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00:01:36,357\n其實原美論是沒有必要啦我們跟美國的關係不只是說台灣關係法這些基礎最主要是說這些年是跨黨派而且跨行政立法跟台灣都很友好\n\n5\n00:01:38,362 --> 00:01:59,657\n出訪就是基本上我們是有一個對方國家的邀請或有一些重大的這個節慶或者是說就職典禮那以我們今年來講就是南泰這三個國家在賴總統就職典禮的時候他們國家元首都有來那有邀請\n\n6\n00:02:00,778 --> 00:02:26,158\n那而且就時間上來講跟這個路線的安排可以一次去這個訪問這三個國家而且算是鞏固邦誼再加上其實本期也特別整理了如果是以上次的話有總統出訪南泰地區也是2019年了也就是小英總統在任的時候所以說這一次包括像我們帛琉的這個會數人他在11月連任成功就像您所說的從這個\n\n7\n00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:51,250\n出發起程到馬紹爾、土瓦魯再到帛琉其實這個路線就是很順的那麼我們當然也希望這一次的出訪能夠成功對我們的邦誼能夠更鞏固不過呢有一個最新的訊息呢是就像我剛剛提到的這個以美論現在就算我們沒有以美但是對於川普現在上台之後包括他現在任用了一個所謂的關稅大將來擔任他的相關的這個內閣成員喔那麼\n\n8\n00:02:56,352 --> 00:03:00,157\n就有CNN最新今天早上更新的是說川普可能透過保護主義然後開始增加他的關稅那麼其中他會對他的貿易前十大的這些所謂國家來出手那麼\n\n9\n00:03:13,214 --> 00:03:15,917\n根據CNN的報告台灣也在這前十大之中那麼當然這個是屬於貿易的問題可能問經濟部會更適合可是某種程度這是不是也是台美之間在外交上必須關注的部分部長你怎麼來看\n\n10\n00:03:30,292 --> 00:03:53,689\n會不會接下來因為川普任用了這個他的關稅大將格里爾那麼再加上CNN的報導被台灣媒體引用了那產業界就會擔心囉目前台灣是屬於對美貿易的第六名部長您看其實台美的經貿的關係是建立在包括法治或者是透明的基礎上那\n\n11\n00:03:57,178 --> 00:04:12,512\n這個關稅啦或者是相關的這些貿易的逆差本來就是在國家之間啦就是他的一個政策的工具那我們怎麼去增加因為貿易逆差很大我們怎麼增加對美國的投資這個是再就採購\n\n12\n00:04:13,792 --> 00:04:26,282\n所以這些本來就是我們應該要做的方向所以這個大概跟川普總統上任之後更重視這方面那我們當然會在政策上我們有一些工具也會來討這個方向\n\n13\n00:04:30,765 --> 00:04:52,137\n有進一步的機會來跟美方來做溝通因為就像今天媒體報導的嘛因為這個總統要到南泰出訪聯合利建C也要出來了但是許多的相關的軍事或外交專家都認為其實聯合利建C對準的恐怕不只是台灣更是對美國來立威甚至對美國來展示軍事的肌肉\n\n14\n00:04:52,677 --> 00:05:16,475\n所以對於現在美國他所選取的內閣都是所謂的抗中大將那麼如果是站在抗中的立場來講台灣絕對是美國非常重要的一個夥伴就是如同您說的如果讓美國再次強大的話台灣不能置身事外而且台灣必須是夥伴那這個部分外交部有沒有機會跟現在川普的新內閣來針對我們所關心的安全或經貿問題來做相關的這個溝通\n\n15\n00:05:20,309 --> 00:05:38,080\n是有溝通我想跨黨派的那最主要是說其實我們每一次的元首出訪中共都會有一些動作那是輕重的問題那在這一個美國政府交接的期間當然北京他也必須要考慮他任何的動作的弦外之音\n\n16\n00:05:40,120 --> 