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00:04:51,684\n第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n16\n00:05:15,516 --> 00:05:34,600\n資料庫的部分裡面其實是非常重要的但是呢很多專家因為投資資源來做繁體中文的資料庫為什麼要特別提出來因為全世界模型中有台灣內容的比改造會講台灣語的模型更具有長期的效益為什麼要特別提出來因為簡體的中文占16.2這個database12.2我們繁體中文只有占0.05所以我們常常download要去查部分常常有很多我不太熟悉的不夠尊敬的什麼什麼大人\n\n17\n00:05:44,702 --> 00:06:01,408\n這些都不是非常在我們一般習慣的台灣的用語出現所以你與其做這樣的一個事情我覺得你們是否但是我看一下你們的內容你們所這個部分當中來反體中文的這樣的資料庫沒有反映在你們的預算當中但是呢\n\n18\n00:06:02,028 --> 00:06:04,689\n很難是有你們的反應在這個層面當中而且呢你繼續編了1.4億來精進你們模型的開發並不是不行但是我個人認為你每年投資300億的AI經費為什麼沒有辦法建構一個打從心裡我們一搜尋就可以到的繁體中文資料庫呢這個沒有在你們的經費當中啊\n\n19\n00:06:25,068 --> 00:06:44,642\n這一部分我認同委員的建議我們後續會...而且我說實在你們像所有世界各國他們的AI在對Database的建構上面他們已經鬆綁法規而且民間跟政府一起來使用但是我們目前TED的訓練資料都只是局促在公部門\n\n20\n00:06:45,162 --> 00:06:45,622\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n21\n00:07:05,503 --> 00:07:07,464\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委及所屬單位預算案\n\n22\n00:07:22,428 --> 00:07:40,982\n這個部分我想這個主委很重要最後我要來問一下因為時間的關係我們高雄科學院這個高雄科學的實驗中學我只要花了27億來做建校的工作然後目前要放在我們的吉拉塔我們的橋頭但是你看看這個比率這個主委你知道大概會有多少學生嗎基本上\n\n23\n00:07:43,336 --> 00:07:49,921\n但是我還是要提醒主委,雖然你發了二十七要做一些軟硬體的建構但是你看看114年園區實驗的一些訓練輔助你只編了五億多然後呢南科佔了七成雖然我們是籌配只有四百零一萬但是我還是要提醒主委因為未來高雄南子橋科面積不比\n\n24\n00:08:10,436 --> 00:08:13,398\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n25\n00:08:37,551 --> 00:08:38,492\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n26\n00:08:59,005 --> 00:09:19,738\n我覺得這個主委你應該是充分去了解,因為這個報道率、招生率很低。報告員我了解啦,就是因為我們有入學資格的限制啦。有啊。所以我剛剛講,園區的就業人口的組成,如果沒有到這個需求量,我們是有這樣的這個空間,但是我們也是歡迎說有啊,你們也會點。\n\n27\n00:09:20,718 --> 00:09:20,998\n及所屬單位預算案\n\n28\n00:09:39,238 --> 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數據還是一樣但是我還是你的霸凌的問題一個禮拜請交出報告給本期好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝柯志恩委員\n","txt":"主委主委好目前勞動部應該職場霸凌引發非常多非常的爭議然後卓院長也特別提到了就是說希望各部會能夠在一個禮拜之內能夠做一些的調查那我想請問主委你們國科會開始清查了嗎你們有定力有關於職場防治霸凌的辦法嗎\n我們已經有定的辦法而且也公告了,然後也召集國科會所有的主管從基層...是,你們是11月才訂立了,是比其他各部會慢很多,是經過卓院長指示之後你們才會提出這些要點嗎?我們其實在之前已經差不多完成了,\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n我們正在清查當中,那我...你不是已經訂立了嗎?然後卓院長說一個禮拜之內就要清查完畢嗎?我為什麼要提到這個部分?因為你們有基層的員工跟我反映。主管為了迎合國科會的長官,任意調動他們的工作內容、工作點,如果不願意去就會放話,不去就要辭職。你知道有這個狀況嗎?\n我們的確內部有些反應我們正在這個必須要經過我們原來規定辦法規定的我們用科學數據來說法其實我直指我講的就是你們的科證中心有人反映你們的主管是逼迫員工一定要派駐到國科會的駐點而且有國科會協助相關的業務我強調是最近4年\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n你覺得合理嗎?