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00:00:38,445\n一般就是有的民眾可能就是說對於這個簡訊有時候不小心可能就是好奇點進去看了就是誤入這個簡訊中的短網址或者是這個電話號碼結果就會造成了他的這個個資或者是財產的一個損失遭到詐騙那這種這個詐騙的簡訊或者是說其他人用詐騙的手法真的是目前非常的猖獗也讓民眾真的是深惡痛絕\n\n4\n00:01:01,531 --> 00:01:17,374\n那在今年就是為了要宣示這個打詐的決心所以行政院在今年5月就是我們立法院也通過了這個打詐專法詐欺犯罪危害防治條例然後也修改了這個洗錢防治法科技偵查\n\n5\n00:01:18,235 --> 00:01:20,336\n及保障法通訊保障及監察法打詐新釋法。當然就是說這個法令通過之後各主管機關當然就是要針對跟自己主管相關的這個權責的部分去訂定這個打詐的加強的一個措施。那剛剛本席有提到這個詐騙檢訊的部分\n\n6\n00:01:39,803 --> 00:01:44,988\n從我們資料上看起來從今年的1月到10月仍然有40萬余折的這個惡意簡訊被發送所以這個真的是蠻氾濫的那本席想請教一下就是說目前我們NCC針對這個惡意簡訊的部分我們有什麼具體的措施來防止\n\n7\n00:02:00,143 --> 00:02:25,334\n謝謝委員的這個題目因為這題目其實問得很好因為幾乎我們國人我們家裡面其實包含我們自己都會常常接到這樣的一個簡訊所以我們從去年開始我們一系列的從簡訊帶發業者從電信業者的他的這個發送以及最後我們個人屬於個人的部分的這個發送我們都要予以明確的規定說你必須要符合一定的規定之後我才准許你發送\n\n8\n00:02:25,954 --> 00:02:47,152\n特別是說過去我們有就是說大家懷疑說是不是因為它是所謂的秘密通信的範圍所以我們也不應該檢查裡面的內容那就這一部分我們也透過行政解釋要求所有電信業者你在發送之前所有的內容你都必須要確保裡面不可以有詐騙的內容特別是說剛才委員您所提到的\n\n9\n00:02:48,313 --> 00:03:07,266\n短網址以及電話號碼部分這一部分如果假設要發送可以你必須要在擺名單的範圍之內同時你的內容是必須要經過檢視的至於一般使用者如果假設你超過50折的部分的話你超過50折你必須要先取得電信事業凡你認定為擺名單之後你才可以超過50折\n\n10\n00:03:08,627 --> 00:03:28,442\n假設你沒有經過電訊事業的認證而有超過50則部分那這份我們會暫時停止你的電訊服務要求業者再做進一步的KYC這一系列的執行成果我們大概聽不同人講說我們的11月份好像目前已經就簡訊部分已經沒有通報有詐騙的情形\n\n11\n00:03:31,107 --> 00:03:53,340\n我們是從11月18號開始就是實施我們NCC是宣布從這個11月18號實施這樣子的一個新的商業簡訊要預先審核登錄的一個規定那就主委你回覆說這樣子10天短短10天目前都沒有了現在有沒有就商業簡訊部分\n\n12\n00:03:57,116 --> 00:04:21,514\n委員好,就針對因為165這邊每個月會送這個社詐的簡訊的內容的部分到通傳會來。是。那個人的部分就是只要是那個簡訊社詐的部分,它實際上從今年的5月開始是逐步下降。是。那一直到10月份給我們的資料的時候,這個社詐的簡訊裡面10月份是零件。想報告。這邊是屬於商業簡訊的部分。\n\n13\n00:04:22,174 --> 00:04:38,313\n那屬於個人簡訊部分當然還是有因為個人簡訊部分因為我們還有還是有50則但是你只要是個人簡訊部分你只要被通報你的這個電話號碼有射炸嫌疑的話那這部分的話我們就會開始會持續關注然後可能會進一步的把你把你就是個射炸的這個電話號碼我們會與你終止電信服務\n\n14\n00:04:41,444 --> 00:04:44,767\n商業簡訊這部分因為最主要是說目前的話商業簡訊這一塊大概有有屬於業者自己發送電信業者另外有一部分是屬於簡訊代發業者所發送的\n\n15\n00:05:04,721 --> 00:05:25,308\n在再發業者這部分我會要求電信事業你必須要跟要求你下游的這個電信再發業者你的這些內容呢要嘛就是透過透過他電信業者來過濾要嘛就是就是就是那個簡訊再發業者也就是像類似像三足這樣的一個企業你自己內部必須必須要有這樣的一個有過濾機制\n\n16\n00:05:26,448 --> 00:05:30,090\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n17\n00:05:44,136 --> 00:06:04,943\n主秘說明,本席要肯定我們ACC在這部分的一個努力。