00:06:02,786\n因為川普現在有他的一個中國政策的方向包括提高關稅甚至在選舉期間講了很重的話如果他們中共侵台的話他要轟炸北京就是說我想在這一個都不確定的階段這個充滿了各種的一個不確定那大家都是很謹慎可是\n\n17\n00:06:03,772 --> 00:06:22,479\n我是我們的判斷是中共還是會有動作只是說這個什麼樣的方式比如說他們每週也差不多都有這個所謂戰備警巡那只要再加強一下那就是認知作戰那有時候是基於國內的消費有時候是真的是有對台灣我們不能排除他遊訓轉戰\n\n18\n00:06:23,999 --> 00:06:27,622\n主要是這三個國家除了來我們臺灣參加就職典禮或是雙十國慶以外他們都是今年選上的\n\n19\n00:06:46,671 --> 00:07:06,911\n馬紹爾群島、海尼總統、土瓦魯總理及柏油總統今年都是一個新的開始,我們認為一次能夠三個藍太友邦做出訪的對象主題也是跟我們現在的籠幫政策有關,繁榮藍島、智慧永續\n\n20\n00:07:09,093 --> 00:07:33,187\n好,但是呢本席也要稍微來問一下就是我們有關於這個大家現在非常關注的是有關於聽台灣的部分那麼加強這個所謂反對2758號決議文我想這一次因為我們在12強打上了冠軍之後聽台灣成為這個不只是團結台灣啦甚至於是全球非常矚目的這個關鍵字喔那麼我們在有關於國際組織2025年我們編列了3億6900\n\n21\n00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:44,356\n44萬元的經費那麼在這些經費的運用上面有沒有機會讓聽台灣能夠更響亮我想現在講台灣或講聽台灣是一個共通的語言那在這裡的話外交部針對在聯合國或者是其他國際組織的經費跟運用上面有沒有想要乘勝追擊尤其是在您所提到的價值外交的部分\n\n22\n00:08:03,463 --> 00:08:25,577\n確實這一次我想運動選手他在得到冠軍的時候自發的去呈現就是台灣因為這是很自然的而且很中性的名稱那我們在國際上也是如此包括我們最近國際組織包括參加聯合國我們用chipinwithTaiwan和台灣一起拼那這個過去也常用台灣canhelp\n\n23\n00:08:26,557 --> 00:08:26,717\n﹚林楚茵\n\n24\n00:08:48,746 --> 00:08:48,966\n謝謝委員提醒,我們會更加重視。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n329\t3952\t謝謝主席主席有請林部長請林部長部長早知道您即將要陪賴總統出訪不過因為隨著這個出訪之前所許多的這個包括被帶風向的操作跟操弄剛剛我延續王定宇委員所提到的很多的這個以美論的聲音就會出來\n29730\t51089\t那麼其中當然有關於這次出訪我們主要是去南泰國家嘛那麼很多的訊息在之前聽到說總統要去南泰之後以美論就開始出來了就說或是依賴論就講說啊怎麼沒有過境這個美國的本土因為現在媒體所曝光出來的地點可能是夏威夷或是其他地區但是如果我們攤開這個時間表以及地圖來看的話就會發現說\n56354\t56534\t這個部長怎麼看?\n83976\t96357\t其實原美論是沒有必要啦我們跟美國的關係不只是說台灣關係法這些基礎最主要是說這些年是跨黨派而且跨行政立法跟台灣都很友好\n98362\t119657\t出訪就是基本上我們是有一個對方國家的邀請或有一些重大的這個節慶或者是說就職典禮那以我們今年來講就是南泰這三個國家在賴總統就職典禮的時候他們國家元首都有來那有邀請\n120778\t146158\t那而且就時間上來講跟這個路線的安排可以一次去這個訪問這三個國家而且算是鞏固邦誼再加上其實本期也特別整理了如果是以上次的話有總統出訪南泰地區也是2019年了也就是小英總統在任的時候所以說這一次包括像我們帛琉的這個會數人他在11月連任成功就像您所說的從這個\n148620\t171250