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00:02:13,755\n還有整個的情況是有比較大的限制性我們就是必須怎麼這樣在同時一次能夠訪問三個國家做有效的安排\n\n7\n00:02:14,515 --> 00:02:25,641\n至於說相關的出訪或有過境的安排等等總統府會再進一步對外有說明再訪問對象國家就是這三國其他的部分會再做說明\n\n8\n00:02:30,723 --> 00:02:41,134\n好,那我們就等待這個總統府方的正式說明但是在這個出訪的過程中有沒有掌握到中共會不會什麼樣的干擾?比方說在這個趁總統在訪問的時候會不會做出什麼小動作?\n\n9\n00:02:45,037 --> 00:03:01,991\n是,我們不管國安會或相關的部會單位都有做一些對於情勢的分析那也跟我們的友邦這個密切的聯繫跟必要收的因應\n\n10\n00:03:04,533 --> 00:03:20,845\n中共在過去幾次我們元首出訪的時候的作為我們也都有納入這一次來做評估所以這個是我們國安單位都有做好妥善的準備跟因應\n\n11\n00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:48,387\n最後就是說有傳出中共會趁賴總統出訪的時候會有發動相關的軍演甚至是聯合利益界C有掌握這樣的情勢嗎?有這樣的可能性嗎?這個都不能排除這是可能的劇本之一那當然現在的整個國際情勢也是很多的變數我想中共方面也應該都會去就是說評估\n\n12\n00:03:50,427 --> 00:04:09,465\n不過我們想做好我們元首出訪這個萬全的這個準備跟一些配套的工作那我們呼籲就是北京方面不要就是說把這個其實也是長年以來我們元首出訪就是說有過當的\n\n13\n00:04:13,609 --> 00:04:22,531\n謝謝部長我最後再補充問一題為什麼會選擇在拜登政府的時期做出訪那不是在新政府的時候出訪有什麼特殊的考量嗎\n\n14\n00:04:43,837 --> 00:05:07,395\n我們有機會我們就會安排出發當然因為先前我想各方面的情勢我們的評估以及友邦的邀請的時間那就是在這個就是就是今年的年底我們也是要配合對方的行程那也有一些國家也在選舉包括像帛琉他們的總統大選也剛選完\n\n15\n00:05:09,396 --> 00:05:37,211\n那當然周邊國家也有很多這個各方面他們不管是選舉或者是說在政府交接期間但是我們還是依照我們的往例就是安排出法會彼此溝通來這個做好對於可能中共的一些激烈的反應因應的做這些準備\n\n16\n00:05:38,295 --> 00:05:56,870\n謝謝部長部長再來就是要提到我們的外交資源的這個配置那今天我剛剛看這些預算書我們大概是有320億的稅出其中有120多億是員外那25億是在做國際會議的部分那部長剛從歐洲回來這次是去幾個國家\n\n17\n00:05:58,624 --> 00:06:23,791\n去比利時、立陶宛跟波蘭三個國家我認為接下來我們國家面臨的挑戰大概是主要是在印太為主印太戰略裡面幾個比較重要的參與的國家當然是我們第一島鏈包含菲律賓、日本甚至是韓國還有一些南海所在的區域的幾個聲索國都有\n\n18\n00:06:26,091 --> 00:06:46,834\n當然還有一個很重要的一個大國擁有核子武器的大國是印度那這些國家對我們來講他是生存上面的必需品就是說對我們來說這些國家跟我們是唇齒相依的如果我們少了美國這樣子的夥伴這種跨太平洋的夥伴的支持的話我們在安全上面的保障就會受到影響在外交上面的保障也會受到影響\n\n19\n00:06:47,495 --> 00:07:09,896\n所以我們當講到外交資源的配置的時候我很重視一點就是說我們會不會把所有的資源過度的放在幾個國家跟我國的直接利害沒有直接相關的國家那我沒有在說立陶宛跟我們的利害沒有相關但是我必須要講說立陶宛跟我們的價值確實是理念相近但是對我國的利益它不是絕對的必要性\n\n20\n00:07:10,696 --> 00:07:11,477\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n21\n00:07:33,158 --> 00:07:48,706\n直截相關的國家我剛剛提到的這些印太的國家那才是我們最重要要把資源配置的地方包含歐洲我們這個外交部次長他過去駐法的時候也有非常好的關聯跟法國那法國其實他不僅僅\n\n22\n00:08:08,329 --> 00:08:35,238\n我記得法國是有7年的建軍的計劃這個法國的戰略裡面包括他們有希望說有自由這個可以自由航行在台海上面他也會直接提出他們的資源所以過去我們跟法國之間不管是在軍事安全上面的合作在外交上面合作甚至他們直接提到台灣而且是直接支持台灣這是我們必須要重視的一個大過所以我希望未來外交部的資源我們在出訪的時候\n\n23\n00:08:37,058 --> 00:09:03,920\n時間有限那資源也有限那我們要選擇對的地方來增加我們的海洋治理區域安全還有太空海域的港資能力那在歐洲裡面有幾個國家有這樣子的能力的我們當然可以加強交往但是有一些可能沒有跟我們直接利害相關儘管說跟我們價值相仿但或許包含部長在內包含我們的國安首長在內要有效配置自己的時間跟資源\n\n24\n00:09:06,727 --> 00:09:20,630\n法國的七年建軍法在太平洋地區有很多屬地自由航行法國也是主力主要的國家另外其實包括英國他們的五眼聯盟或者是所謂的這個\n\n25\n00:09:23,311 --> 00:09:28,073\n委員所說的第一島鏈特別是我想菲律賓就在我們鄰近的國家怎麼樣一起能夠做好地緣政治上不只是價值的同盟還是安全的同盟\n\n26\n00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:47,760\n委員會提到的第一島鏈。（\n\n27\n00:10:08,372 --> 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--> 00:29.018\n主席好麻煩請部長請您部長部長早部長今天剛才若文有提到我們賴總統接下來要出訪的這個部分那想請教一下這一次的出訪的國家主要是選擇在太平洋而非中南美的主要原因是什麼\n\n00:31.415 --> 00:49.828\n我們太平洋有三個邦交國包括馬紹群島、土瓦魯跟帛琉都有來參加我們賴總統的520的就職典禮也有邀請他能夠去訪問另外就是我們國家元首對這個地區的訪問\n\n00:52.310 --> 01:14.160\n上一次也已經是五年前了蔡總統時候是2019年所以呢基於這個不管固邦、隆邦我們希望說能夠在比較短的時間內的一個安排就是以太平洋這個我們的三個邦交國為元首出訪第一次的一個訪問國家\n\n01:17.861 --> 01:36.522\n其實我們國家的元首出訪有幾個重要的意義第一個當然是鞏固我們的邦交但第二個部分就是我們常常看到我們元首會出境的時候也會有過境的外交那想請教一下這一次的過境點大概有可能會是在哪裡?\n\n01:37.811 --> 01:57.386\n我們不管是出訪或過境都秉持四大原則那這次在太平洋方面我們當然是安全那這個尊嚴那便利然後舒適大概順序我把它做了一點調整這叫是這地方的交通運輸\n\n01:58.947 --> 02:13.755\n還有整個的情況是有比較大的限制性我們就是必須怎麼這樣在同時一次能夠訪問三個國家做有效的安排\n\n02:14.515 --> 02:25.641\n至於說相關的出訪或有過境的安排等等總統府會再進一步對外有說明再訪問對象國家就是這三國其他的部分會再做說明\n\n02:30.723 --> 02:41.134\n好,那我們就等待這個總統府方的正式說明但是在這個出訪的過程中有沒有掌握到中共會不會什麼樣的干擾?比方說在這個趁總統在訪問的時候會不會做出什麼小動作?\n\n02:45.037 --> 03:01.991\n是,我們不管國安會或相關的部會單位都有做一些對於情勢的分析那也跟我們的友邦這個密切的聯繫跟必要收的因應\n\n03:04.533 --> 03:20.845\n中共在過去幾次我們元首出訪的時候的作為我們也都有納入這一次來做評估所以這個是我們國安單位都有做好妥善的準備跟因應\n\n03:21.960 --> 03:48.387\n最後就是說有傳出中共會趁賴總統出訪的時候會有發動相關的軍演甚至是聯合利益界C有掌握這樣的情勢嗎?有這樣的可能性嗎?這個都不能排除這是可能的劇本之一那當然現在的整個國際情勢也是很多的變數我想中共方面也應該都會去就是說評估\n\n03:50.427 --> 04:09.465\n不過我們想做好我們元首出訪這個萬全的這個準備跟一些配套的工作那我們呼籲就是北京方面不要就是說把這個其實也是長年以來我們元首出訪就是說有過當的\n\n04:13.609 --> 04:22.531\n謝謝部長我最後再補充問一題為什麼會選擇在拜登政府的時期做出訪那不是在新政府的時候出訪有什麼特殊的考量嗎\n\n04:43.837 --> 05:07.395\n我們有機會我們就會安排出發當然因為先前我想各方面的情勢我們的評估以及友邦的邀請的時間那就是在這個就是就是今年的年底我們也是要配合對方的行程那也有一些國家也在選舉包括像帛琉他們的總統大選也剛選完\n\n05:09.396 --> 05:37.211\n那當然周邊國家也有很多這個各方面他們不管是選舉或者是說在政府交接期間但是我們還是依照我們的往例就是安排出法會彼此溝通來這個做好對於可能中共的一些激烈的反應因應的做這些準備\n\n05:38.295 --> 05:56.870\n謝謝部長部長再來就是要提到我們的外交資源的這個配置那今天我剛剛看這些預算書我們大概是有320億的稅出其中有120多億是員外那25億是在做國際會議的部分那部長剛從歐洲回來這次是去幾個國家\n\n05:58.624 --> 06:23.791\n去比利時、立陶宛跟波蘭三個國家我認為接下來我們國家面臨的挑戰大概是主要是在印太為主印太戰略裡面幾個比較重要的參與的國家當然是我們第一島鏈包含菲律賓、日本甚至是韓國還有一些南海所在的區域的幾個聲索國都有\n\n06:26.091 --> 06:46.834\n當然還有一個很重要的一個大國擁有核子武器的大國是印度那這些國家對我們來講他是生存上面的必需品就是說對我們來說這些國家跟我們是唇齒相依的如果我們少了美國這樣子的夥伴這種跨太平洋的夥伴的支持的話我們在安全上面的保障就會受到影響在外交上面的保障也會受到影響\n\n06:47.495 --> 07:09.896\n所以我們當講到外交資源的配置的時候我很重視一點就是說我們會不會把所有的資源過度的放在幾個國家跟我國的直接利害沒有直接相關的國家那我沒有在說立陶宛跟我們的利害沒有相關但是我必須要講說立陶宛跟我們的價值確實是理念相近但是對我國的利益它不是絕對的必要性\n\n07:10.696 --> 07:11.477\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n07:33.158 --> 07:48.706\n直截相關的國家我剛剛提到的這些印太的國家那才是我們最重要要把資源配置的地方包含歐洲我們這個外交部次長他過去駐法的時候也有非常好的關聯跟法國那法國其實他不僅僅\n\n08:08.329 --> 08:35.238\n我記得法國是有7年的建軍的計劃這個法國的戰略裡面包括他們有希望說有自由這個可以自由航行在台海上面他也會直接提出他們的資源所以過去我們跟法國之間不管是在軍事安全上面的合作在外交上面合作甚至他們直接提到台灣而且是直接支持台灣這是我們必須要重視的一個大過所以我希望未來外交部的資源我們在出訪的時候\n\n08:37.058 --> 09:03.920\n時間有限那資源也有限那我們要選擇對的地方來增加我們的海洋治理區域安全還有太空海域的港資能力那在歐洲裡面有幾個國家有這樣子的能力的我們當然可以加強交往但是有一些可能沒有跟我們直接利害相關儘管說跟我們價值相仿但或許包含部長在內包含我們的國安首長在內要有效配置自己的時間跟資源\n\n09:06.727 --> 09:20.630\n法國的七年建軍法在太平洋地區有很多屬地自由航行法國也是主力主要的國家另外其實包括英國他們的五眼聯盟或者是所謂的這個\n\n09:23.311 --> 09:28.073\n委員所說的第一島鏈特別是我想菲律賓就在我們鄰近的國家怎麼樣一起能夠做好地緣政治上不只是價值的同盟還是安全的同盟\n\n09:47.600 --> 09:47.760\n委員會提到的第一島鏈。（\n\n10:08.372 --> 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歐洲國家，我最近看到我們的國安會秘書長包含部長，花很多時間在中東歐國家或是丹麥這些理念相近的國家，我都給予肯定，但我還是要提醒，跟我們生存直接相關的國家，就是我剛剛提到的這些印太的國家，那才是我們最重要的、要把資源配置的地方，包含歐洲，我們外交部次長過去駐法的時候，跟法國也有非常好的關聯，法國它不僅僅只是歐洲國家而已，仔細看它在太平洋或者在印太地區，其實都有海外的屬地，所以，當我們跟歐洲在討論到我們的交流的時候，我們必須要思考，這些國家怎麼樣可以跟我們進行更完整的合作。我記得法國有一個7年的建軍計畫，法國的戰略裡面包含他們希望可以在臺海上面自由航行，同時他們也都直接提出了他們的支援，所以，過去我們跟法國之間，不管是在軍事安全上面的合作，在外交上面的合作，甚至他們直接提到臺灣，而且是直接支持臺灣，這是我們必須要重視的一個大國。所以，我希望未來外交部的資源上，在出訪的時候，時間有限，資源也有限，我們要選擇對的地方來增加我們的海洋治理區域安全，還有太空海域的感知能力。歐洲裡面有幾個國家有這樣子的能力的，我們當然可以加強交往，但是有一些可能沒有跟我們直接利害相關，儘管說跟我們價值相仿，但或許包含部長在內，包含我們的國安首長在內，要有效配置自己的時間跟資源。"],["林部長佳龍：謝謝委員，確實，法國的7年建軍法，還有他們在太平洋地區有很多屬地；自由航行的部分，法國也是主力、主要的國家。另外，其實包括英國，五眼聯盟或者是所謂的AUKUS，或者是Quad、Five 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