事實上我們ACC主管的這些業務都是跟民眾的民生都是息息相關,跟我們的生活就是這個詐騙的一個防堵。那另外本席再來關心一下有關這個就是有關\n\n18\n00:06:06,323 --> 00:06:07,324\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n19\n00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,340\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n20\n00:06:46,900 --> 00:07:09,434\n所以後來我們本席跟宗教兵委員會針對這個召開了一個記者會我們也要求說要把這個部分來納管就是說就是要納管IASP這個部分那本席在這邊請教一下主秘就是在法令還沒有修法通過之前這個算是一個空窗期那我們NCC能夠有什麼樣的作為\n\n21\n00:07:10,995 --> 00:07:26,426\n根委員報告目前我大概檢視了我們目前國內的各項法律包含兒少法、兒少法甚至像我們一般行政法令裡面其實大概大部分的大致上都已經有相關條文叫做攔網或者是遮蔽或者是封網或是攔阻這樣一個機制這樣一個機制的話實際上是涉及到說你後端如何去執行的問題\n\n22\n00:07:33,951 --> 00:08:02,307\n那剛剛委員有特別提到那個目前上以黃子嬌事件那邊所產生的通訊私訪那個事件那有一個那個我們有線電視部分我們已經在第一時間在一個月內我們已經要求所有的這些有線電視業者那不管你是你是自己有自己有建構那個那個DNS的這個這個結譯軟體或者是說或者是說你是透過你的上游那這邊我們已經\n\n23\n00:08:03,528 --> 00:08:04,208\n委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n24\n00:08:20,416 --> 00:08:35,594\n那個那個要想辦法要納入管理那這部分我們目前我們已經有召開那個三次這個電信法修法會議那那個相關的這些條文我們大概有有一些初步的構想那至於後續的這個政策影響評估跟法制影響評估我們再更新再進行\n\n25\n00:08:36,573 --> 00:08:37,734\n司法局局長\n\n26\n00:08:57,706 --> 00:08:58,126\n通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n\n27\n00:09:14,933 --> 00:09:15,314\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n28\n00:09:35,169 --> 00:09:57,666\n已經先移除了所以這樣子的一個狀況都是影響到民眾的一個民生包括火車站這個售票員他們要就是要售票也一樣受到影響這個真的是影響蠻大的那這個部分我們有就是說有沒有可能用行動基地台先去支援一下\n\n29\n00:09:58,647 --> 00:10:24,849\n這一部分先協調我們的業者先用行動基地台部分先來處理後續的話我們也看看附近有沒有更適當的地點不管是公有的或私有的我們會跟業者一起來努力來短期內解決這個問題是就是說當然有些人對這個基地台是會有一些疑慮可是沒有基地台的時候才會發現很多生活上還是會造成很大的一個不便跟影響我們盡力服務是好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1969\t5256\t謝謝主席。請主席邀請NCC黃祖密。請NCC。\n15110\t29602\t主秘早本席來關心一下有關這個詐騙的目前跟我們NCC相關的一些措施那我們知道因為其實本席也是會常常接到那個簡訊就是陌生的簡訊然後他\n32984\t38445\t一般就是有的民眾可能就是說對於這個簡訊有時候不小心可能就是好奇點進去看了就是誤入這個簡訊中的短網址或者是這個電話號碼結果就會造成了他的這個個資或者是財產的一個損失遭到詐騙那這種這個詐騙的簡訊或者是說其他人用詐騙的手法真的是目前非常的猖獗也讓民眾真的是深惡痛絕\n61531\t77374\t那在今年就是為了要宣示這個打詐的決心所以行政院在今年5月就是我們立法院也通過了這個打詐專法詐欺犯罪危害防治條例然後也修改了這個洗錢防治法科技偵查\n78235\t80336\t及保障法通訊保障及監察法打詐新釋法。