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00:01:57,464\n目前這部分好像我們沒有接受到民眾這邊對於那個川普這個事件的一個檢舉\n\n7\n00:01:59,349 --> 00:02:23,985\n沒有檢舉所以就不用罰。好謝謝你那這第二個我甚至這樣講我如果記得沒有錯這個言論是來自MSNBC那MSNBC已經逐漸喪失了他的公信度他的可信度也就是說這句話已經不是從當單純純從川普手上講來而且現在已經被各大美國主流媒體所引用\n\n8\n00:02:24,625 --> 00:02:48,905\n那如果那我就很好奇引申到另外一個問題假新聞假消息不是只有台灣才有但是如果當國外的假消息傳到台灣的時候那NCC身為國家通訊委員會你該如何保護中華民國台灣的利益是那個跟委員報告同樣的就根據接續上次的上一個問題\n\n9\n00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,861\n通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會\n\n10\n00:03:22,589 --> 00:03:48,266\n我個人的初步的看法是那其實那未來如果像這樣的事情我希望可以盡量杜絕因為我們知道假消息不是只有在台灣國內裡面會有而全世界的假消息其實充斥了很多那如何把外媒傳進來的傳進來有關歧視甚至是有關有傷害有傷害本國利益的言論我們應該第一時間來去做制止\n\n11\n00:03:48,706 --> 00:04:10,781\n那這方面來講不只我本席建議不只要如果要有罰則之外而且還要有時間的查證要查證要更嚴謹不然的話像這樣的事情這出幾次誤導外交部就不用幹了那個跟委員報告其實這也就是為什麼我們在我們的預算裡面會在編列對於媒體素養這個加強也就是所有媒體從業人員我們都定期\n\n12\n00:04:13,716 --> 00:04:35,867\n邀請他們來本會加強訓練,特別是在內容以及一些查證的技術上面。好,針對這一點來講的話,其實我們講到最源頭,因為其實台灣Plus這件事情出來的時候當然獲得我們全國民眾高度的關注。那本席跟我們幾位委員們也實質上去看過台灣Plus裡面的內容。\n\n13\n00:04:38,088 --> 00:05:04,623\n嚴格講起來非常的偏頗不管是在國際新聞上面還是在國內新聞上面報導的篇幅報導的頻率跟內容其實都相當的偏頗而且如果說我們台灣台灣plus的這個模仿對象是韓國的阿里郎TV那很明顯的他並沒有辦法讓國外的好朋友因為看過台灣plus而對台灣有任何的吸引力\n\n14\n00:05:05,903 --> 00:05:23,156\n這點其實是我們覺得是我是覺得非常糟糕的一點那請問這一點針對這台灣plus的這個績效不彰或者甚至那個目的目的偏移這件事情NCC有沒有什麼有沒有什麼採取什麼措施因為因為這個台灣plus是公共電視那邊所自播的\n\n15\n00:05:23,516 --> 00:05:40,504\n公共電視NCC就不用監督了嗎?要,但是主要的因為他委員談到的是他如何去去制播的這個問題那就涉及到那個他的這個我順便問一下你這一億九千萬裡面有70%是給地方地方政府跟捐贈公視計畫那我問更細一點70%裡面有多少是公視的?\n\n16\n00:05:45,115 --> 00:06:09,431\n報告委員那個有限廣播電視基金它是那個系統業者的每年的營收的百分之一我只想知道公視的補助公視佔百分之正裡面基金的百分之三十是依法撥付的所以我們每一年大概都百分正裡面基金的百分之三十都依法撥付給公視那至於公視是用在哪裡和他們的用途我們待會請他說明\n\n17\n00:06:12,212 --> 