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00:02:56,049\n相對的在臺南他拿的就是少那還有我們從統籌分配稅收款裡頭那其實這個也是一個造成長期這個區域不均那你看就是從臺北市臺北市裡頭的650億到臺南的331億其實這一個差距非常的大\n\n10\n00:03:03,135 --> 00:03:03,775\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n11\n00:03:32,807 --> 00:03:33,087\n委員會主席委員會主席\n\n12\n00:03:49,025 --> 00:04:06,610\n我們原則上是希望能夠均衡對,單門均衡是非常重要對,那個比較短處的一些縣市我們會給予一些的一個協助和補助那這個部分當然你就是說因為一般統籌分配稅款它主要是著重在稅收的一個分層\n\n13\n00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:31,349\n那所以相對的一些直轄市或臺北市這些會分得比較多那所以在一般性補助款的部分我們希望能夠做彌補那所以這個部分我們就會針對其他一些做測算甚至於差短會給予補助那這個部分也是做一個調整那目前其實我們都是有維持一定的成長都比往年每一年都要有一個成長的比率所以都有成長\n\n14\n00:04:32,089 --> 00:04:48,701\n我想主計長我在這裡這個你來自臺南你應該非常了解本席的一個選區如果我的選區的龍水路沒有中央的預註款的話這個其實是就是這個農民的那個生活落差還有就是他們\n\n15\n00:04:49,682 --> 00:04:49,902\n委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n16\n00:05:14,719 --> 00:05:39,246\n財務支援的一個挹注那對於就是基礎建設的一個幫忙跟公共建設的一個建立這個對我們來講是有一個很大的差別那還有我們偏鄉的小學偏鄉的小學還有醫療設備這個補助所以我今天在這裡跟你探討了就是說好統籌分配的一個稅法他如果就是說我們\n\n17\n00:05:41,004 --> 00:05:41,825\n委員會主席\n\n18\n00:05:53,342 --> 00:05:54,403\n主席\n\n19\n00:06:24,263 --> 00:06:47,695\n這個部分我們也特別注意到剛剛也有委員也有指教這部分那這個部分因為一般地方的預算都是在地方制度法裡面來提那除此之外呢是透過重量綜合預算編列的部分再去做補足是這樣那現在是不是要再用另外一個預算法地方一個預算法來做一個另外的我們會再研究研究那這個重點是說\n\n20\n00:06:49,537 --> 00:06:50,698\n主計長你當然可以看到很大的一個問題你來自於臺南我就講臺南的高中職\n\n21\n00:07:08,380 --> 00:07:26,799\n到目前為止只因為差別就是十億的這十幾億而已結果我們高中子我們到現在臺南市政府還不敢把他那邊進來那怎麼辦呢因為以臺南的財力事實上沒有辦法再去負擔所以當初\n\n22\n00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:27,539\n委員會主席\n\n23\n00:07:57,399 --> 00:07:58,680\n主席主席主席\n\n24\n00:08:17,392 --> 00:08:21,074\n審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市\n\n25\n00:08:43,985 --> 00:08:45,526\n二、審查中華民國1926年度中華民國1926年度中華民國1926年度\n\n26\n00:09:03,670 --> 00:09:28,867\n這個部分因為如果以113年度來講的話因為前三季的成果是很亮麗所以這個部分我們本來在8月的時候預估是3.9那應該是會往上調那2025年的一個部分我們初估是3.26那這個部分呢因為2025它是不是受到美國川普總統這個一個回鍋的一個影響這個部分我們還是要評估因為我們必須它對於\n\n27\n00:09:30,208 --> 00:09:43,961\n您用您最直解的一個判讀,您的專業判讀的話,您認為它是會上調還是會下調?當然評估的因素非常多但是目前我們是認為真正影響會在2026,不會在2025上會在2026,而不是在2025,那您認為2026是會下調?