當然就是說這個法令通過之後各主管機關當然就是要針對跟自己主管相關的這個權責的部分去訂定這個打詐的加強的一個措施。那剛剛本席有提到這個詐騙檢訊的部分\n99803\t104988\t從我們資料上看起來從今年的1月到10月仍然有40萬余折的這個惡意簡訊被發送所以這個真的是蠻氾濫的那本席想請教一下就是說目前我們NCC針對這個惡意簡訊的部分我們有什麼具體的措施來防止\n120143\t145334\t謝謝委員的這個題目因為這題目其實問得很好因為幾乎我們國人我們家裡面其實包含我們自己都會常常接到這樣的一個簡訊所以我們從去年開始我們一系列的從簡訊帶發業者從電信業者的他的這個發送以及最後我們個人屬於個人的部分的這個發送我們都要予以明確的規定說你必須要符合一定的規定之後我才准許你發送\n145954\t167152\t特別是說過去我們有就是說大家懷疑說是不是因為它是所謂的秘密通信的範圍所以我們也不應該檢查裡面的內容那就這一部分我們也透過行政解釋要求所有電信業者你在發送之前所有的內容你都必須要確保裡面不可以有詐騙的內容特別是說剛才委員您所提到的\n168313\t187266\t短網址以及電話號碼部分這一部分如果假設要發送可以你必須要在擺名單的範圍之內同時你的內容是必須要經過檢視的至於一般使用者如果假設你超過50折的部分的話你超過50折你必須要先取得電信事業凡你認定為擺名單之後你才可以超過50折\n188627\t208442\t假設你沒有經過電訊事業的認證而有超過50則部分那這份我們會暫時停止你的電訊服務要求業者再做進一步的KYC這一系列的執行成果我們大概聽不同人講說我們的11月份好像目前已經就簡訊部分已經沒有通報有詐騙的情形\n211107\t233340\t我們是從11月18號開始就是實施我們NCC是宣布從這個11月18號實施這樣子的一個新的商業簡訊要預先審核登錄的一個規定那就主委你回覆說這樣子10天短短10天目前都沒有了現在有沒有就商業簡訊部分\n237116\t261514\t委員好,就針對因為165這邊每個月會送這個社詐的簡訊的內容的部分到通傳會來。是。那個人的部分就是只要是那個簡訊社詐的部分,它實際上從今年的5月開始是逐步下降。是。那一直到10月份給我們的資料的時候,這個社詐的簡訊裡面10月份是零件。想報告。這邊是屬於商業簡訊的部分。\n262174\t278313\t那屬於個人簡訊部分當然還是有因為個人簡訊部分因為我們還有還是有50則但是你只要是個人簡訊部分你只要被通報你的這個電話號碼有射炸嫌疑的話那這部分的話我們就會開始會持續關注然後可能會進一步的把你把你就是個射炸的這個電話號碼我們會與你終止電信服務\n281444\t284767\t商業簡訊這部分因為最主要是說目前的話商業簡訊這一塊大概有有屬於業者自己發送電信業者另外有一部分是屬於簡訊代發業者所發送的\n304721\t325308\t在再發業者這部分我會要求電信事業你必須要跟要求你下游的這個電信再發業者你的這些內容呢要嘛就是透過透過他電信業者來過濾要嘛就是就是就是那個簡訊再發業者也就是像類似像三足這樣的一個企業你自己內部必須必須要有這樣的一個有過濾機制\n326448\t330090\t關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n344136\t364943\t主秘說明,本席要肯定我們ACC在這部分的一個努力。事實上我們ACC主管的這些業務都是跟民眾的民生都是息息相關,跟我們的生活就是這個詐騙的一個防堵。那另外本席再來關心一下有關這個就是有關\n366323\t367324\t關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n387279\t388340\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n406900\t429434\t所以後來我們本席跟宗教兵委員會針對這個召開了一個記者會我們也要求說要把這個部分來納管就是說就是要納管IASP這個部分那本席在這邊請教一下主秘就是在法令還沒有修法通過之前這個算是一個空窗期那我們NCC能夠有什麼樣的作為\n430995\t446426\t根委員報告目前我大概檢視了我們目前國內的各項法律包含兒少法、兒少法甚至像我們一般行政法令裡面其實大概大部分的大致上都已經有相關條文叫做攔網或者是遮蔽或者是封網或是攔阻這樣一個機制這樣一個機制的話實際上是涉及到說你後端如何去執行的問題\n453951\t482307\t那剛剛委員有特別提到那個目前上以黃子嬌事件那邊所產生的通訊私訪那個事件那有一個那個我們有線電視部分我們已經在第一