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00:01:42,549\n大部分你可以看到民調也好或者說法也好都是反對這個合併案所以在這邊剛才主委說公平會是委員制沒有錯我們也尊重委員會的決議但是竟然這個期限是在12月19號以現在的方方面面的\n\n6\n00:01:43,470 --> 00:02:00,868\n反應來說公平會都沒有任何的理由再做延期我直接說公平會不要再用任何的理由來做延期我講了因為現在你們正好換屆主委還有其他應該還有幾位委員都是在1月31號\n\n7\n00:02:02,717 --> 00:02:25,321\n所以你們應該在12月19號做成決議準博的決議別說其實在立法院裡面包含榮泰院長還有現在下台的何培山部長因為他是勞動部都已經表示反對的意思當然他們還是要去尊重公平會最後的決議所以我在這邊直接說應該做的決定\n\n8\n00:02:29,524 --> 00:02:50,576\n這個是顯而易見的沒有看到哪一方面覺得因此而得利可能都會因此而受害所以公平會應該本於職權在12月19號的到期之前應該做出準博的決定不要再用任何理由來延長我覺得如果再有任何理由延長\n\n9\n00:02:51,616 --> 00:03:20,568\n那麼這個因為可能跟你們的利益自己本身結合啊因為你們是到1月底結束不要用這個方式來綁架說我們今天未來在立法院整個審核人士一定要配合這個案子因為這個案子社會矚目還有直接跟主委講如果我們公平會不在12月19號法定的期限做出準博的話\n\n10\n00:03:22,281 --> 00:03:44,576\n那對不起阿包含您的人事案我們都會覺得你們這樣做的再給他延長好奇怪喔那對不起本來這次我看到公平會所有的人事因為有一一大本嘛其實我覺得看起來因為你們很多還是在繼續的這個續任而且也大部分都有一定的專長\n\n11\n00:03:46,357 --> 00:04:08,337\n可是如果在這個案子裡面違反社會期待違反現在所有各面相所呈現出來大家擔心它的副作用那對不起你們新人事案我們就愛難同意了跟委員說明我們審查任何一個案件不會有綁架其他\n\n12\n00:04:09,458 --> 00:04:11,359\n委員會看了案情之後覺得有沒有必要\n\n13\n00:04:27,709 --> 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Eats跟Foodpanda的合併案應該在最後期限準薄期限是幾月幾號12月19號必要的時候可以延長12月19號必要時延長那一延長的話最長可以到明年的3月3月21號3月的時候主委還在認上嗎不一定\n56187\t71181\t以這一件的合併案到目前為止我們所關心的三大面向的權益包含消費者包含外送員包含商家\n72638\t80428\t這三方到目前為止我們還沒看到哪一方同意合併新人同意覺得好棒棒\n81687\t102549\t大部分你可以看到民調也好或者說法也好都是反對這個合併案所以在這邊剛才主委說公平會是委員制沒有錯我們也尊重委員會的決議但是竟然這個期限是在12月19號以現在的方方面面的\n103470\t120868\t反應來說公平會都沒有任何的理由再做延期我直接說公平會不要再用任何的理由來做延期我講了因為現在你們正好換屆主委還有其他應該還有幾位委員都是在1月31號\n122717\t145321\t所以你們應該在12月19號做成決議準博的決議別說其實在立法院裡面包含榮泰院長還有現在下台的何培山部長因為他是勞動部都已經表示反對的意思當然他們還是要去尊重公平會最後的決議所以我在這邊直接說應該做的決定\n149524\t170576\t這個是顯而易見的沒有看到哪一方面覺得因此而得利可能都會因此而受害所以公平會應該本於職權在12月19號的到期之前應該做出準博的決定不要再用任何理由來延長我覺得如果再有任何理由延長\n171616\t200568\t那麼這個因為可能跟你們的利益自己本身結合啊因為你們是到1月底結束不要用這個方式來綁架說我們今天未來在立法院整個審核人士一定要配合這個案子因為這個案子社會矚目還有直接跟主委講如果我們公平會不在12月19號法定的期限做出準博的話\n202281\t224576\t那對不起阿包含您的人事案我們都會覺得你們這樣做的再給他延長好奇怪喔那對不起本來這次我看到公平會所有的人事因為有一一大本嘛其實我覺得看起來因為你們很多還是在繼續的這個續任而且也大部分都有一定的專長\n226357\t248337\t可是如果在這個案子裡面違反社會期待違反現在所有各面相所呈現出來大家擔心它的副作用那對不起你們新人事案我們就愛難同意了跟委員說明我們審查任何一個案件不會有綁架其他\n249458\t251359\t委員會看了案情之後覺得有沒有必要\n267709\t288505\t我現在看不出任何的必要性有什麼必要性呢?