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00:01:21,241\n到113年5月31日的時候學校、校方也核定來解聘因為從調查到解聘當中當然要有一個比較完整的程序但是同期間他仍擔任國科會專體研究計畫共同主持人\n\n5\n00:01:22,302 --> 00:01:31,994\n一直到了113年7月學校發現這位老師已經被解聘了但是呢在國科會申請的計畫仍然核定通過學校才通報了你們國科會\n\n6\n00:01:39,946 --> 00:02:01,300\n所以主委我現在才發現說原來你們對於這個案情是並不熟悉但是我今天要跟你討論是制度層面的問題因為國科會我們自己有一個國科會補助專題研究計畫作業要點當中第12條提到計畫主持人如有違反性評等相關法規\n\n7\n00:02:02,681 --> 00:02:25,276\n經主管機關以這個案件來說就是校方教育部查證屬實者得終止補助更換計劃主持人我現在請問共同主持人與主持人是否一樣都適用這一個辦法這個作業要點規定我們都適用都適用同樣的嘛所以這個案件來說理論上\n\n8\n00:02:28,078 --> 00:02:30,820\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n9\n00:02:50,771 --> 00:02:53,632\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。\n\n10\n00:03:15,123 --> 00:03:16,404\n國家科學及技術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n11\n00:03:41,383 --> 00:03:47,646\n一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n12\n00:04:08,638 --> 00:04:09,579\n有關國家科學及技術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n13\n00:04:21,508 --> 00:04:48,713\n報告委員我們要初步盤聯一下目前需要繳碳費大概有38家那合計一年大概2.5萬噸那那個費率因為考慮到時候那個環境部會按照這些廠商他實際上自主減碳的狀況會不會所以那實際上碳費可能你們有沒有試算一般費率就是如果他沒有自主減碳機會的話一般費率要繳多少錢然後如果他有優惠費率就是他有實施自主減碳機會的話要繳多少有沒有進行過試算\n\n14\n00:04:50,254 --> 00:05:02,726\n報告那個委員我們大概是一般費率是300來算但是就我們了解這38家大概都有一些自主減碳的作為好我幫你們試算了一下就是說如果一般費率就他們如果沒有自主減碳計劃是58.55億假設他要進行自主減碳計劃的話優惠費率下來是9.76億也就是一來一回其實差了50億所以我的問題是\n\n15\n00:05:12,456 --> 00:05:14,738\n一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n16\n00:05:39,798 --> 00:05:40,579\n及所屬單位預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n17\n00:05:58,952 --> 00:06:00,674\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n18\n00:06:15,492 --> 00:06:17,913\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n19\n00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:41,880\n昨天環境部也正式與國會太空中心及中央大學簽署了《空品衛星與國際監測的合作協議》。我想請問一下主委,未來這個計畫,空品監測衛星,我們會怎麼來執行?等於是我們台灣的NASA跟美國的NASA也會來進行合作嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:59,315 --> 00:07:25,622\n跟美國的合作我們是另外一個機制在進行整個空品監測衛星這個因為很重要整個大概是怎麼樣的規劃能不能說明我們目前的空品監測都是地面的這個監測站在進行那將來我們會提升到從衛星可以直接來監測我們的空品那因為從衛星我們可以看到更大的範圍也同時會知道污染源可能是從哪些地方這個衛星是由我們台灣自己發射嗎\n\n21\n00:07:27,742 --> 00:07:52,870\n有,我們會有自己發射的衛星,包含那個裂縫紙,可能會用得上。那個本體,那個籌載的部分我們會跟國外也會合作。那台灣的學者,台灣的學者也會投入研發。那除其是由太空中心來整合這些籌載的這個研究,學者那也會跟這個中央大學跟環境部一起合作,來做這個分析以及這個監測的工作。\n\n22\n00:07:54,370 --> 00:08:21,458\n所以這一顆我們預計要發射的空氣品質建設衛星會是預計由我們台灣的PASA我們自己來發射我們將來會陸續發射包含實驗性的立方衛星跟比較高空的這個低軌衛星甚至長期來講跟這個國外合作還會到這個同步衛星那這個逐年會打可能我希望最快兩年內能夠有立方衛星先做這個實驗\n\n23\n00:08:22,458 --> 00:08:23,560\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n24\n00:08:38,101 --> 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--> 00:10.898\n議員質詢謝謝主席,我請國科會主委有請吳主委\n\n00:15.356 --> 00:19.417\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n00:43.991 --> 00:46.672\n這個案件北一的調查成立調查結果在112年12月的時候調查結果出來\n\n01:03.121 --> 01:21.241\n到113年5月31日的時候學校、校方也核定來解聘因為從調查到解聘當中當然要有一個比較完整的程序但是同期間他仍擔任國科會專體研究計畫共同主持人\n\n01:22.302 --> 01:31.994\n一直到了113年7月學校發現這位老師已經被解聘了但是呢在國科會申請的計畫仍然核定通過學校才通報了你們國科會\n\n01:39.946 --> 02:01.300\n所以主委我現在才發現說原來你們對於這個案情是並不熟悉但是我今天要跟你討論是制度層面的問題因為國科會我們自己有一個國科會補助專題研究計畫作業要點當中第12條提到計畫主持人如有違反性評等相關法規\n\n02:02.681 --> 02:25.276\n經主管機關以這個案件來說就是校方教育部查證屬實者得終止補助更換計劃主持人我現在請問共同主持人與主持人是否一樣都適用這一個辦法這個作業要點規定我們都適用都適用同樣的嘛所以這個案件來說理論上\n\n02:28.078 --> 02:30.820\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n02:50.771 --> 02:53.632\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。\n\n03:15.123 --> 03:16.404\n國家科學及技術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n03:41.383 --> 03:47.646\n一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n04:08.638 --> 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