時間在一個月內我們已經要求所有的這些有線電視業者那不管你是你是自己有自己有建構那個那個DNS的這個這個結譯軟體或者是說或者是說你是透過你的上游那這邊我們已經\n483528\t484208\t委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n500416\t515594\t那個那個要想辦法要納入管理那這部分我們目前我們已經有召開那個三次這個電信法修法會議那那個相關的這些條文我們大概有有一些初步的構想那至於後續的這個政策影響評估跟法制影響評估我們再更新再進行\n516573\t517734\t司法局局長\n537706\t538126\t通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n554933\t555314\t關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管\n575169\t597666\t已經先移除了所以這樣子的一個狀況都是影響到民眾的一個民生包括火車站這個售票員他們要就是要售票也一樣受到影響這個真的是影響蠻大的那這個部分我們有就是說有沒有可能用行動基地台先去支援一下\n598647\t624849\t這一部分先協調我們的業者先用行動基地台部分先來處理後續的話我們也看看附近有沒有更適當的地點不管是公有的或私有的我們會跟業者一起來努力來短期內解決這個問題是就是說當然有些人對這個基地台是會有一些疑慮可是沒有基地台的時候才會發現很多生活上還是會造成很大的一個不便跟影響我們盡力服務是好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席。請主席邀請NCC黃祖密。請NCC。\n主秘早本席來關心一下有關這個詐騙的目前跟我們NCC相關的一些措施那我們知道因為其實本席也是會常常接到那個簡訊就是陌生的簡訊然後他\n一般就是有的民眾可能就是說對於這個簡訊有時候不小心可能就是好奇點進去看了就是誤入這個簡訊中的短網址或者是這個電話號碼結果就會造成了他的這個個資或者是財產的一個損失遭到詐騙那這種這個詐騙的簡訊或者是說其他人用詐騙的手法真的是目前非常的猖獗也讓民眾真的是深惡痛絕\n那在今年就是為了要宣示這個打詐的決心所以行政院在今年5月就是我們立法院也通過了這個打詐專法詐欺犯罪危害防治條例然後也修改了這個洗錢防治法科技偵查\n及保障法通訊保障及監察法打詐新釋法。當然就是說這個法令通過之後各主管機關當然就是要針對跟自己主管相關的這個權責的部分去訂定這個打詐的加強的一個措施。那剛剛本席有提到這個詐騙檢訊的部分\n從我們資料上看起來從今年的1月到10月仍然有40萬余折的這個惡意簡訊被發送所以這個真的是蠻氾濫的那本席想請教一下就是說目前我們NCC針對這個惡意簡訊的部分我們有什麼具體的措施來防止\n謝謝委員的這個題目因為這題目其實問得很好因為幾乎我們國人我們家裡面其實包含我們自己都會常常接到這樣的一個簡訊所以我們從去年開始我們一系列的從簡訊帶發業者從電信業者的他的這個發送以及最後我們個人屬於個人的部分的這個發送我們都要予以明確的規定說你必須要符合一定的規定之後我才准許你發送\n特別是說過去我們有就是說大家懷疑說是不是因為它是所謂的秘密通信的範圍所以我們也不應該檢查裡面的內容那就這一部分我們也透過行政解釋要求所有電信業者你在發送之前所有的內容你都必須要確保裡面不可以有詐騙的內容特別是說剛才委員您所提到的\n短網址以及電話號碼部分這一部分如果假設要發送可以你必須要在擺名單的範圍之內同時你的內容是必須要經過檢視的至於一般使用者如果假設你超過50折的部分的話你超過50折你必須要先取得電信事業凡你認定為擺名單之後你才可以超過50折\n假設你沒有經過電訊事業的認證而有超過50則部分那這份我們會暫時停止你的電訊服務要求業者再做進一步的KYC這一系列的執行成果我們大概聽不同人講說我們的11月份好像目前已經就簡訊部分已經沒有通報有詐騙的情形\n我們是從11月18號開始就是實施我們NCC是宣布從這個11月18號實施這樣子的一個新的商業簡訊要預先審核登錄的一個規定那就主委你回覆說這樣子10天短短10天目前都沒有了現在有沒有就商業簡訊部分\n委員好,就針對因為165這邊每個月會送這個社詐的簡訊的內容的部分到通傳會來。是。那個人的部分就是只要是那個簡訊社詐的部分,它實際上從今年的5月開始是逐步下降。是。那一直到10月份給我們的資料的時候,這個社詐的簡訊裡面10月份是零件。想報告。這邊是屬於商業簡訊的部分。