\n\n28\n00:09:51,210 --> 00:09:51,570\n委員會主席\n\n29\n00:10:07,057 --> 00:10:32,618\n天氣變冷了所以大家愛吃火鍋那吃了火鍋大家需要有很多的一個蛋用的蛋量增加了那從這個蛋價的一個物價裡頭創了四年最低那最近就是主計總處有沒有關心到這個情形那你知道現在的蛋價就是我們不講說就是那個在末端的就是說\n\n30\n00:10:34,019 --> 00:10:59,658\n在這個大賣場裡頭每公斤每台斤應該是每台斤大概是多少錢你知道嗎?因為一般一盒這樣差不多60塊啦那如果60塊又100塊那它有不同的品質有不同的價錢嘛我就知道因為你都會上那個超市對,但是我也有在雜貨店買雜貨店一般說一斤才30幾塊\n\n31\n00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:15,146\n現在臺北還有雜貨店嗎?有有有,我們士林那邊就是很多都是雜貨店,然後它一斤才30幾塊一斤才30幾塊,那這一個單價的一個波動,你有沒有什麼比較好的一個因應的方式?\n\n32\n00:11:15,714 --> 00:11:32,053\n那事實上它整個波動是因為要看供需啦如果說第一個所以供需的一個調整是很重要的一個因素所以你認為就不會再跌了因為如果說你供給量很大它是一定跌的\n\n33\n00:11:32,193 --> 00:11:32,793\n主席主席\n\n34\n00:12:02,413 --> 00:12:23,670\n那後續的評估會不會再延?這個很重要喔這個部份它是物價小組每一次都有在做評對然後在做決定會不會再延?因為顯然1月20號如果川普那個上台的話我想這個整個那個全世界的經濟會做很大的一個波動那你這一個\n\n35\n00:12:24,751 --> 00:12:40,236\n這一個就是這一個會延不會延其實是關係到很大的一個營務料的一個我們市場的一個問題你看我們所有那個我們的畜牧業我們都需要養障就是那個小麥所以你也沒有把握他會不會延還是你可以透露一點\n\n36\n00:12:48,140 --> 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物價小組每一次都有在做評對然後在做決定會不會再延?因為顯然1月20號如果川普那個上台的話我想這個整個那個全世界的經濟會做很大的一個波動那你這一個\n這一個就是這一個會延不會延其實是關係到很大的一個營務料的一個我們市場的一個問題你看我們所有那個我們的畜牧業我們都需要養障就是那個小麥所以你也沒有把握他會不會延還是你可以透露一點\n主席主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.470 --> 00:00.490\n請陳主計長\n\n00:08.686 --> 00:29.335\n主計長、委員好是,辛苦今天就是針對進入到第一頁針對的就是我們主計總處2025年的施政計畫跟主計長做一些探討因為你們編列的一般補助款還有就是\n\n00:30.875 --> 00:50.050\n第二點的統計調查業務我想主計長在這裡2025年的一般事務性的一個補助款那事實上這些補助款就是說如果我們用那個調整地方的一個財政的營需還有提升地方財政的一個自主\n\n00:50.931 --> 01:15.389\n那現在我們就是編列了一般性的一個補助2501億相較2024年度增加了199億大概增加了8.6%那我想你這一些補助款你大概是會用在哪些就是用在縣市的一個限職人員的待遇調整經費以外你還會用在哪些那個\n\n01:16.650 --> 01:31.324\n方面我要跟委員報告的就是說一般性補助款其實必須要跟統籌分配稅款一起來談統籌分配稅款他是比較著重在直轄市然後一般性的補助款比較著重在縣市\n\n01:32.686 --> 01:47.865\n主要是補助基本財政收支差短如果現時基本財政收支有差短我們優先補助第二個在定額補助的部分我們會針對教育、社福、基本設施這些去做設算\n\n01:48.686 --> 02:07.406\n例如說它有一低收入戶的人口或者這些有一些什麼基本設施或者公共設施的一個一個面積去做生算那這樣子的部分我們會做一個分配主席長那我們就納進來就是統籌分配稅收我們跟補助的稅收我們一起來談\n\n02:10.187 --> 02:36.032\n從這張圖表裡我們可以看到縣市政府重要指標的查詢我們看到2023年直轄市跟縣市的補助跟協助的收入這裡頭顯然很明顯我們看得到臺北市其實在統籌分配的稅收裡頭他拿到了很多\n\n02:38.833 --> 