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00:00:37,868\n我們今天外交國防委員會的會議因為部長您早上一個很重要的行程所以演到10點才開始那外界都很好奇就是說部長您消失的這一個小時到底去了哪裡那部長這可以說明一下嗎\n\n3\n00:00:39,689 --> 00:01:03,808\n跟委員報告今天早上因為在安排總統出訪的事宜因為在三天就要出訪因為剛好跟友邦聯繫還有相關的工作就是要在這個時間能夠確認所以呢跟委員會請假的一小時感謝委員的這個支持\n\n4\n00:01:04,768 --> 00:01:32,990\n是,之前外界都在想說我們這次出訪到底會不會過境到其他的友邦這個部分有確定嗎?我們這次出訪主要是太平洋的三個友邦包括馬紹爾群島、土瓦魯和帛琉共和國那這個部分已經有對外正式的宣布那這個相關的行程的安排因為我們是以安全\n\n5\n00:01:34,155 --> 00:01:34,215\n﹚羅美玲﹚\n\n6\n00:01:51,548 --> 00:02:09,971\n主要關於出訪的行程主要就是府方那邊在試食的時候會再對外說明進一步的資訊所以還要再進一步說明就對了比較細節的部分是不是對所以現在不方便透露\n\n7\n00:02:11,051 --> 00:02:26,499\n對就是在由總統府方面會針對出訪事情相關的這些就是基於這四大原則之下安排的交通還有相關的這個行程\n\n8\n00:02:27,395 --> 00:02:55,588\nOK,好,了解。好,那再來呢本期就要進入到今天我想要問的這個主題像昨天、前天中國的海警船已經連續兩天侵擾了我國的金門水域那像金門這個陷阱制水域其實在1992年其實我們國防部就有依據兩個人民條例發射到現在可是中國在1996年的時候首度公布了這個領海基線把我們金門馬祖都列入他們的領海基線裡面\n\n9\n00:02:56,628 --> 00:03:21,586\n那可是經過這個金門214事件之後呢中國國台辦公開否認這個金門禁縣制水域的這個存在那甚至呢最近我們看到有很多的這個侵擾的這個行為比如說不斷的侵入我們的這個海域甚至呢到11月26為止我們看到的海巡署有提到說今年已經累計到54次\n\n10\n00:03:23,167 --> 00:03:25,629\n這些種種的侵擾行為當然就是中國意圖揭示我國對於金門水域的管轄權甚至建立中國管轄執法的事實以支撐中國宣稱擁有金門水域主權的訴求\n\n11\n00:03:37,978 --> 00:03:39,158\n中國海警的侵擾,海巡署都有應處的措施來維護我國海域安全跟主權。\n\n12\n00:04:00,583 --> 00:04:00,603\n請問部長\n\n13\n00:04:15,128 --> 00:04:31,456\n謝謝委員有關於中國在特別是今年出總統大選後展開了一系列的混合戰特別是灰色地帶的作戰那造成新常態\n\n14\n00:04:33,097 --> 00:04:57,116\n這裏面包括對於我們在海峽中線或者是我們的臨階區涉及到的這些像金門附近的禁縣制水域有侵擾有關於這方面海巡署也有因應包括驅離還有監控國防部也根據相關的法令\n\n15\n00:04:58,016 --> 00:05:23,866\n就是我們根據兩岸關係條例公告的限制禁止水域範圍那麼來作為就是我們就是依法這個行政的一個依據那這個部分在發生一些衝突事件之後也就是按照這個我們的相關的\n\n16\n00:05:25,347 --> 00:05:41,494\n作業準則來辦理那在國際上呢我們對於這樣的現象就是中共採取所謂的新常態就是所謂的newnormal那事實上已經在不管是正式的演習那甚至是有些勤勞行為那\n\n17\n00:05:43,675 --> 00:05:45,997\n法律戰、輿論戰、心理戰這些都發動之後以準時軍事甚至是軍事行為進行包括\n\n18\n00:06:03,632 --> 00:06:05,414\n對於這些新的發展我們在國際宣傳上就是認為說他們在為做武力犯台\n\n19\n00:06:23,591 --> 00:06:40,784\n做準備包括像2758號這個有關聯合國的決議這把台海內海化把台灣內政化這些都是相關性所以為什麼我們最近得到國際上對我們很多的聲援包括對聯大2758號決議中共的曲解\n\n20\n00:06:44,166 --> 