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--> 00:03:11,129\n委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n10\n00:03:33,605 --> 00:04:01,605\n公安的問題也會撤銷這個金石獎所以有使用一個新增的一個工程主委我要的就是說有沒有著手去做像最近只有10月份嘉義科大延期一個公安又死掉10月13號桃園的中游三街也有人死掉11月12號新北市第二行政也是有人死掉\n\n11\n00:04:02,981 --> 00:04:23,386\n注意我現在為什麼會這麼在乎因為雖然執行機關不是你但是不要忘了公共工程有關的你都一定要去管所以在這整個合約的部分你特別特別要去規範像這些東西所以我還是再次拜託主委\n\n12\n00:04:24,554 --> 00:04:30,037\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算\n\n13\n00:04:40,982 --> 00:05:05,197\n我希望主委將心比心這個部分刻不容緩盡快去規劃如何去聯合勞動部、勞研署這裡要做一個橫向聯繫的來動作所以我剛才已經舉例了不能管理無成效然後一直在說你們有在做注意我坦白跟你說\n\n14\n00:05:06,098 --> 00:05:12,117\n我對你是非常尊重的所以基本上該做的就要去做這個你做的到了為什麼不做\n\n15\n00:05:13,441 --> 00:05:41,131\n這個報告委員那我們會除了剛才我所說的因為你已經答應過我了對你已經答應過我了好另外就是派駐勞工的薪資強制化這個你也答應了這個你也做得到啊合約寫得很清楚就可以OK啦所以主委我也要拜託你勞工很可憐的我們上週會議已經決定修改範本要求派駐勞工薪水OK\n\n16\n00:05:42,111 --> 00:06:10,379\nOK所以這注意這我也要拜託你這個馬上要執行這是一個公平跟保障勞工的一個權利另外一個注意我就要提醒一下台電工程引用移工這個問題你們可能還是要去注意不管怎麼樣台電是國營事業所以在這個部分我也希望公共工程\n\n17\n00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:31,548\n委員會還是要準備在整個監督方面這個移工過來其實尤其台電他是危險性非常高的所以我要拜託我們主委在這個部分可能要真的還是要去注意一下是好最後就是預算的問題\n\n18\n00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:45,717\n預算的問題我不曉得我那個那個我們你們的處長來來會計室的處長來幫忙幫忙主委一下因為這個太細可能主委不太了解來預算書的問題\n\n19\n00:06:49,582 --> 00:06:57,909\n我請問一下114年你們的預算書的第17頁的預算針對你們的預算喔針對公共工程的法規部分分別為推動政府採購華澤等等這三項的東西為什麼要去重疊去編列409萬\n\n20\n00:07:16,291 --> 00:07:34,580\n我跟你講主委不會那麼了解那麼細但是很不幸的現在我們本委員會的立法委員在看預算都非常看得非常細所以主委你可能要去為什麼同樣的名稱會編列409萬這個第一另外一個就是\n\n21\n00:07:39,682 --> 00:08:05,732\n主委可能這個談起來主委可能一定要去注意我們預算114年度的預算第12頁的工作計畫第三項也就是公共工程所有的列管數據記載喔注意我們的列管我們的列管是7879億\n\n22\n00:08:10,475 --> 00:08:21,078\n我們公共工程但是卓院長在我們院會報告他的列管數據是6190億這裡面就差了1687億\n\n23\n00:08:30,339 --> 00:08:52,952\n主委你現在聽得懂我的意思嗎就是我們公共工程委員會他的數據跟行政院長卓院長在院會裡面報告的數據是對不起來的這原因是什麼所以我還是希望主委這當然你得要等他查一下我不希望卓院長講一套\n\n24\n00:08:54,272 --> 00:09:15,361\n陳主委講一套這樣的話我們在審預算到底要聽誰的所以我剛才所說明的這些預算我要拜託你們要解釋清楚不然審預算我跟你講我產生錯覺我砍預算你們不能怪我因為我一向很支持你們的欸\n\n25\n00:09:16,221 --> 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--> 00:26.752\n謝謝主席NCC的預算本席季節執行它但是剛剛我在提案中已經講得非常清楚今天出席的NCC的官員不適合明年預算的背景這是主要其原因\n\n00:28.127 --> 00:57.341\n為什麼?