事件一定會反映在113的這個平和結果裡面那這個部分都會納到我們的後續合約執行的檢討來一併做整體的考量所以也就是說雖然他的合約還在走但是這個事件會納入他的這個合約是不是能夠繼續持續的檢討所以是有可能提早解約的嗎?\n這個部分我們可能會做整體的檢討因為在合約裡面的確有如果這個情節真的重大到會影響到合約執行那可能會有相對應的條款來處理那對於這一次的情形\n當然就是會以整體來看它的一個狀況。老師說這個有關於我們一直不停的延長合約在我去年我就曾經提出來過對不對也就是說我們本來我們就有12年的一個合約因為疫情給它延長3年所以就已經有15年\n結果呢去年他又以所謂的因為疫情的關係再給他深恆昌是10年4個月彩毛是9年4個月所以兩家呢每一家呢都會變成25年長達25年四分之一世紀的一個長期的合約\n所以我當時就說這到底是什麼樣的霸王合約啊我在國外免稅店也不可能給他們這麼長的合約大家都經歷過疫情所以其實在去年的時候你們給他這麼長的合約就已經有問題了才造成這個採盲整個是喧賓奪主啊變成黃金之亂而你們合約裡面說看營運績效營運績效也就是說我們如果觀光人潮夠多的話\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n在這個國門在維持他的營運所以他也受到營運的損失那我們的確是依據促參法還有這個契約的相關規定來核算按公式來算這這件事情啊如果沒有這個黃金之亂可能大家還沒有注意到好沒有錯三年多那麼他受到疫情的影響你再補他補他三年\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n因為這個三年的疫情等於是某個程度是一個空白的三年所以對於我們現在的確合約計算是從疫情這個部分會把它扣除然後我們才去算它的損失的部分要補多少年給它這個是這樣算的那第二個補充就是說\n對於這個合約的執行營運績效不是看它的營業而是就合約應該要負責的內容比如說包含公共服務各方面有沒有做得好。公共服務有做得好嗎?做成這樣都做到黃金之亂所以最後一句話是不是你剛剛講說公共服務公共服務服務到引起公憤他公共服務引起公憤所以你們在這一次是不是在合約裡面要真的做檢討\n包括委員所以這一次的一個事件一定會一定會在今年的營運績效評估裡面去充分的來做反應跟做對應的沒有沒有什麼時候會做出一個結論我們一般的話是今年的營運績效會在明年來辦理明年什麼時候\n明年有12個月我們預計是大概從上半年就開始準備因為這個我們不是我們機場公司自己來做平額我們會邀請外部的委員來做平額所以這個這件事情啊不要等到這個事情平息了風頭過去了然後就不了了之好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:18.090 --> 00:39.299\n我想先請范總經理來跟我們說一下因為我們這次中華英雄中華隊他們回到國內那麼在整個的機場因為非常凌亂而且發生所謂的黃金之亂也就是我們的免稅店的採盲公司他們亂入\n\n00:41.501 --> 01:06.002\n當然就引起了非常多的爭議。我想請問一下彩萌在我們的陶基現在的合約會到民國幾年幾月?跟委員報告彩萌的合約是從108年開始這中間因為有經歷了疫情的影響所以這個大概有三年四個月\n\n01:27.062 --> 01:29.623\n公路局及所屬單公路局及所屬單公路局及所屬單\n\n01:55.789 --> 01:59.232\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n02:17.845 --> 02:44.161\n除此之外在合約上面有沒有其他的一些牽制的功能所以我們是不是還是必須等到2040年的4月也就是說還有16年是我想跟委員報告我們早上報告的這個是一個懲罰性的一個罰款那就我們合約執行本身我們每年要對他們的營運績效來做平和\n\n02:44.801 --> 03:11.719\n所以今年的話這一次的事件一定會反映在113的這個平和結果裡面那這個部分都會納到我們的後續合約執行的檢討來一併做整體的考量所以也就是說雖然他的合約還在走但是這個事件會納入他的這個合約是不是能夠繼續持續的檢討所以是有可能提早解約的嗎?\n\n03:13.440 --> 03:28.318\n這個部分我們可能會做整體的檢討因為在合約裡面的確有如果這個情節真的重大到會影響到合約執行那可能會有相對應的條款來處理那對於這一次的情形\n\n03:29.137 --> 03:34.722\n當然就是會以整體來看它的一個狀況。老師說這個有關於我們一直不停的延長合約在我去年我就曾經提出來過對不對也就是說我們本來我們就有12年的一個合約因為疫情給它延長3年所以就已經有15年\n\n03:49.935 --> 04:02.269\n結果呢去年他又以所謂的因為疫情的關係再給他深恆昌是10年4個月彩毛是9年4個月所以兩家呢每一家呢都會變成25年長達25年四分之一世紀的一個長期的合約\n\n04:08.877 --> 04:13.658\n所以我當時就說這到底是什麼樣的霸王合約啊我在國外免稅店也不可能給他們這麼長的合約大家都經歷過疫情所以其實在去年的時候你們給他這麼長的合約就已經有問題了才造成這個採盲整個是喧賓奪主啊變成黃金之亂而你們合約裡面說看營運績效營運績效也就是說我們如果觀光人潮夠多的話\n\n04:35.162 --> 04:35.983\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:05.243 --> 05:10.309\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n05:26.587 --> 05:47.744\n在這個國門在維持他的營運所以他也受到營運的損失那我們的確是依據促參法還有這個契約的相關規定來核算按公式來算這這件事情啊如果沒有這個黃金之亂可能大家還沒有注意到好沒有錯三年多那麼他受到疫情的影響你再補他補他三年\n\n05:50.146 --> 05:50.567\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n06:07.128 --> 06:25.601\n因為這個三年的疫情等於是某個程度是一個空白的三年所以對於我們現在的確合約計算是從疫情這個部分會把它扣除然後我們才去算它的損失的部分要補多少年給它這個是這樣算的那第二個補充就是說\n\n06:27.202 --> 06:52.329\n對於這個合約的執行營運績效不是看它的營業而是就合約應該要負責的內容比如說包含公共服務各方面有沒有做得好。公共服務有做得好嗎?做成這樣都做到黃金之亂所以最後一句話是不是你剛剛講說公共服務公共服務服務到引起公憤他公共服務引起公憤所以你們在這一次是不是在合約裡面要真的做檢討\n\n06:56.076 --> 07:13.954\n包括委員所以這一次的一個事件一定會一定會在今年的營運績效評估裡面去充分的來做反應跟做對應的沒有沒有什麼時候會做出一個結論我們一般的話是今年的營運績效會在明年來辦理明年什麼時候\n\n07:15.270 --> 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