\t出發起程到馬紹爾、土瓦魯再到帛琉其實這個路線就是很順的那麼我們當然也希望這一次的出訪能夠成功對我們的邦誼能夠更鞏固不過呢有一個最新的訊息呢是就像我剛剛提到的這個以美論現在就算我們沒有以美但是對於川普現在上台之後包括他現在任用了一個所謂的關稅大將來擔任他的相關的這個內閣成員喔那麼\n176352\t180157\t就有CNN最新今天早上更新的是說川普可能透過保護主義然後開始增加他的關稅那麼其中他會對他的貿易前十大的這些所謂國家來出手那麼\n193214\t195917\t根據CNN的報告台灣也在這前十大之中那麼當然這個是屬於貿易的問題可能問經濟部會更適合可是某種程度這是不是也是台美之間在外交上必須關注的部分部長你怎麼來看\n210292\t233689\t會不會接下來因為川普任用了這個他的關稅大將格里爾那麼再加上CNN的報導被台灣媒體引用了那產業界就會擔心囉目前台灣是屬於對美貿易的第六名部長您看其實台美的經貿的關係是建立在包括法治或者是透明的基礎上那\n237178\t252512\t這個關稅啦或者是相關的這些貿易的逆差本來就是在國家之間啦就是他的一個政策的工具那我們怎麼去增加因為貿易逆差很大我們怎麼增加對美國的投資這個是再就採購\n253792\t266282\t所以這些本來就是我們應該要做的方向所以這個大概跟川普總統上任之後更重視這方面那我們當然會在政策上我們有一些工具也會來討這個方向\n270765\t292137\t有進一步的機會來跟美方來做溝通因為就像今天媒體報導的嘛因為這個總統要到南泰出訪聯合利建C也要出來了但是許多的相關的軍事或外交專家都認為其實聯合利建C對準的恐怕不只是台灣更是對美國來立威甚至對美國來展示軍事的肌肉\n292677\t316475\t所以對於現在美國他所選取的內閣都是所謂的抗中大將那麼如果是站在抗中的立場來講台灣絕對是美國非常重要的一個夥伴就是如同您說的如果讓美國再次強大的話台灣不能置身事外而且台灣必須是夥伴那這個部分外交部有沒有機會跟現在川普的新內閣來針對我們所關心的安全或經貿問題來做相關的這個溝通\n320309\t338080\t是有溝通我想跨黨派的那最主要是說其實我們每一次的元首出訪中共都會有一些動作那是輕重的問題那在這一個美國政府交接的期間當然北京他也必須要考慮他任何的動作的弦外之音\n340120\t362786\t因為川普現在有他的一個中國政策的方向包括提高關稅甚至在選舉期間講了很重的話如果他們中共侵台的話他要轟炸北京就是說我想在這一個都不確定的階段這個充滿了各種的一個不確定那大家都是很謹慎可是\n363772\t382479\t我是我們的判斷是中共還是會有動作只是說這個什麼樣的方式比如說他們每週也差不多都有這個所謂戰備警巡那只要再加強一下那就是認知作戰那有時候是基於國內的消費有時候是真的是有對台灣我們不能排除他遊訓轉戰\n383999\t387622\t主要是這三個國家除了來我們臺灣參加就職典禮或是雙十國慶以外他們都是今年選上的\n406671\t426911\t馬紹爾群島、海尼總統、土瓦魯總理及柏油總統今年都是一個新的開始,我們認為一次能夠三個藍太友邦做出訪的對象主題也是跟我們現在的籠幫政策有關,繁榮藍島、智慧永續\n429093\t453187\t好,但是呢本席也要稍微來問一下就是我們有關於這個大家現在非常關注的是有關於聽台灣的部分那麼加強這個所謂反對2758號決議文我想這一次因為我們在12強打上了冠軍之後聽台灣成為這個不只是團結台灣啦甚至於是全球非常矚目的這個關鍵字喔那麼我們在有關於國際組織2025年我們編列了3億6900\n457589\t464356\t44萬元的經費那麼在這些經費的運用上面有沒有機會讓聽台灣能夠更響亮我想現在講台灣或講聽台灣是一個共通的語言那在這裡的話外交部針對在聯合國或者是其他國際組織的經費跟運用上面有沒有想要乘勝追擊尤其是在您所提到的價值外交的部分\n483463\t505577\t確實這一次我想運動選手他在得到冠軍的時候自發的去呈現就是台灣因為這是很自然的而且很中性的名稱那我們在國際上也是如此包括我們最近國際組織包括參加聯合國我們用chip in with Taiwan和台灣一起拼那這個過去也常用台灣can help\n506557\t506717\t﹚林楚茵\n528746\t528966\t謝謝委員提醒,我們會更加重視。