02:56.049\n相對的在臺南他拿的就是少那還有我們從統籌分配稅收款裡頭那其實這個也是一個造成長期這個區域不均那你看就是從臺北市臺北市裡頭的650億到臺南的331億其實這一個差距非常的大\n\n03:03.135 --> 03:03.775\n委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n03:32.807 --> 03:33.087\n委員會主席委員會主席\n\n03:49.025 --> 04:06.610\n我們原則上是希望能夠均衡對,單門均衡是非常重要對,那個比較短處的一些縣市我們會給予一些的一個協助和補助那這個部分當然你就是說因為一般統籌分配稅款它主要是著重在稅收的一個分層\n\n04:07.250 --> 04:31.349\n那所以相對的一些直轄市或臺北市這些會分得比較多那所以在一般性補助款的部分我們希望能夠做彌補那所以這個部分我們就會針對其他一些做測算甚至於差短會給予補助那這個部分也是做一個調整那目前其實我們都是有維持一定的成長都比往年每一年都要有一個成長的比率所以都有成長\n\n04:32.089 --> 04:48.701\n我想主計長我在這裡這個你來自臺南你應該非常了解本席的一個選區如果我的選區的龍水路沒有中央的預註款的話這個其實是就是這個農民的那個生活落差還有就是他們\n\n04:49.682 --> 04:49.902\n委員會委員會委員會委員會\n\n05:14.719 --> 05:39.246\n財務支援的一個挹注那對於就是基礎建設的一個幫忙跟公共建設的一個建立這個對我們來講是有一個很大的差別那還有我們偏鄉的小學偏鄉的小學還有醫療設備這個補助所以我今天在這裡跟你探討了就是說好統籌分配的一個稅法他如果就是說我們\n\n05:41.004 --> 05:41.825\n委員會主席\n\n05:53.342 --> 05:54.403\n主席\n\n06:24.263 --> 06:47.695\n這個部分我們也特別注意到剛剛也有委員也有指教這部分那這個部分因為一般地方的預算都是在地方制度法裡面來提那除此之外呢是透過重量綜合預算編列的部分再去做補足是這樣那現在是不是要再用另外一個預算法地方一個預算法來做一個另外的我們會再研究研究那這個重點是說\n\n06:49.537 --> 06:50.698\n主計長你當然可以看到很大的一個問題你來自於臺南我就講臺南的高中職\n\n07:08.380 --> 07:26.799\n到目前為止只因為差別就是十億的這十幾億而已結果我們高中子我們到現在臺南市政府還不敢把他那邊進來那怎麼辦呢因為以臺南的財力事實上沒有辦法再去負擔所以當初\n\n07:27.399 --> 07:27.539\n委員會主席\n\n07:57.399 --> 07:58.680\n主席主席主席\n\n08:17.392 --> 08:21.074\n審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部新北市\n\n08:43.985 --> 08:45.526\n二、審查中華民國1926年度中華民國1926年度中華民國1926年度\n\n09:03.670 --> 09:28.867\n這個部分因為如果以113年度來講的話因為前三季的成果是很亮麗所以這個部分我們本來在8月的時候預估是3.9那應該是會往上調那2025年的一個部分我們初估是3.26那這個部分呢因為2025它是不是受到美國川普總統這個一個回鍋的一個影響這個部分我們還是要評估因為我們必須它對於\n\n09:30.208 --> 09:43.961\n您用您最直解的一個判讀,您的專業判讀的話,您認為它是會上調還是會下調?當然評估的因素非常多但是目前我們是認為真正影響會在2026,不會在2025上會在2026,而不是在2025,那您認為2026是會下調?\n\n09:51.210 --> 09:51.570\n委員會主席\n\n10:07.057 --> 10:32.618\n天氣變冷了所以大家愛吃火鍋那吃了火鍋大家需要有很多的一個蛋用的蛋量增加了那從這個蛋價的一個物價裡頭創了四年最低那最近就是主計總處有沒有關心到這個情形那你知道現在的蛋價就是我們不講說就是那個在末端的就是說\n\n10:34.019 --> 10:59.658\n在這個大賣場裡頭每公斤每台斤應該是每台斤大概是多少錢你知道嗎?因為一般一盒這樣差不多60塊啦那如果60塊又100塊那它有不同的品質有不同的價錢嘛我就知道因為你都會上那個超市對,但是我也有在雜貨店買雜貨店一般說一斤才30幾塊\n\n11:01.039 --> 11:15.146\n現在臺北還有雜貨店嗎?