00:06:37,146\n我會正式提出來我會正式提出來而且不得挪用因為這一點來講公視其實公視如果他存在的目的已經損害到國家利益的話實質上實質上我沒有我我我我問政從來不預設立場但是你叫你叫一個美國即將當選的總統當選人說他是felonythat'saverysharpcuethat'saveryheavyaccuse\n\n18\n00:06:38,431 --> 00:06:40,433\n這是笑到真的是一笑國際大方所以說這點來講我建議這個案子裡面預算要全部刪除\n\n19\n00:06:48,635 --> 00:07:10,418\n那好這一點我已經保明我的立場那我會再正式提出來我會再正式預算的時候提出來因為他這個是有限電視法的規定就是要撥付這麼多的比例給公共電視那我只能有限電視法的比例是一回事他有沒有保護我們國家的利益有沒有對我們全民造成造成良性的影響如果沒有的話\n\n20\n00:07:11,969 --> 00:07:13,852\n還是我會堅持我的邏輯思維。好,謝謝王祖密。請陳珠瑋上台。謝謝。\n\n21\n00:07:26,247 --> 00:07:48,840\n委員長主委我想請教到目前為止針對基隆的風災那目前的因為我知道說基隆的預算這個有關災害的預算已經用完了甚至說基隆市政府國家市長特地跟我提說我們還有短缺6億的缺口那我想因為那時候行政院卓議院長也特地麻煩公共工程委員會陳主委這邊來去做這個整個後面災後的這個金額的幫忙\n\n22\n00:07:53,924 --> 00:07:55,088\n我想請問目前整個的狀況是為何?\n\n23\n00:07:58,568 --> 00:08:23,053\n報告委員,委員對基隆的風災受損也非常關注所以曾經現勘過一次,工程會派員參與目前基隆市政府所提出來的需求在11月21比較關於教育部分的已經同意已經審核通過另外一部分在12月3會繼續審查我相信我們會盡速來完成這個審查\n\n24\n00:08:25,754 --> 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01:22.060\n是,是這樣子,就是首先請問針對委員的那個詢問在市場的那部分是我們有限電視法裡面規定就是說就我們的這個基金我們的市場必須要...我是說NCC本身針對把川普說是重罪犯這件事情是不是有針對這樣的事情做出罰則?\n\n01:23.903 --> 01:50.079\n是不是應該做出罰則或有沒有要做出罰則?是,是這樣,我們在我們的這個廣播電視法裡面啊,裡面有一個違反工序良俗違反法律強制禁止規定,有這樣的一個條件。所以有沒有要罰?目前我們只要接受到,目前有沒有民眾?目前在文化部那邊啊,在就...NCC應該是管這些風騷滿歧視言論的第一單位吧?怎麼會都調到文化部過去了呢?\n\n01:52.220 --> 01:57.464\n目前這部分好像我們沒有接受到民眾這邊對於那個川普這個事件的一個檢舉\n\n01:59.349 --> 02:23.985\n沒有檢舉所以就不用罰。好謝謝你那這第二個我甚至這樣講我如果記得沒有錯這個言論是來自MSNBC那MSNBC已經逐漸喪失了他的公信度他的可信度也就是說這句話已經不是從當單純純從川普手上講來而且現在已經被各大美國主流媒體所引用\n\n02:24.625 --> 02:48.905\n那如果那我就很好奇引申到另外一個問題假新聞假消息不是只有台灣才有但是如果當國外的假消息傳到台灣的時候那NCC身為國家通訊委員會你該如何保護中華民國台灣的利益是那個跟委員報告同樣的就根據接續上次的上一個問題\n\n02:51.400 --> 02:53.861\n通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會通訊傳播委員會\n\n03:22.589 --> 03:48.266\n我個人的初步的看法是那其實那未來如果像這樣的事情我希望可以盡量杜絕因為我們知道假消息不是只有在台灣國內裡面會有而全世界的假消息其實充斥了很多那如何把外媒傳進來的傳進來有關歧視甚至是有關有傷害有傷害本國利益的言論我們應該第一時間來去做制止\n\n03:48.706 --> 04:10.781\n那這方面來講不只我本席建議不只要如果要有罰則之外而且還要有時間的查證要查證要更嚴謹不然的話像這樣的事情這出幾次誤導外交部就不用幹了那個跟委員報告其實這也就是為什麼我們在我們的預算裡面會在編列對於媒體素養這個加強也就是所有媒體從業人員我們都定期\n\n04:13.716 --> 04:35.867\n邀請他們來本會加強訓練,特別是在內容以及一些查證的技術上面。