\n","txt":"謝謝主席主席有請林部長請林部長部長早知道您即將要陪賴總統出訪不過因為隨著這個出訪之前所許多的這個包括被帶風向的操作跟操弄剛剛我延續王定宇委員所提到的很多的這個以美論的聲音就會出來\n那麼其中當然有關於這次出訪我們主要是去南泰國家嘛那麼很多的訊息在之前聽到說總統要去南泰之後以美論就開始出來了就說或是依賴論就講說啊怎麼沒有過境這個美國的本土因為現在媒體所曝光出來的地點可能是夏威夷或是其他地區但是如果我們攤開這個時間表以及地圖來看的話就會發現說\n這個部長怎麼看?\n其實原美論是沒有必要啦我們跟美國的關係不只是說台灣關係法這些基礎最主要是說這些年是跨黨派而且跨行政立法跟台灣都很友好\n出訪就是基本上我們是有一個對方國家的邀請或有一些重大的這個節慶或者是說就職典禮那以我們今年來講就是南泰這三個國家在賴總統就職典禮的時候他們國家元首都有來那有邀請\n那而且就時間上來講跟這個路線的安排可以一次去這個訪問這三個國家而且算是鞏固邦誼再加上其實本期也特別整理了如果是以上次的話有總統出訪南泰地區也是2019年了也就是小英總統在任的時候所以說這一次包括像我們帛琉的這個會數人他在11月連任成功就像您所說的從這個\n出發起程到馬紹爾、土瓦魯再到帛琉其實這個路線就是很順的那麼我們當然也希望這一次的出訪能夠成功對我們的邦誼能夠更鞏固不過呢有一個最新的訊息呢是就像我剛剛提到的這個以美論現在就算我們沒有以美但是對於川普現在上台之後包括他現在任用了一個所謂的關稅大將來擔任他的相關的這個內閣成員喔那麼\n就有CNN最新今天早上更新的是說川普可能透過保護主義然後開始增加他的關稅那麼其中他會對他的貿易前十大的這些所謂國家來出手那麼\n根據CNN的報告台灣也在這前十大之中那麼當然這個是屬於貿易的問題可能問經濟部會更適合可是某種程度這是不是也是台美之間在外交上必須關注的部分部長你怎麼來看\n會不會接下來因為川普任用了這個他的關稅大將格里爾那麼再加上CNN的報導被台灣媒體引用了那產業界就會擔心囉目前台灣是屬於對美貿易的第六名部長您看其實台美的經貿的關係是建立在包括法治或者是透明的基礎上那\n這個關稅啦或者是相關的這些貿易的逆差本來就是在國家之間啦就是他的一個政策的工具那我們怎麼去增加因為貿易逆差很大我們怎麼增加對美國的投資這個是再就採購\n所以這些本來就是我們應該要做的方向所以這個大概跟川普總統上任之後更重視這方面那我們當然會在政策上我們有一些工具也會來討這個方向\n有進一步的機會來跟美方來做溝通因為就像今天媒體報導的嘛因為這個總統要到南泰出訪聯合利建C也要出來了但是許多的相關的軍事或外交專家都認為其實聯合利建C對準的恐怕不只是台灣更是對美國來立威甚至對美國來展示軍事的肌肉\n所以對於現在美國他所選取的內閣都是所謂的抗中大將那麼如果是站在抗中的立場來講台灣絕對是美國非常重要的一個夥伴就是如同您說的如果讓美國再次強大的話台灣不能置身事外而且台灣必須是夥伴那這個部分外交部有沒有機會跟現在川普的新內閣來針對我們所關心的安全或經貿問題來做相關的這個溝通\n是有溝通我想跨黨派的那最主要是說其實我們每一次的元首出訪中共都會有一些動作那是輕重的問題那在這一個美國政府交接的期間當然北京他也必須要考慮他任何的動作的弦外之音\n因為川普現在有他的一個中國政策的方向包括提高關稅甚至在選舉期間講了很重的話如果他們中共侵台的話他要轟炸北京就是說我想在這一個都不確定的階段這個充滿了各種的一個不確定那大家都是很謹慎可是\n我是我們的判斷是中共還是會有動作只是說這個什麼樣的方式比如說他們每週也差不多都有這個所謂戰備警巡那只