有有有,我們士林那邊就是很多都是雜貨店,然後它一斤才30幾塊一斤才30幾塊,那這一個單價的一個波動,你有沒有什麼比較好的一個因應的方式?\n\n11:15.714 --> 11:32.053\n那事實上它整個波動是因為要看供需啦如果說第一個所以供需的一個調整是很重要的一個因素所以你認為就不會再跌了因為如果說你供給量很大它是一定跌的\n\n11:32.193 --> 11:32.793\n主席主席\n\n12:02.413 --> 12:23.670\n那後續的評估會不會再延?這個很重要喔這個部份它是物價小組每一次都有在做評對然後在做決定會不會再延?因為顯然1月20號如果川普那個上台的話我想這個整個那個全世界的經濟會做很大的一個波動那你這一個\n\n12:24.751 --> 12:40.236\n這一個就是這一個會延不會延其實是關係到很大的一個營務料的一個我們市場的一個問題你看我們所有那個我們的畜牧業我們都需要養障就是那個小麥所以你也沒有把握他會不會延還是你可以透露一點\n\n12:48.140 --> 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仔還是這些橘子、柳丁，如果農路不順的話，甚至這個價錢也會變得很差。所以我們也希望這個財務資源的挹注，對於基礎建設的幫忙，跟公共建設的建立，對我們來講是有很大的差別，還有我們偏鄉的小學，還有醫療設備補助，所以我今天在這裡跟你探討，就是統籌分配稅款，如果我們沒有照一定的比例來看的話，如果這個財劃法實施下去的話，對地方其實該給的給了太多，應該是講不該給的給了太多了，該給的拿不到，所以這個會造成地方很大的掏空。尤其地方的預算法，我們看看地方的預算法，第九十六條第一項就是關於地方政府的預算，你給它錢了，它是不是有相對的法律上的編列呢？這一點你們有沒有去注意到？"],["陳主計長淑姿：這個部分我們也特別注意到，剛剛也有委員指教這部分，這個部分因為一般地方的預算，都是在地方制度法裡面來提，除此之外，透過中央預算編列的部分再去補足。"],["賴委員惠員：那你有沒有去督促它呢？"],["陳主計長淑姿：現在是不是要再用另外一個預算法，地方一個預算法來做另外規定……"],["賴委員惠員：你有在準備嗎？"],["陳主計長淑姿：這我們會再研究。"],["賴委員惠員：在研究了？"],["陳主計長淑姿：這個重點在於因為目前提出來的版本，財劃法的修改就是只把財源劃分給地方，但是相關的事權沒有跟著去做調整，所以這樣的結果會造成地方變成支出浮濫……"],["賴委員惠員：主計長，你當然可以看到很大的問題，你來自於臺南，我就講臺南的高中職，到目前為止只因為差別就是10億，這十幾億而已，結果我們高中職，我們到現在臺南市政府，還不敢把它納編進來，那怎麼辦呢？"],["陳主計長淑姿：因為以臺南的財力，事實上沒有辦法再去負擔，所以當初這個部分，我們一直沒有承接國立高中職，所以它一直還留在中央，那其他六都的部分都已經接回去了。"],["賴委員惠員：所以你現在當了主計長，應該幫臺南市想想辦法，十幾億啊！這個也跟主計長做這樣的一個建議。"],["陳主計長淑姿：是。"],["賴委員惠員：好，再來，就是經濟上的預測，從我們經濟的成長率裡頭，我們看到台經院最新的經濟預測預估，就是它覺得明年經濟成長率會下降，可能會到3.15%，可是基本上我們今年是好過年，它預測會上修到4.03%。","主計長，不管是出口還是進口的商品都讓我們看到了在2025年的經濟是會下修的。再來，我們看到主計總處也預測今年的經濟成長率是3.90%，2025年經濟成長率是3.26%，其實我們從這個數字都知道明年會稍微下降一點，還有美國總統川普回鍋的這一些因素，都會導致於明年經濟成長到底是會上調，還是會下調，你的看法呢？"],["陳主計長淑姿：這個部分如果以113年度來講的話，因為前三季的成果是很亮麗，所以這個部分，我們本來在8月的時候預估是3.9%，那應該是會往上調。2025年的部分，我們初估是3.26%，因為2025是不是會受到美國川普總統回鍋的影響，這個部分我們還是要評估，因為我們必須對於關稅相關的政策……"],["賴委員惠員：你用你最直覺的判讀，你的專業判讀的話，你認為它是會上調，還是會下調？當然評估的因素非常多啦！"],["陳主計長淑姿：但是目前我們是認為，真正的影響會在2026年，不會在2025年。"],["賴委員惠員：會在2026年，而不是在2025年？"],["陳主計長淑姿：是。"],["賴委員惠員：你認為2026年是會下調？"],["陳主計長淑姿：這個部分也是還在評估，因為這種統計的估算……"],["賴委員惠員：不是啊！那是上還是下呢？