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00:01:44,739\n需要想像,想像還是有用的。想像算不算科學?像哲學都是要想像。都是要想像,對。那我們來想像,你想像的超高齡社會是一個悲慘世界還是美麗新世界?所以就是你的,我們國科,就是你啦,你個人。有美麗也有悲慘。有美麗有悲慘。\n\n5\n00:01:47,475 --> 00:02:05,390\n為什麼要問這個問題因為如果你認為是個悲慘世界你就會提出悲慘的解方如果你認為它是個美麗新世界你就會提出美麗的解方應該是這樣子那我們科學家就是努力在尋找解方\n\n6\n00:02:06,691 --> 00:02:34,625\n處理問題但是前面有一個想像欸前面那個想像好像不能就像你相信有沒有上帝嘛你有相信有上帝你就會往這後面你沒有相信沒有那就同樣的這是一個信念我們對超高齡社會是一個悲慘世界還是一個美麗新世界那主委剛才講說有悲慘的有美麗哪一個比重比較多\n\n7\n00:02:36,792 --> 00:03:00,433\n當然我們的努力會影響,但是人生老病死這個一定都是過程一定會出現。一定會出現,然後呢?所以最後一定是悲慘的,但是我們希望他美麗的時間長一點的確是。主委有點悲觀,我覺得你有點悲觀,科學家應該都是樂觀的吧?\n\n8\n00:03:01,974 --> 00:03:27,071\n科學家應該要樂觀就是就像我們我們對未來都不可掌握但是我們都相信未來是美好的世界一定要有這個信念不然我們怎麼活得下去我們當然希望這樣所以會努力對啊所以科學家不斷地在努力就是我們相信我們可以可以讓未來變得美好嘛讓未來變得美好所以呢\n\n9\n00:03:28,528 --> 00:03:43,376\n為什麼要跟主委糾纏在這個問題上面因為我就覺得你們太悲觀了國科會對高雄社會的想像我看你們的資料跟論述就是一個悲慘事件\n\n10\n00:03:44,833 --> 00:04:09,249\n我知道這個有些價值觀但是我覺得其實應該去調整因為這個信念會引導我們一直往好像覺得未來充滿危機生病的人一大堆然後這個破產反正是處所以你們像消防員一樣到處提出很多的解方都是要消滅這些東西但是事實上消滅不了的\n\n11\n00:04:12,628 --> 00:04:16,031\n第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委\n\n12\n00:04:36,499 --> 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