因為現在代主委兩天就下台兩天以後代主委才會上台那請問一下一個單位沒有首長來巡打請問這個預算如何去說明所以我坦白講今天我會提這個案過去我是非常堅持的尤其NCC所有的作為我本人是非常堅持的\n\n00:58.137 --> 01:15.391\n因為今天是尊重主席他認為應該尋打那我們也希望沒有所長的東西沒有所長在場要去做解凍的動作本席是極力堅持\n\n01:16.695 --> 01:17.456\n請陳經的主委\n\n01:50.611 --> 01:52.014\n委員長好主委\n\n01:53.154 --> 02:16.328\n我現在我記得你剛上任的時候本席就執行過因為我非常在乎的也一向非常支持公共工程委員會在飄搖不定的當中我是力挺公共工程委員會要有存在之必要這是不管誰當主委我都力挺為什麼因為公共工程\n\n02:17.475 --> 02:45.300\n委員會是非常重要的因為我們政府裡面所有的標案那一定所有的規範都是公共工程委員會還來做監督所以每一次我基本上我是非常支持公共工程委員會可是上次主委上任以後我一直在提的就是公共工程的公安監督不周管理不效的問題\n\n02:46.533 --> 03:08.010\n主委你可以告訴我因為經過兩三個月以來我不曉得你到底有沒有責成我們所屬去研究如何去做這些公安監督的連線跟監督的工作主委有沒有好報告委員我們除了\n\n03:09.147 --> 03:11.129\n委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n03:33.605 --> 04:01.605\n公安的問題也會撤銷這個金石獎所以有使用一個新增的一個工程主委我要的就是說有沒有著手去做像最近只有10月份嘉義科大延期一個公安又死掉10月13號桃園的中游三街也有人死掉11月12號新北市第二行政也是有人死掉\n\n04:02.981 --> 04:23.386\n注意我現在為什麼會這麼在乎因為雖然執行機關不是你但是不要忘了公共工程有關的你都一定要去管所以在這整個合約的部分你特別特別要去規範像這些東西所以我還是再次拜託主委\n\n04:24.554 --> 04:30.037\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算\n\n04:40.982 --> 05:05.197\n我希望主委將心比心這個部分刻不容緩盡快去規劃如何去聯合勞動部、勞研署這裡要做一個橫向聯繫的來動作所以我剛才已經舉例了不能管理無成效然後一直在說你們有在做注意我坦白跟你說\n\n05:06.098 --> 05:12.117\n我對你是非常尊重的所以基本上該做的就要去做這個你做的到了為什麼不做\n\n05:13.441 --> 05:41.131\n這個報告委員那我們會除了剛才我所說的因為你已經答應過我了對你已經答應過我了好另外就是派駐勞工的薪資強制化這個你也答應了這個你也做得到啊合約寫得很清楚就可以OK啦所以主委我也要拜託你勞工很可憐的我們上週會議已經決定修改範本要求派駐勞工薪水OK\n\n05:42.111 --> 06:10.379\nOK所以這注意這我也要拜託你這個馬上要執行這是一個公平跟保障勞工的一個權利另外一個注意我就要提醒一下台電工程引用移工這個問題你們可能還是要去注意不管怎麼樣台電是國營事業所以在這個部分我也希望公共工程\n\n06:11.960 --> 06:31.548\n委員會還是要準備在整個監督方面這個移工過來其實尤其台電他是危險性非常高的所以我要拜託我們主委在這個部分可能要真的還是要去注意一下是好最後就是預算的問題\n\n06:33.320 --> 06:45.717\n預算的問題我不曉得我那個那個我們你們的處長來來會計室的處長來幫忙幫忙主委一下因為這個太細可能主委不太了解來預算書的問題\n\n06:49.582 --> 06:57.909\n我請問一下114年你們的預算書的第17頁的預算針對你們的預算喔針對公共工程的法規部分分別為推動政府採購華澤等等這三項的東西為什麼要去重疊去編列409萬\n\n07:16.291 --> 07:34.580\n我跟你講主委不會那麼了解那麼細但是很不幸的現在我們本委員會的立法委員在看預算都非常看得非常細所以主委你可能要去為什麼同樣的名稱會編列409萬這個第一另外一個就是\n\n07:39.682 --> 08:05.732\n主委可能這個談起來主委可能一定要去注意我們預算114年度的預算第12頁的工作計畫第三項也就是公共工程所有的列管數據記載喔注意我們的列管我們的列管是7879億\n\n08:10.475 --> 08:21.078\n我們公共工程但是卓院長在我們院會報告他的列管數據是6190億這裡面就差了1687億\n\n08:30.339 --> 08:52.952\n主委你現在聽得懂我的意思嗎就是我們公共工程委員會他的數據跟行政院長卓院長在院會裡面報告的數據是對不起來的這原因是什麼所以我還是希望主委這當然你得要等他查一下我不希望卓院長講一套\n\n08:54.272 --> 09:15.361\n陳主委講一套這樣的話我們在審預算到底要聽誰的所以我剛才所說明的這些預算我要拜託你們要解釋清楚不然審預算我跟你講我產生錯覺我砍預算你們不能怪我因為我一向很支持你們的欸\n\n09:16.221 --> 09:40.222\n所以我提出這幾點我希望主委要去督促首屬各負責的單位一定要去做包括勞工薪資這等等公安的問題另外一個剛才我講了該校正的還是要校正因為不能卓院長講一套你陳主委講一套這樣對不起來會被罵\n\n09:45.466 --> 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