那就是絕大部分你們……"],["陳主計長淑姿：這個條件如果在變動的話，因為評估也會隨時做變動，所以這個部分我也沒辦法跟你說應該是上調還是下調。"],["賴委員惠員：好，主計長，天氣變冷了，大家愛吃火鍋，吃火鍋的時候需要用很多的蛋，用的蛋量增加了，蛋價創了4年最低，最近主計總處有沒有關心到這個情形？你知道現在的蛋價，我們不講那個在末端的，在大賣場裡頭每台斤大概是多少錢，你知道嗎？"],["陳主計長淑姿：因為一般一盒差不多60塊。"],["賴委員惠員：90塊。"],["陳主計長淑姿：60塊，也有100塊的。"],["賴委員惠員：對。"],["陳主計長淑姿：它有分類，不同的品質。"],["賴委員惠員：它有不同的品質，有不同的價錢。"],["陳主計長淑姿：對，不同的價錢。"],["賴委員惠員：我知道因為你都會上超市。"],["陳主計長淑姿：對，但是我也有在雜貨店買，雜貨店一般一斤才三十幾塊。"],["賴委員惠員：現在臺北還有雜貨店嗎？"],["陳主計長淑姿：對，有。"],["賴委員惠員：還有？"],["陳主計長淑姿：我們士林那邊很多都是雜貨店，然後一斤才三十幾塊。"],["賴委員惠員：一斤才三十幾塊，對於這個蛋價的波動，你有沒有什麼比較好的因應方式？"],["陳主計長淑姿：事實上它整個波動是因為要看供需，所以供需的調整是很重要的因素。"],["賴委員惠員：所以你認為不會再跌了？這個也是……"],["陳主計長淑姿：因為如果供給量很大，它是一定跌的。"],["賴委員惠員：那量夠不夠呢？請你密切去注意這個問題。"],["陳主計長淑姿：是。"],["賴委員惠員：最後再請教主計長，我們行政院從2021年開始實施關鍵原物料，黃豆、小麥、玉米，就是黃小玉這個關鍵原物料的稅負減徵措施。今年的9月已經延長到第13波了，預計會實施到今年底，那後續的評估會不會再延？這個很重要喔！"],["陳主計長淑姿：這個部分是物價小組每一次都有在做評估，然後再做決定……"],["賴委員惠員：對，會不會再延？因為1月20號川普上台之後，我想全世界的經濟顯然會有很大的波動，這個措施會延不會延，其實是關係到很大的原物料市場的問題。"],["陳主計長淑姿：是。"],["賴委員惠員：你看我們的畜牧業，我們都需要仰仗小麥。"],["陳主計長淑姿：因為我們也會參與，我們也會參與討論，物價小組裡面，我們是成員之一，這個部分……"],["賴委員惠員：所以你也沒有把握它會不會延，還是你可以透露一點？"],["陳主計長淑姿：這我也不敢透露，因為不是我主導的。"],["賴委員惠員：你也不敢講？"],["陳主計長淑姿：是，謝謝委員。"],["賴委員惠員：好，我們是希望延啦！"],["陳主計長淑姿：原則上我會把委員的意思來轉達。"],["賴委員惠員：就是經濟上會比較穩定一點。"],["陳主計長淑姿：是，謝謝。"],["賴委員惠員：好，謝謝，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝，下一位質詢請陳培瑜委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":170,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-10","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","顏寬恒","陳玉珍","王鴻薇","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王世堅","羅明才","黃國昌","楊瓊瓔","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","葉元之","黃珊珊","李彥秀"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-28"],"gazette_id":"11310702","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310702_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並\n備質詢；二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審\n計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計\n處、審計部高雄市審計處部分；三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市\n政府。調整軍公教人員待遇準備。災害準備金。第二預備金","agenda_id":"11310702_00001"}}}