要再加強一下那就是認知作戰那有時候是基於國內的消費有時候是真的是有對台灣我們不能排除他遊訓轉戰\n主要是這三個國家除了來我們臺灣參加就職典禮或是雙十國慶以外他們都是今年選上的\n馬紹爾群島、海尼總統、土瓦魯總理及柏油總統今年都是一個新的開始,我們認為一次能夠三個藍太友邦做出訪的對象主題也是跟我們現在的籠幫政策有關,繁榮藍島、智慧永續\n好,但是呢本席也要稍微來問一下就是我們有關於這個大家現在非常關注的是有關於聽台灣的部分那麼加強這個所謂反對2758號決議文我想這一次因為我們在12強打上了冠軍之後聽台灣成為這個不只是團結台灣啦甚至於是全球非常矚目的這個關鍵字喔那麼我們在有關於國際組織2025年我們編列了3億6900\n44萬元的經費那麼在這些經費的運用上面有沒有機會讓聽台灣能夠更響亮我想現在講台灣或講聽台灣是一個共通的語言那在這裡的話外交部針對在聯合國或者是其他國際組織的經費跟運用上面有沒有想要乘勝追擊尤其是在您所提到的價值外交的部分\n確實這一次我想運動選手他在得到冠軍的時候自發的去呈現就是台灣因為這是很自然的而且很中性的名稱那我們在國際上也是如此包括我們最近國際組織包括參加聯合國我們用chip in with Taiwan和台灣一起拼那這個過去也常用台灣can help\n﹚林楚茵\n謝謝委員提醒,我們會更加重視。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.329 --> 00:03.952\n謝謝主席主席有請林部長請林部長部長早知道您即將要陪賴總統出訪不過因為隨著這個出訪之前所許多的這個包括被帶風向的操作跟操弄剛剛我延續王定宇委員所提到的很多的這個以美論的聲音就會出來\n\n00:29.730 --> 00:51.089\n那麼其中當然有關於這次出訪我們主要是去南泰國家嘛那麼很多的訊息在之前聽到說總統要去南泰之後以美論就開始出來了就說或是依賴論就講說啊怎麼沒有過境這個美國的本土因為現在媒體所曝光出來的地點可能是夏威夷或是其他地區但是如果我們攤開這個時間表以及地圖來看的話就會發現說\n\n00:56.354 --> 00:56.534\n這個部長怎麼看?\n\n01:23.976 --> 01:36.357\n其實原美論是沒有必要啦我們跟美國的關係不只是說台灣關係法這些基礎最主要是說這些年是跨黨派而且跨行政立法跟台灣都很友好\n\n01:38.362 --> 01:59.657\n出訪就是基本上我們是有一個對方國家的邀請或有一些重大的這個節慶或者是說就職典禮那以我們今年來講就是南泰這三個國家在賴總統就職典禮的時候他們國家元首都有來那有邀請\n\n02:00.778 --> 02:26.158\n那而且就時間上來講跟這個路線的安排可以一次去這個訪問這三個國家而且算是鞏固邦誼再加上其實本期也特別整理了如果是以上次的話有總統出訪南泰地區也是2019年了也就是小英總統在任的時候所以說這一次包括像我們帛琉的這個會數人他在11月連任成功就像您所說的從這個\n\n02:28.620 --> 02:51.250\n出發起程到馬紹爾、土瓦魯再到帛琉其實這個路線就是很順的那麼我們當然也希望這一次的出訪能夠成功對我們的邦誼能夠更鞏固不過呢有一個最新的訊息呢是就像我剛剛提到的這個以美論現在就算我們沒有以美但是對於川普現在上台之後包括他現在任用了一個所謂的關稅大將來擔任他的相關的這個內閣成員喔那麼\n\n02:56.352 --> 03:00.157\n就有CNN最新今天早上更新的是說川普可能透過保護主義然後開始增加他的關稅那麼其中他會對他的貿易前十大的這些所謂國家來出手那麼\n\n03:13.214 --> 03:15.917\n根據CNN的報告台灣也在這前十大之中那麼當然這個是屬於貿易的問題可能問經濟部會更適合可是某種程度這是不是也是台美之間在外交上必須關注的部分部長你怎麼來看\n\n03:30.292 --> 