我們因為在施政上面人力不足公務員的編制不足所以我們還是得要但是你知道這些你跟人家簽的合作契約上並不是這樣子我還是要強調你每年派回超過一個處事的人力然後這些人要做兩份的工作不是派回來那邊就不管了而且最重要的是你有沒有問過這些平凡調動的員工他們的想法\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。\n謝謝委員提醒這一部分可能有部分原因是因為是計劃約聘的人員那計劃人員都是定期的我在學術界我知道但是主委你不能拿這個當一個表面的部分因為有人來而且不只你們一位\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n主委好好徹查一下這個才是很重要不要給他們一開始就給他們太多的理由已經發生這樣的狀況一個單位43%的人離職不是只有因為計劃結束才做這種調動這沒有辦法說服本席\n好,我們一定會徵詢同仁的意願,我們才會做這個表達。當然,這是很重要,這是你當初的法規上跟他製作,而且主管如果遇到這個部分,你用言語做這樣子的處理,用烤雞來做要挾,做這樣的一個情緒勒索,我覺得發生勞動部的事情,主委我相信你也不希望發生在。我不希望,是是。你當然不希望,所以請你好好徹查這一件事情。一個禮拜可不可以告訴我你們的結果是如何。\n第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n資料庫的部分裡面其實是非常重要的但是呢很多專家因為投資資源來做繁體中文的資料庫為什麼要特別提出來因為全世界模型中有台灣內容的比改造會講台灣語的模型更具有長期的效益為什麼要特別提出來因為簡體的中文占16.2這個database12.2我們繁體中文只有占0.05所以我們常常download要去查部分常常有很多我不太熟悉的不夠尊敬的什麼什麼大人\n這些都不是非常在我們一般習慣的台灣的用語出現所以你與其做這樣的一個事情我覺得你們是否但是我看一下你們的內容你們所這個部分當中來反體中文的這樣的資料庫沒有反映在你們的預算當中但是呢\n很難是有你們的反應在這個層面當中而且呢你繼續編了1.4億來精進你們模型的開發並不是不行但是我個人認為你每年投資300億的AI經費為什麼沒有辦法建構一個打從心裡我們一搜尋就可以到的繁體中文資料庫呢這個沒有在你們的經費當中啊\n這一部分我認同委員的建議我們後續會...而且我說實在你們像所有世界各國他們的AI在對Database的建構上面他們已經鬆綁法規而且民間跟政府一起來使用但是我們目前TED的訓練資料都只是局促在公部門\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委及所屬單位預算案\n這個部分我想這個主委很重要最後我要來問一下因為時間的關係我們高雄科學院這個高雄科學的實驗中學我只要花了27億來做建校的工作然後目前要放在我們的吉拉塔我們的橋頭但是你看看這個比率這個主委你知道大概會有多少學生嗎基本上\n但是我還是要提醒主委,雖然你發了二十七要做一些軟硬體的建構但是你看看114年園區實驗的一些訓練輔助你只編了五億多然後呢南科佔了七成雖然我們是籌配只有四百零一萬但是我還是要提醒主委因為未來高雄南子橋科面積不比\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n我覺得這個主委你應該是充分去了解,因為這個報道率、招生率很低。報告員我了解啦,就是因為我們有入學資格的限制啦。有啊。所以我剛剛講,園區的就業人口的組成,如果沒有到這個需求量,我們是有這樣的這個空間,但是我們也是歡迎說有啊,你們也會點。\n及所屬單位預算案\n不要忽略高雄科學高雄實驗中學的籌備還有他的資源的分配現在南科站的七成多未來請你多分一點能夠讓他秘密居到我覺得這個部分這個才是本期要再次的提醒好不好我們所有原期實驗中學會一視同仁好 數據還是一樣但是我還是你的霸凌的問題一個禮拜請交出報告給本期好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝柯志恩委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.802 --> 00:02.763\n主委主委好目前勞動部應該職場霸凌引發非常多非常的爭議然後卓院長也特別提到了就是說希望各部會能夠在一個禮拜之內能夠做一些的調查那我想請問主委你們國科會開始清查了嗎你們有定力有關於職場防治霸凌的辦法嗎\n\n00:27.162 --> 00:46.881\n我們已經有定的辦法而且也公告了,然後也召集國科會所有的主管從基層...是,你們是11月才訂立了,是比其他各部會慢很多,是經過卓院長指示之後你們才會提出這些要點嗎?我們其實在之前已經差不多完成了,\n\n00:47.461 --> 00:48.882\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n01:06.249 --> 01:11.773\n我們正在清查當中,那我...你不是已經訂立了嗎?然後卓院長說一個禮拜之內就要清查完畢嗎?我為什麼要提到這個部分?因為你們有基層的員工跟我反映。主管為了迎合國科會的長官,任意調動他們的工作內容、工作點,如果不願意去就會放話,不去就要辭職。你知道有這個狀況嗎?\n\n01:27.250 --> 01:50.347\n我們的確內部有些反應我們正在這個必須要經過我們原來規定辦法規定的我們用科學數據來說法其實我直指我講的就是你們的科證中心有人反映你們的主管是逼迫員工一定要派駐到國科會的駐點而且有國科會協助相關的業務我強調是最近4年\n\n01:51.107 --> 01:51.947\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n02:11.226 --> 02:34.734\n你覺得合理嗎?