需要經過委員會討論有沒有任何需要進一步了解的地方我們所有的面向都已經看到了不管是這個外送員事實上已經很明確表達反對之意啊消費者我真的沒看到哪一個在支持啊對不對\n290734\t298797\t然後桑嘉也認為這樣子對他的權益也沒有任何的幫助啊請問你們為什麼要延長所以我在這邊直接說當然我尊重公平會的委員的合意志但是這個案子社會各界關切而且顯而易見而你們的任期馬上就要屆滿1月31號屆滿\n311101\t327435\t如果而且因為你們現在啊其實跟那個什麼一樣啦我知道其實公平會是跟NCC是一樣的我們也沒有去動那個相關的這個組織法因為呢你們跟NCC一樣如果新的委員沒有就任的話現任的委員可以繼續的做下去\n328646\t348029\t但是因為公平會跟NCC不一樣就是我們不會針對你們的新的人事案因為NCC實在是太爛了那我覺得公平會過去也有你們自己的把關那我們還是會有一定的尊重但是如果這個案子到了12月19號你們還用任何理由給他延長那對不起\n349210\t355997\t公共政策的討論跟個案的審查是不同的事情我們還是要回到個案由委員獨立去審查絕對不會去綁架人事案的審查這是兩件事情\n369430\t392475\t最好你們有這樣的認知所以我在這邊是直接要求我不會問你我直接要求12月19號法定期限法定期限我沒有讓你提前法定期限做出準博不要讓這個案子繼續造成社會各界大家的疑慮這是在這邊直接的要求也不是建議也不是詢問謝謝\n","txt":"李珠瑋\n主委 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Eats跟Foodpanda的合併案應該在最後期限準薄期限是幾月幾號12月19號必要的時候可以延長12月19號必要時延長那一延長的話最長可以到明年的3月3月21號3月的時候主委還在認上嗎不一定\n以這一件的合併案到目前為止我們所關心的三大面向的權益包含消費者包含外送員包含商家\n這三方到目前為止我們還沒看到哪一方同意合併新人同意覺得好棒棒\n大部分你可以看到民調也好或者說法也好都是反對這個合併案所以在這邊剛才主委說公平會是委員制沒有錯我們也尊重委員會的決議但是竟然這個期限是在12月19號以現在的方方面面的\n反應來說公平會都沒有任何的理由再做延期我直接說公平會不要再用任何的理由來做延期我講了因為現在你們正好換屆主委還有其他應該還有幾位委員都是在1月31號\n所以你們應該在12月19號做成決議準博的決議別說其實在立法院裡面包含榮泰院長還有現在下台的何培山部長因為他是勞動部都已經表示反對的意思當然他們還是要去尊重公平會最後的決議所以我在這邊直接說應該做的決定\n這個是顯而易見的沒有看到哪一方面覺得因此而得利可能都會因此而受害所以公平會應該本於職權在12月19號的到期之前應該做出準博的決定不要再用任何理由來延長我覺得如果再有任何理由延長\n那麼這個因為可能跟你們的利益自己本身結合啊因為你們是到1月底結束不要用這個方式來綁架說我們今天未來在立法院整個審核人士一定要配合這個案子因為這個案子社會矚目還有直接跟主委講如果我們公平會不在12月19號法定的期限做出準博的話\n那對不起阿包含您的人事案我們都會覺得你們這樣做的再給他延長好奇怪喔那對不起本來這次我看到公平會所有的人事因為有一一大本嘛其實我覺得看起來因為你們很多還是在繼續的這個續任而且也大部分都有一定的專長\n可是如果在這個案子裡面違反社會期待違反現在所有各面相所呈現出來大家擔心它的副作用那對不起你們新人事案我們就愛難同意了跟委員說明我們審查任何一個案件不會有綁架其他\n委員會看了案情之後覺得有沒有必要\n我現在看不出任何的必要性有什麼必要性呢?需要經過委員會討論有沒有任何需要進一步了解的地方我們所有的面向都已經看到了不管是這個外送員事實上已經很明確表達反對之意啊消費者我真的沒看到哪一個在支持啊對不對\n然後桑嘉也認為這樣子對他的權益也沒有任何的幫助啊請問你們為什麼要延長所以我在這邊直接說當然我尊重公平會的委員的合意志但是這個案子社會各界關切而且顯而易見而你們的任期馬上就要屆滿1月31號屆滿\n如果而且因為你們現在啊其實跟那個什麼一樣啦我知道其實公平會是跟NCC是一樣的我們也沒有去動那個相關的這個組織法因為呢你們跟NCC一樣如果新的委員沒有就任的話現任的委員可以繼續的做下去\n但是因為公平會跟NCC不一樣就是我們不會針對你們的新的人事案因為NCC實在是太爛了那我覺得公平會過去也有你們自己的把關那我們還是會有一定的尊重但是如果這個案子到了12月19號你們還用任何理由給他延長那對不起\n公共政策的討論跟個案的審查是不同的事情我們還是要回到個案由委員獨立去審查絕對不會去綁架人事案的審查這是兩件事情\n最好你們有這樣的認知所以我在這邊是直接要求我不會問你我直接要求12月19號法定期限法定期限我沒有讓你提前法定期限做出準博不要讓這個案子繼續造成社會各界大家的疑慮這是在這邊直接的要求也不是建議也不是詢問謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.562 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