\n那屬於個人簡訊部分當然還是有因為個人簡訊部分因為我們還有還是有50則但是你只要是個人簡訊部分你只要被通報你的這個電話號碼有射炸嫌疑的話那這部分的話我們就會開始會持續關注然後可能會進一步的把你把你就是個射炸的這個電話號碼我們會與你終止電信服務\n商業簡訊這部分因為最主要是說目前的話商業簡訊這一塊大概有有屬於業者自己發送電信業者另外有一部分是屬於簡訊代發業者所發送的\n在再發業者這部分我會要求電信事業你必須要跟要求你下游的這個電信再發業者你的這些內容呢要嘛就是透過透過他電信業者來過濾要嘛就是就是就是那個簡訊再發業者也就是像類似像三足這樣的一個企業你自己內部必須必須要有這樣的一個有過濾機制\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n主秘說明,本席要肯定我們ACC在這部分的一個努力。事實上我們ACC主管的這些業務都是跟民眾的民生都是息息相關,跟我們的生活就是這個詐騙的一個防堵。那另外本席再來關心一下有關這個就是有關\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n所以後來我們本席跟宗教兵委員會針對這個召開了一個記者會我們也要求說要把這個部分來納管就是說就是要納管IASP這個部分那本席在這邊請教一下主秘就是在法令還沒有修法通過之前這個算是一個空窗期那我們NCC能夠有什麼樣的作為\n根委員報告目前我大概檢視了我們目前國內的各項法律包含兒少法、兒少法甚至像我們一般行政法令裡面其實大概大部分的大致上都已經有相關條文叫做攔網或者是遮蔽或者是封網或是攔阻這樣一個機制這樣一個機制的話實際上是涉及到說你後端如何去執行的問題\n那剛剛委員有特別提到那個目前上以黃子嬌事件那邊所產生的通訊私訪那個事件那有一個那個我們有線電視部分我們已經在第一時間在一個月內我們已經要求所有的這些有線電視業者那不管你是你是自己有自己有建構那個那個DNS的這個這個結譯軟體或者是說或者是說你是透過你的上游那這邊我們已經\n委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n那個那個要想辦法要納入管理那這部分我們目前我們已經有召開那個三次這個電信法修法會議那那個相關的這些條文我們大概有有一些初步的構想那至於後續的這個政策影響評估跟法制影響評估我們再更新再進行\n司法局局長\n通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管\n已經先移除了所以這樣子的一個狀況都是影響到民眾的一個民生包括火車站這個售票員他們要就是要售票也一樣受到影響這個真的是影響蠻大的那這個部分我們有就是說有沒有可能用行動基地台先去支援一下\n這一部分先協調我們的業者先用行動基地台部分先來處理後續的話我們也看看附近有沒有更適當的地點不管是公有的或私有的我們會跟業者一起來努力來短期內解決這個問題是就是說當然有些人對這個基地台是會有一些疑慮可是沒有基地台的時候才會發現很多生活上還是會造成很大的一個不便跟影響我們盡力服務是好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.969 --> 00:05.256\n謝謝主席。請主席邀請NCC黃祖密。請NCC。\n\n00:15.110 --> 00:29.602\n主秘早本席來關心一下有關這個詐騙的目前跟我們NCC相關的一些措施那我們知道因為其實本席也是會常常接到那個簡訊就是陌生的簡訊然後他\n\n00:32.984 --> 00:38.445\n一般就是有的民眾可能就是說對於這個簡訊有時候不小心可能就是好奇點進去看了就是誤入這個簡訊中的短網址或者是這個電話號碼結果就會造成了他的這個個資或者是財產的一個損失遭到詐騙那這種這個詐騙的簡訊或者是說其他人用詐騙的手法真的是目前非常的猖獗也讓民眾真的是深惡痛絕\n\n01:01.531 --> 01:17.374\n那在今年就是為了要宣示這個打詐的決心所以行政院在今年5月就是我們立法院也通過了這個打詐專法詐欺犯罪危害防治條例然後也修改了這個洗錢防治法科技偵查\n\n01:18.235 --> 01:20.336\n及保障法通訊保障及監察法打詐新釋法。當然就是說這個法令通過之後各主管機關當然就是要針對跟自己主管相關的這個權責的部分去訂定這個打詐的加強的一個措施。