好,針對這一點來講的話,其實我們講到最源頭,因為其實台灣Plus這件事情出來的時候當然獲得我們全國民眾高度的關注。那本席跟我們幾位委員們也實質上去看過台灣Plus裡面的內容。\n\n04:38.088 --> 05:04.623\n嚴格講起來非常的偏頗不管是在國際新聞上面還是在國內新聞上面報導的篇幅報導的頻率跟內容其實都相當的偏頗而且如果說我們台灣台灣plus的這個模仿對象是韓國的阿里郎TV那很明顯的他並沒有辦法讓國外的好朋友因為看過台灣plus而對台灣有任何的吸引力\n\n05:05.903 --> 05:23.156\n這點其實是我們覺得是我是覺得非常糟糕的一點那請問這一點針對這台灣plus的這個績效不彰或者甚至那個目的目的偏移這件事情NCC有沒有什麼有沒有什麼採取什麼措施因為因為這個台灣plus是公共電視那邊所自播的\n\n05:23.516 --> 05:40.504\n公共電視NCC就不用監督了嗎?要,但是主要的因為他委員談到的是他如何去去制播的這個問題那就涉及到那個他的這個我順便問一下你這一億九千萬裡面有70%是給地方地方政府跟捐贈公視計畫那我問更細一點70%裡面有多少是公視的?\n\n05:45.115 --> 06:09.431\n報告委員那個有限廣播電視基金它是那個系統業者的每年的營收的百分之一我只想知道公視的補助公視佔百分之正裡面基金的百分之三十是依法撥付的所以我們每一年大概都百分正裡面基金的百分之三十都依法撥付給公視那至於公視是用在哪裡和他們的用途我們待會請他說明\n\n06:12.212 --> 06:37.146\n我會正式提出來我會正式提出來而且不得挪用因為這一點來講公視其實公視如果他存在的目的已經損害到國家利益的話實質上實質上我沒有我我我我問政從來不預設立場但是你叫你叫一個美國即將當選的總統當選人說他是felonythat'saverysharpcuethat'saveryheavyaccuse\n\n06:38.431 --> 06:40.433\n這是笑到真的是一笑國際大方所以說這點來講我建議這個案子裡面預算要全部刪除\n\n06:48.635 --> 07:10.418\n那好這一點我已經保明我的立場那我會再正式提出來我會再正式預算的時候提出來因為他這個是有限電視法的規定就是要撥付這麼多的比例給公共電視那我只能有限電視法的比例是一回事他有沒有保護我們國家的利益有沒有對我們全民造成造成良性的影響如果沒有的話\n\n07:11.969 --> 07:13.852\n還是我會堅持我的邏輯思維。好,謝謝王祖密。請陳珠瑋上台。謝謝。\n\n07:26.247 --> 07:48.840\n委員長主委我想請教到目前為止針對基隆的風災那目前的因為我知道說基隆的預算這個有關災害的預算已經用完了甚至說基隆市政府國家市長特地跟我提說我們還有短缺6億的缺口那我想因為那時候行政院卓議院長也特地麻煩公共工程委員會陳主委這邊來去做這個整個後面災後的這個金額的幫忙\n\n07:53.924 --> 07:55.088\n我想請問目前整個的狀況是為何?\n\n07:58.568 --> 08:23.053\n報告委員,委員對基隆的風災受損也非常關注所以曾經現勘過一次,工程會派員參與目前基隆市政府所提出來的需求在11月21比較關於教育部分的已經同意已經審核通過另外一部分在12月3會繼續審查我相信我們會盡速來完成這個審查\n\n08:25.754 --> 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