03:53.689\n會不會接下來因為川普任用了這個他的關稅大將格里爾那麼再加上CNN的報導被台灣媒體引用了那產業界就會擔心囉目前台灣是屬於對美貿易的第六名部長您看其實台美的經貿的關係是建立在包括法治或者是透明的基礎上那\n\n03:57.178 --> 04:12.512\n這個關稅啦或者是相關的這些貿易的逆差本來就是在國家之間啦就是他的一個政策的工具那我們怎麼去增加因為貿易逆差很大我們怎麼增加對美國的投資這個是再就採購\n\n04:13.792 --> 04:26.282\n所以這些本來就是我們應該要做的方向所以這個大概跟川普總統上任之後更重視這方面那我們當然會在政策上我們有一些工具也會來討這個方向\n\n04:30.765 --> 04:52.137\n有進一步的機會來跟美方來做溝通因為就像今天媒體報導的嘛因為這個總統要到南泰出訪聯合利建C也要出來了但是許多的相關的軍事或外交專家都認為其實聯合利建C對準的恐怕不只是台灣更是對美國來立威甚至對美國來展示軍事的肌肉\n\n04:52.677 --> 05:16.475\n所以對於現在美國他所選取的內閣都是所謂的抗中大將那麼如果是站在抗中的立場來講台灣絕對是美國非常重要的一個夥伴就是如同您說的如果讓美國再次強大的話台灣不能置身事外而且台灣必須是夥伴那這個部分外交部有沒有機會跟現在川普的新內閣來針對我們所關心的安全或經貿問題來做相關的這個溝通\n\n05:20.309 --> 05:38.080\n是有溝通我想跨黨派的那最主要是說其實我們每一次的元首出訪中共都會有一些動作那是輕重的問題那在這一個美國政府交接的期間當然北京他也必須要考慮他任何的動作的弦外之音\n\n05:40.120 --> 06:02.786\n因為川普現在有他的一個中國政策的方向包括提高關稅甚至在選舉期間講了很重的話如果他們中共侵台的話他要轟炸北京就是說我想在這一個都不確定的階段這個充滿了各種的一個不確定那大家都是很謹慎可是\n\n06:03.772 --> 06:22.479\n我是我們的判斷是中共還是會有動作只是說這個什麼樣的方式比如說他們每週也差不多都有這個所謂戰備警巡那只要再加強一下那就是認知作戰那有時候是基於國內的消費有時候是真的是有對台灣我們不能排除他遊訓轉戰\n\n06:23.999 --> 06:27.622\n主要是這三個國家除了來我們臺灣參加就職典禮或是雙十國慶以外他們都是今年選上的\n\n06:46.671 --> 07:06.911\n馬紹爾群島、海尼總統、土瓦魯總理及柏油總統今年都是一個新的開始,我們認為一次能夠三個藍太友邦做出訪的對象主題也是跟我們現在的籠幫政策有關,繁榮藍島、智慧永續\n\n07:09.093 --> 07:33.187\n好,但是呢本席也要稍微來問一下就是我們有關於這個大家現在非常關注的是有關於聽台灣的部分那麼加強這個所謂反對2758號決議文我想這一次因為我們在12強打上了冠軍之後聽台灣成為這個不只是團結台灣啦甚至於是全球非常矚目的這個關鍵字喔那麼我們在有關於國際組織2025年我們編列了3億6900\n\n07:37.589 --> 07:44.356\n44萬元的經費那麼在這些經費的運用上面有沒有機會讓聽台灣能夠更響亮我想現在講台灣或講聽台灣是一個共通的語言那在這裡的話外交部針對在聯合國或者是其他國際組織的經費跟運用上面有沒有想要乘勝追擊尤其是在您所提到的價值外交的部分\n\n08:03.463 --> 08:25.577\n確實這一次我想運動選手他在得到冠軍的時候自發的去呈現就是台灣因為這是很自然的而且很中性的名稱那我們在國際上也是如此包括我們最近國際組織包括參加聯合國我們用chipinwithTaiwan和台灣一起拼那這個過去也常用台灣canhelp\n\n08:26.557 --> 08:26.717\n﹚林楚茵\n\n08:48.746 --> 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