我們因為在施政上面人力不足公務員的編制不足所以我們還是得要但是你知道這些你跟人家簽的合作契約上並不是這樣子我還是要強調你每年派回超過一個處事的人力然後這些人要做兩份的工作不是派回來那邊就不管了而且最重要的是你有沒有問過這些平凡調動的員工他們的想法\n\n02:37.475 --> 02:38.815\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n02:55.080 --> 02:56.661\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。\n\n03:14.178 --> 03:29.359\n謝謝委員提醒這一部分可能有部分原因是因為是計劃約聘的人員那計劃人員都是定期的我在學術界我知道但是主委你不能拿這個當一個表面的部分因為有人來而且不只你們一位\n\n03:29.639 --> 03:30.900\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n03:50.510 --> 03:51.711\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n04:07.142 --> 04:10.625\n主委好好徹查一下這個才是很重要不要給他們一開始就給他們太多的理由已經發生這樣的狀況一個單位43%的人離職不是只有因為計劃結束才做這種調動這沒有辦法說服本席\n\n04:22.056 --> 04:49.823\n好,我們一定會徵詢同仁的意願,我們才會做這個表達。當然,這是很重要,這是你當初的法規上跟他製作,而且主管如果遇到這個部分,你用言語做這樣子的處理,用烤雞來做要挾,做這樣的一個情緒勒索,我覺得發生勞動部的事情,主委我相信你也不希望發生在。我不希望,是是。你當然不希望,所以請你好好徹查這一件事情。一個禮拜可不可以告訴我你們的結果是如何。\n\n04:50.223 --> 04:51.684\n第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n05:15.516 --> 05:34.600\n資料庫的部分裡面其實是非常重要的但是呢很多專家因為投資資源來做繁體中文的資料庫為什麼要特別提出來因為全世界模型中有台灣內容的比改造會講台灣語的模型更具有長期的效益為什麼要特別提出來因為簡體的中文占16.2這個database12.2我們繁體中文只有占0.05所以我們常常download要去查部分常常有很多我不太熟悉的不夠尊敬的什麼什麼大人\n\n05:44.702 --> 06:01.408\n這些都不是非常在我們一般習慣的台灣的用語出現所以你與其做這樣的一個事情我覺得你們是否但是我看一下你們的內容你們所這個部分當中來反體中文的這樣的資料庫沒有反映在你們的預算當中但是呢\n\n06:02.028 --> 06:04.689\n很難是有你們的反應在這個層面當中而且呢你繼續編了1.4億來精進你們模型的開發並不是不行但是我個人認為你每年投資300億的AI經費為什麼沒有辦法建構一個打從心裡我們一搜尋就可以到的繁體中文資料庫呢這個沒有在你們的經費當中啊\n\n06:25.068 --> 06:44.642\n這一部分我認同委員的建議我們後續會...而且我說實在你們像所有世界各國他們的AI在對Database的建構上面他們已經鬆綁法規而且民間跟政府一起來使用但是我們目前TED的訓練資料都只是局促在公部門\n\n06:45.162 --> 06:45.622\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n07:05.503 --> 07:07.464\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委及所屬單位預算案\n\n07:22.428 --> 07:40.982\n這個部分我想這個主委很重要最後我要來問一下因為時間的關係我們高雄科學院這個高雄科學的實驗中學我只要花了27億來做建校的工作然後目前要放在我們的吉拉塔我們的橋頭但是你看看這個比率這個主委你知道大概會有多少學生嗎基本上\n\n07:43.336 --> 07:49.921\n但是我還是要提醒主委,雖然你發了二十七要做一些軟硬體的建構但是你看看114年園區實驗的一些訓練輔助你只編了五億多然後呢南科佔了七成雖然我們是籌配只有四百零一萬但是我還是要提醒主委因為未來高雄南子橋科面積不比\n\n08:10.436 --> 08:13.398\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n08:37.551 --> 08:38.492\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n08:59.005 --> 09:19.738\n我覺得這個主委你應該是充分去了解,因為這個報道率、招生率很低。報告員我了解啦,就是因為我們有入學資格的限制啦。有啊。所以我剛剛講,園區的就業人口的組成,如果沒有到這個需求量,我們是有這樣的這個空間,但是我們也是歡迎說有啊,你們也會點。\n\n09:20.718 --> 09:20.998\n及所屬單位預算案\n\n09:39.238 --> 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