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normal那事實上已經在不管是正式的演習那甚至是有些勤勞行為那\n343675\t345997\t法律戰、輿論戰、心理戰這些都發動之後以準時軍事甚至是軍事行為進行包括\n363632\t365414\t對於這些新的發展我們在國際宣傳上就是認為說他們在為做武力犯台\n383591\t400784\t做準備包括 像2758號這個有關聯合國的決議這把台海內海化把台灣內政化這些都是相關性所以為什麼我們最近得到國際上對我們很多的聲援包括對聯大2758號決議中共的曲解\n404166\t419469\t各個包括歐洲議會還有一些國家的國會都通過有我的一個決議也是因為要透過這個跟理念相近國家的一個合作包括所謂的航行自由權以這個具體行動去說明台海是一個自由航行是一個國際的公海\n429851\t443340\t其他當然我們的因應措施在第一線的以海巡署他們針對金門地區這個水域上面的這些涉及到的爭端都有所因應\n444628\t450770\t中國是用法律戰、輿論戰、心理戰用這幾種方式來做一個侵擾我們如何要在法律上跟它做抗衡在這方面其實我們都有去做\n464193\t465054\t國際上能夠認同或承認這個部分嗎?部長\n478117\t502523\t那其實以這個中共的以像這個他的海警法第三次的一個修訂公佈包括對台獨所謂的懲罰的這個22條其實這個都包括剛剛講的這個聯合國大會27582決議其實這些都是以這個所謂的混合戰就是說灰色地帶的作戰\n503363\t532049\t我們了解部長您所提的都是了解只是說在國際上到底承不承認這個部分我們就是以具體行動比如自由航行來去說明就是說我們是反對對方是沒錯因為我剛才有最後一個問題就是說如果情勢持續上升的話我們有沒有辦法提出這個國際仲裁的可能因為基本限制限制水域跟國際的這個海洋法的內國水域這個是不太一樣所以我們在想說而且我們也不是聯合國海洋公約的這個締約國\n533049\t533289\t韓國軍事部長\n553832\t553912\t韓國瑜委員\n571645\t571765\t．羅美玲\n599943\t600445\t有時間的關係謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","txt":"致謝主席有請林部長請林部長部長早部長我們今天\n我們今天外交國防委員會的會議因為部長您早上一個很重要的行程所以演到10點才開始那外界都很好奇就是說部長您消失的這一個小時到底去了哪裡那部長這可以說明一下嗎\n跟委員報告今天早上因為在安排總統出訪的事宜因為在三天就要出訪因為剛好跟友邦聯繫還有相關的工作就是要在這個時間能夠確認所以呢跟委員會請假的一小時感謝委員的這個支持\n是,之前外界都在想說我們這次出訪到底會不會過境到其他的友邦這個部分有確定嗎?我們這次出訪主要是太平洋的三個友邦包括馬紹爾群島、土瓦魯和帛琉共和國那這個部分已經有對外正式的宣布那這個相關的行程的安排因為我們是以安全\n﹚羅美玲﹚\n主要關於出訪的行程主要就是府方那邊在試食的時候會再對外說明進一步的資訊所以還要再進一步說明就對了比較細節的部分是不是對所以現在不方便透露\n對就是在由總統府方面會針對出訪事情相關的這些就是基於這四大原則之下安排的交通還有相關的這個行程\nOK,好,了解。好,那再來呢本期就要進入到今天我想要問的這個主題像昨天、前天中國的海警船已經連續兩天侵擾了我國的金門水域那像金門這個陷阱制水域其實在1992年其實我們國防部就有依據兩個人民條例發射到現在可是中國在1996年的時候首度公布了這個領海基線把我們金門馬祖都列入他們的領海基線裡面\n那可是經過這個金門214事件之後呢中國國台辦公開否認這個金門禁縣制水域的這個存在那甚至呢最近我們看到有很多的這個侵擾的這個行為比如說不斷的侵入我們的這個海域甚至呢到11月26為止我們看到的海巡署有提到說今年已經累計到54次\n這些種種的侵擾行為當然就是中國意圖揭示我國對於金門水域的管轄權甚至建立中國管轄執法的事實以支撐中國宣稱擁有金門水域主權的訴求\n中國海警的侵擾,海巡署都有應處的措施來維護我國海域安全跟主權。