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00:00:43,520\n主委好主委加政委我想能力越大責任越大那我想主委我想跟您請問一下剛剛其實各位也非常關心AI這個人工智慧基本的草案那我們要講就既然你已經是政委加主委我想接受到我們的一個關懷一定會更加強而有力因為你眾所期待那我想\n\n3\n00:00:44,881 --> 00:01:08,976\n在這個AI基本法現在已經送進行政院每個人都在問何時會送到立法院當然剛剛很多的關心那你說是明年第一會期是嗎我希望是希望所以今年年底是基本上很難那我想在法制作業的一個過程當中任何一部的法案在產出的過程行政院在審查之前都會要求各部會做這個法規的影響評估請問法規影響評估有做了嗎\n\n4\n00:01:13,126 --> 00:01:42,179\n法規的影響評估對各部會對於這個法規的影響評估法制作業都會有這樣子的一個過程那請問一下你們有做了嗎不好意思麥克風沒有收音我沒有聽到有做了有做了齁好主委剛剛沒有進入狀況齁好沒關係我們慢慢來我們希望我們今天的會談是健康的齁一起探討這個事情那這個法規這個影響評估啊會後是不是可以給教文委員會所有的委員都有一份資料呢\n\n5\n00:01:42,773 --> 00:01:44,135\n到底影響的層面有多深?主委你有聽過通用型人工智慧嗎?\n\n6\n00:01:55,023 --> 00:02:22,717\n我想通用型人工智慧就是AGI那這個多一個G啊它所代表的是一般人一樣具備意識、感性或者是知識、自覺的一個等能力跟任務型的不太一樣我個人認為有些任務型的還不是很好用只能夠幫我設置可能鬧鐘啊或者是編排一些簡單的形式、形式力那我想這個部分呢我們要特別看到通用型的人工智慧啊它並不會侷限在某個特定的一個任務上\n\n7\n00:02:23,237 --> 00:02:27,118\n及所屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關\n\n8\n00:02:43,539 --> 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00:05:37,054\n但是這個工具的準確度有時候是很難去評估我們擔心準確度我們甚至擔心他提供的東西是有問題的甚至是超過他年齡所能夠去做學習的我想根據聯合國教科文組織頒布的深圳市人工智慧在教育和研究中應用的一個指南中有指出深圳市的AI最低使用年齡是13歲部分歐洲國家甚至覺得太低了\n\n15\n00:05:37,814 --> 00:05:55,971\n提高至16歲為避免危害兒童權益及學習到接觸不自當的內容隱私的曝露還有相關的教科文組織調查全球只有不到10%擁有深層式AI相關指南請問主委我們是10%那邊還是90%那邊\n\n16\n00:06:00,676 --> 00:06:05,899\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委主委可以給我承諾嗎?我們能不能做這樣的一個教育指南?\n\n17\n00:06:22,367 --> 00:06:48,247\n這一部分我們會去研究那應該我們會跟教育部一起來合作教育部有推出中小學校長數位學習領導的一個指引喔裡面是說遵守適應、適性、適齡這樣子在課堂上不要讓13歲以下的學生喔使用深層式一般的一個AI但是課堂外呢我要點出的問題來了課堂外呢我們看起來課堂外是不是有待精進好謝謝委員提醒這一部分我們會來進行\n\n18\n00:06:49,588 --> 00:07:14,907\n我想我們看到現在很多都是口號剛剛我說的AI內閣但是台灣深層市的一個AITide我們看到都只有油門沒有煞車這個問題就是我們今天要點出的一個問題在往前衝的一個過程當中我們要有所保留我們要有所追著跑的一個技術進行也要有適當的煞車讓AI在適應的一個過程當中讓全民來做一個學習主委您認同我說的嗎認同認同\n\n19\n00:07:16,328 --> 00:07:17,449\n國科會有一個很重要職責就是管轄科技園區對吧?\n\n20\n00:07:33,985 --> 00:07:39,630\n一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度\n\n21\n00:08:00,054 --> 00:08:15,537\n三個科學都非常重要我知道你會這樣說主委當然都說很重要但我要問2023年南科的整體營業額衰退了我們看到對不起南科的整體營業額是1.58兆竹科是1.4兆中科不到1兆\n\n22\n00:08:16,690 --> 00:08:31,776\n我要提到一個問題只剩9300多億所以可以整體看到中科衰退的整體營業額是19.78請問主委心中同樣重要的科學園區為什麼科學園區的營業額成長有些卻大幅的衰落\n\n23\n00:08:32,898 --> 00:08:33,538\n因為南科現在有機體電路的一個產業穩健支撐\n\n24\n00:08:53,364 --> 00:09:07,098\n但是再回過頭來看中科如果那邊的土地用地取得現在順利的話我們現在二期已經在進行當中順利的話下一階段的先進制程就會在中科了那他的這個銀額馬上就會衝上來\n\n25\n00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:31,166\n好所以我們現在希望的是因為我是來自中部所以本期的選區民眾都很關心中科的工作機會以及薪資的一個問題我想營業額一定會帶動到相關的一個生活我們都關注的一個議題所以國科會對於中科衰退的一個具體要怎麼做你二期的這相關的土地取得有沒有相關的期程協助招商引資技術轉型以及國家級的計畫\n\n26\n00:09:31,886 --> 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00:43.520\n主委好主委加政委我想能力越大責任越大那我想主委我想跟您請問一下剛剛其實各位也非常關心AI這個人工智慧基本的草案那我們要講就既然你已經是政委加主委我想接受到我們的一個關懷一定會更加強而有力因為你眾所期待那我想\n\n00:44.881 --> 01:08.976\n在這個AI基本法現在已經送進行政院每個人都在問何時會送到立法院當然剛剛很多的關心那你說是明年第一會期是嗎我希望是希望所以今年年底是基本上很難那我想在法制作業的一個過程當中任何一部的法案在產出的過程行政院在審查之前都會要求各部會做這個法規的影響評估請問法規影響評估有做了嗎\n\n01:13.126 --> 01:42.179\n法規的影響評估對各部會對於這個法規的影響評估法制作業都會有這樣子的一個過程那請問一下你們有做了嗎不好意思麥克風沒有收音我沒有聽到有做了有做了齁好主委剛剛沒有進入狀況齁好沒關係我們慢慢來我們希望我們今天的會談是健康的齁一起探討這個事情那這個法規這個影響評估啊會後是不是可以給教文委員會所有的委員都有一份資料呢\n\n01:42.773 --> 01:44.135\n到底影響的層面有多深?主委你有聽過通用型人工智慧嗎?\n\n01:55.023 --> 02:22.717\n我想通用型人工智慧就是AGI那這個多一個G啊它所代表的是一般人一樣具備意識、感性或者是知識、自覺的一個等能力跟任務型的不太一樣我個人認為有些任務型的還不是很好用只能夠幫我設置可能鬧鐘啊或者是編排一些簡單的形式、形式力那我想這個部分呢我們要特別看到通用型的人工智慧啊它並不會侷限在某個特定的一個任務上\n\n02:23.237 --> 02:27.118\n及所屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關\n\n02:43.539 --> 03:11.981\n我想科研的發展一定會持續進行它會越變越好現在目前來講通用型AI第一它浪費太多能源第二它的準確度跟人比起來還是差蠻多的當然所以到底多久能夠成熟這個也是看各國發展的狀況那因為要研究通用型AI需要的法規限制會更多當然可是我們就是堪憂嘛未來有這樣子的一些科技大佬都在講\n\n03:12.581 --> 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