那剛剛本席有提到這個詐騙檢訊的部分\n\n01:39.803 --> 01:44.988\n從我們資料上看起來從今年的1月到10月仍然有40萬余折的這個惡意簡訊被發送所以這個真的是蠻氾濫的那本席想請教一下就是說目前我們NCC針對這個惡意簡訊的部分我們有什麼具體的措施來防止\n\n02:00.143 --> 02:25.334\n謝謝委員的這個題目因為這題目其實問得很好因為幾乎我們國人我們家裡面其實包含我們自己都會常常接到這樣的一個簡訊所以我們從去年開始我們一系列的從簡訊帶發業者從電信業者的他的這個發送以及最後我們個人屬於個人的部分的這個發送我們都要予以明確的規定說你必須要符合一定的規定之後我才准許你發送\n\n02:25.954 --> 02:47.152\n特別是說過去我們有就是說大家懷疑說是不是因為它是所謂的秘密通信的範圍所以我們也不應該檢查裡面的內容那就這一部分我們也透過行政解釋要求所有電信業者你在發送之前所有的內容你都必須要確保裡面不可以有詐騙的內容特別是說剛才委員您所提到的\n\n02:48.313 --> 03:07.266\n短網址以及電話號碼部分這一部分如果假設要發送可以你必須要在擺名單的範圍之內同時你的內容是必須要經過檢視的至於一般使用者如果假設你超過50折的部分的話你超過50折你必須要先取得電信事業凡你認定為擺名單之後你才可以超過50折\n\n03:08.627 --> 03:28.442\n假設你沒有經過電訊事業的認證而有超過50則部分那這份我們會暫時停止你的電訊服務要求業者再做進一步的KYC這一系列的執行成果我們大概聽不同人講說我們的11月份好像目前已經就簡訊部分已經沒有通報有詐騙的情形\n\n03:31.107 --> 03:53.340\n我們是從11月18號開始就是實施我們NCC是宣布從這個11月18號實施這樣子的一個新的商業簡訊要預先審核登錄的一個規定那就主委你回覆說這樣子10天短短10天目前都沒有了現在有沒有就商業簡訊部分\n\n03:57.116 --> 04:21.514\n委員好,就針對因為165這邊每個月會送這個社詐的簡訊的內容的部分到通傳會來。是。那個人的部分就是只要是那個簡訊社詐的部分,它實際上從今年的5月開始是逐步下降。是。那一直到10月份給我們的資料的時候,這個社詐的簡訊裡面10月份是零件。想報告。這邊是屬於商業簡訊的部分。\n\n04:22.174 --> 04:38.313\n那屬於個人簡訊部分當然還是有因為個人簡訊部分因為我們還有還是有50則但是你只要是個人簡訊部分你只要被通報你的這個電話號碼有射炸嫌疑的話那這部分的話我們就會開始會持續關注然後可能會進一步的把你把你就是個射炸的這個電話號碼我們會與你終止電信服務\n\n04:41.444 --> 04:44.767\n商業簡訊這部分因為最主要是說目前的話商業簡訊這一塊大概有有屬於業者自己發送電信業者另外有一部分是屬於簡訊代發業者所發送的\n\n05:04.721 --> 05:25.308\n在再發業者這部分我會要求電信事業你必須要跟要求你下游的這個電信再發業者你的這些內容呢要嘛就是透過透過他電信業者來過濾要嘛就是就是就是那個簡訊再發業者也就是像類似像三足這樣的一個企業你自己內部必須必須要有這樣的一個有過濾機制\n\n05:26.448 --> 05:30.090\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n05:44.136 --> 06:04.943\n主秘說明,本席要肯定我們ACC在這部分的一個努力。事實上我們ACC主管的這些業務都是跟民眾的民生都是息息相關,跟我們的生活就是這個詐騙的一個防堵。那另外本席再來關心一下有關這個就是有關\n\n06:06.323 --> 06:07.324\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n06:27.279 --> 06:28.340\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:46.900 --> 07:09.434\n所以後來我們本席跟宗教兵委員會針對這個召開了一個記者會我們也要求說要把這個部分來納管就是說就是要納管IASP這個部分那本席在這邊請教一下主秘就是在法令還沒有修法通過之前這個算是一個空窗期那我們NCC能夠有什麼樣的作為\n\n07:10.995 --> 07:26.426\n根委員報告目前我大概檢視了我們目前國內的各項法律包含兒少法、兒少法甚至像我們一般行政法令裡面其實大概大部分的大致上都已經有相關條文叫做攔網或者是遮蔽或者是封網或是攔阻這樣一個機制這樣一個機制的話實際上是涉及到說你後端如何去執行的問題\n\n07:33.951 --> 08:02.307\n那剛剛委員有特別提到那個目前上以黃子嬌事件那邊所產生的通訊私訪那個事件那有一個那個我們有線電視部分我們已經在第一時間在一個月內我們已經要求所有的這些有線電視業者那不管你是你是自己有自己有建構那個那個DNS的這個這個結譯軟體或者是說或者是說你是透過你的上游那這邊我們已經\n\n08:03.528 --> 08:04.208\n委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n08:20.416 --> 08:35.594\n那個那個要想辦法要納入管理那這部分我們目前我們已經有召開那個三次這個電信法修法會議那那個相關的這些條文我們大概有有一些初步的構想那至於後續的這個政策影響評估跟法制影響評估我們再更新再進行\n\n08:36.573 --> 08:37.734\n司法局局長\n\n08:57.706 --> 08:58.126\n通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n\n09:14.933 --> 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會進一步終止這個涉詐電話號碼的電信服務。"],["陳委員素月：是，是不是可以請主秘再說明一下，你們剛剛說到的商業簡訊白名單的機制？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：是，在商業簡訊這部分，最主要是目前商業簡訊這一塊有屬於電信業者自己發送的，另外有一部分是屬於簡訊代發業者所發送的，在代發業者這部分，我們會要求電信事業必須要要求下游的電信代發業者，內容要嘛是透過電信業者來過濾，要嘛就是簡訊代發業者，類似像三竹這樣的企業，內部必須要有過濾機制，這些過濾機制當然不會無端的去攔阻它，所有的不管是運用AI也罷，運用人工也罷，都必須要審視過，內容部分在發送之前一定要先看過。"],["陳委員素月：是，謝謝主秘的說明，在這邊本席要肯定NCC在這部分的努力。"],["黃主任秘書文哲：謝謝委員。"],["陳委員素月：事實上，NCC主管的業務都跟民生息息相關，跟我們的生活，詐騙的防堵。","另外，本席再來關心一下有關兒少性剝削影像的部分，在黃子佼事件爆發以後牽扯出創意私房這樣的色情網站，當時也有初步下架、封網，可是事後我們發現封網還是有漏洞，原來這個漏洞就是有一些二類電信業者提供網際網路接取服務，仍然可以讓一些使用者透過這樣的提供去瀏覽這些網站。後來本席跟鍾佳濱委員也針對這個召開了一個記者會，要求要把這個部分納管，就是將IASP納管，本席在這邊請教一下主秘，在法令還沒有修正通過之前算是一個空窗期，NCC能夠有什麼樣的作為？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：跟委員報告，我大概檢視了目前國內的各項法律，包含兒少法，甚至一般的行政法令，其實大部分大致上都已經有個相關的條文叫做「攔網」、「遮蔽」、「封網」或是「攔阻」這樣的機制，既然有這樣一個機制的話，事實上是涉及後端如何去執行的問題。剛才委員特別提到黃子佼事件所牽涉的創意私房事件，對有線電視部分，我們已經在第一時間，一個月內我們已經要求所有的有線電視業者，不管是自己有建構DNS的解譯軟體，或者是透過上游，這部分我們已經要求必須要有DNS 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Kacaw","楊瓊瓔","林月琴","羅智強","葉元之","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王鴻薇"],"page_start":55,"meetingDate":["2024-11-28"],"gazette_id":"11310801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310801_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會單位預算；二、審查114年度中央\n政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位\n預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算；四、審查114年度中\n央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基\n金預算；五、審查113 年度中央政府總預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案計 2 案\n（第一案至第四案僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310801_00002"}}}