\n請問部長\n謝謝委員有關於中國在特別是今年出總統大選後展開了一系列的混合戰特別是灰色地帶的作戰那造成新常態\n這裏面包括對於我們在海峽中線或者是我們的臨階區涉及到的這些像金門附近的禁縣制水域有侵擾有關於這方面海巡署也有因應包括驅離還有監控國防部也根據相關的法令\n就是我們根據兩岸關係條例公告的限制禁止水域範圍那麼來作為就是我們就是依法這個行政的一個依據那這個部分在發生一些衝突事件之後也就是按照這個我們的相關的\n作業準則來辦理那在國際上呢我們對於這樣的現象就是中共採取所謂的新常態就是所謂的new normal那事實上已經在不管是正式的演習那甚至是有些勤勞行為那\n法律戰、輿論戰、心理戰這些都發動之後以準時軍事甚至是軍事行為進行包括\n對於這些新的發展我們在國際宣傳上就是認為說他們在為做武力犯台\n做準備包括 像2758號這個有關聯合國的決議這把台海內海化把台灣內政化這些都是相關性所以為什麼我們最近得到國際上對我們很多的聲援包括對聯大2758號決議中共的曲解\n各個包括歐洲議會還有一些國家的國會都通過有我的一個決議也是因為要透過這個跟理念相近國家的一個合作包括所謂的航行自由權以這個具體行動去說明台海是一個自由航行是一個國際的公海\n其他當然我們的因應措施在第一線的以海巡署他們針對金門地區這個水域上面的這些涉及到的爭端都有所因應\n中國是用法律戰、輿論戰、心理戰用這幾種方式來做一個侵擾我們如何要在法律上跟它做抗衡在這方面其實我們都有去做\n國際上能夠認同或承認這個部分嗎?部長\n那其實以這個中共的以像這個他的海警法第三次的一個修訂公佈包括對台獨所謂的懲罰的這個22條其實這個都包括剛剛講的這個聯合國大會27582決議其實這些都是以這個所謂的混合戰就是說灰色地帶的作戰\n我們了解部長您所提的都是了解只是說在國際上到底承不承認這個部分我們就是以具體行動比如自由航行來去說明就是說我們是反對對方是沒錯因為我剛才有最後一個問題就是說如果情勢持續上升的話我們有沒有辦法提出這個國際仲裁的可能因為基本限制限制水域跟國際的這個海洋法的內國水域這個是不太一樣所以我們在想說而且我們也不是聯合國海洋公約的這個締約國\n韓國軍事部長\n韓國瑜委員\n．羅美玲\n有時間的關係謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.649 --> 00:05.011\n致謝主席有請林部長請林部長部長早部長我們今天\n\n00:20.851 --> 00:37.868\n我們今天外交國防委員會的會議因為部長您早上一個很重要的行程所以演到10點才開始那外界都很好奇就是說部長您消失的這一個小時到底去了哪裡那部長這可以說明一下嗎\n\n00:39.689 --> 01:03.808\n跟委員報告今天早上因為在安排總統出訪的事宜因為在三天就要出訪因為剛好跟友邦聯繫還有相關的工作就是要在這個時間能夠確認所以呢跟委員會請假的一小時感謝委員的這個支持\n\n01:04.768 --> 01:32.990\n是,之前外界都在想說我們這次出訪到底會不會過境到其他的友邦這個部分有確定嗎?我們這次出訪主要是太平洋的三個友邦包括馬紹爾群島、土瓦魯和帛琉共和國那這個部分已經有對外正式的宣布那這個相關的行程的安排因為我們是以安全\n\n01:34.155 --> 01:34.215\n﹚羅美玲﹚\n\n01:51.548 --> 02:09.971\n主要關於出訪的行程主要就是府方那邊在試食的時候會再對外說明進一步的資訊所以還要再進一步說明就對了比較細節的部分是不是對所以現在不方便透露\n\n02:11.051 --> 02:26.499\n對就是在由總統府方面會針對出訪事情相關的這些就是基於這四大原則之下安排的交通還有相關的這個行程\n\n02:27.395 --> 02:55.588\nOK,好,了解。好,那再來呢本期就要進入到今天我想要問的這個主題像昨天、前天中國的海警船已經連續兩天侵擾了我國的金門水域那像金門這個陷阱制水域其實在1992年其實我們國防部就有依據兩個人民條例發射到現在可是中國在1996年的時候首度公布了這個領海基線把我們金門馬祖都列入他們的領海基線裡面\n\n02:56.628 --> 03:21.586\n那可是經過這個金門214事件之後呢中國國台辦公開否認這個金門禁縣制水域的這個存在那甚至呢最近我們看到有很多的這個侵擾的這個行為比如說不斷的侵入我們的這個海域甚至呢到11月26為止我們看到的海巡署有提到說今年已經累計到54次\n\n03:23.167 --> 03:25.629\n這些種種的侵擾行為當然就是中國意圖揭示我國對於金門水域的管轄權甚至建立中國管轄執法的事實以支撐中國宣稱擁有金門水域主權的訴求\n\n03:37.978 --> 03:39.158\n中國海警的侵擾,海巡署都有應處的措施來維護我國海域安全跟主權。\n\n04:00.583 --> 04:00.603\n請問部長\n\n04:15.128 --> 04:31.456\n謝謝委員有關於中國在特別是今年出總統大選後展開了一系列的混合戰特別是灰色地帶的作戰那造成新常態\n\n04:33.097 --> 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