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00:00:38,743\n委員長主委主委好主委我想今年有陸續有好幾個颱風造成屏東的一些基礎建設的一個嚴重的受損尤其是我們這個11月份的三坨爾很多屏東的所長燒得迷迷茫茫那我想請教主委因為現在屏東縣提出大概有104件的負災工程總預算大概2.41億那這部分目前我們已經報到工程會那不曉得這個目前處理的進度到哪裡\n\n3\n00:00:39,443 --> 00:00:50,606\n好,跟我們報告,屏東就兩個颱風一個凱米一個山陀爾嘛,凱米那時候合了144件,總經費5.38億,那麼縣府現在在規劃設計發包中,那這部分是確定的,就是縣府來發包。山陀爾的部分有提了104件,總經費2.4億,那預計在12月2號工程會會來審議。\n\n4\n00:01:04,389 --> 00:01:19,693\n那我們會盡速來完成這個事業。對,主委這點還是要特別拜託您,因為我們的鄉親現在尤其我們像訪寮那個提案破了一個大洞,現在是先用緊急用消防快跟這個太空包先動起來,但是大家也會歡樂,後面的現在極端氣候的天候狀況,\n\n5\n00:01:22,674 --> 00:01:48,143\n真的沒辦法把握說什麼時候會再造成很大的一個災損所以大家都希望我們能夠加快來核定盡快來施工這部分因為我知道我們公共工程委員會這邊也很用心但是這個部分後續能不能再把這個時程再壓縮因為像我們現在十九分發生的嘛到12月2號審查然後再來這個要發佈這個程序上要拖久了各位後續有沒有辦法再把這個時間再壓縮快一點\n\n6\n00:01:50,399 --> 00:02:18,242\n目前工程會的做法就是說會親自到現場各單位在審議之前就會去看了基本上就可以大致確定說要核多少然後審議就很快所以我們會在12月2號這一天就迅速來完成當然也希望縣政府在經費核發之後能夠進行設計發包的作業來改善相關的災損\n\n7\n00:02:20,093 --> 00:02:48,101\n呃,主委我想這個縣政府這邊也責無旁貸,我們也會請縣政府這邊加速從這個討論這個設計的程序先做完了。不過就是說因為我們現在這次的復建的需求有涵蓋了道路、橋樑跟水利設施。我真的要注意這陣子,前陣子去有些縣市勘災的時候,除了針對災損的一個復建工程之外,也有特別提到我們一個防災韌性跟超前規劃的一些自身防洪也好,這個\n\n8\n00:02:50,221 --> 00:02:57,486\n水利的問題也好。將對屏東的保護人員有沒有什麼特別的這個能夠再幫忙屏東縣政府來做這樣子一個規劃的部分。\n\n9\n00:03:00,216 --> 00:03:24,057\n這個報告委員因為水利署也非常用心那過去幾年下來的水利設施治水的一些計畫都已經有一定的效果了所以有時候是極端氣候那麼即降雨或者是豪大雨那當然過去的設施排水設施可能量能不足導致會淹水但是我們希望將來的水利\n\n10\n00:03:24,818 --> 00:03:25,919\n委員會主管通訊傳播監委員會主管通訊傳播監\n\n11\n00:03:51,460 --> 00:04:18,495\n一淹水地區的農田或公園等等希望在設計上或是計畫上能夠分擔一點滯洪功能來減少道路或民房的淹水所以將來經濟部水利署這方面會根據院長的指示來朝調適然後分洪這樣的概念來做新的一些水利設施\n\n12\n00:04:19,782 --> 00:04:37,678\n主委這一點齁因為我們屏東這個幅員遼闊而且我們這個從這個山區齁很多都是第三區這個一個有可能一年的雨量給你兩三天給你落後啦齁所以從山區下來會經過我們一些保安林地也好一些山坡地甚至台塘的農田\n\n13\n00:04:38,519 --> 00:05:06,433\n若來到我們的品地的時候,雨量真的非常非常的大。剛剛主委講得很好,就是說我們未來也希望針對跨部會的一個整合,把這個所謂的一個治山防洪的部分也好,還有包含這個我們區排甚至農田水利署的一個灌溉的排水,然後整個能夠來做一個盤點,把這個整個治水的這個部分能夠把它做一個有效的一個處理,這樣可以減少水患的一個機會。這部分\n\n14\n00:05:08,274 --> 00:05:14,136\n委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會\n\n15\n00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:33,361\n關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監\n\n16\n00:06:02,609 --> 00:06:21,182\n委員好主任我想上次我有在問那個交通部分先就是說因為我們這個颱風期間造成一個停電的問題其實造成我們這個基地台通訊幾乎都中斷那這個比較麻煩的就是說像我們這個很多的鄉鎮公所\n\n17\n00:06:21,963 --> 00:06:42,879\n它本身是指揮中心,結果因為停電的關係,通訊不良,所以造成很多的指揮的工作,面臨很大的一個挑戰。交通部這邊有允諾要協助,請中央電信來幫忙,但是我們有發現林邊鄉有做了一個高抗災的一個基地台,有發揮一定的效果。\n\n18\n00:06:43,379 --> 00:07:10,332\n那未來我們NCC是不是可以協調我們相關的電信業者針對像屏東這樣子一個容易受風災影響的區域也當然來強化這個通訊的一個品質然後提升一個救災的一個能量目前那個高抗災這部分主要是數位部那邊在處理不過那個委員的這個指示我會請我們同仁可能在這個主要這些容易易受災地區再檢討一下然後把這個資料再交給那個數位部電信業者部分就要麻煩你們來幫忙來溝通\n\n19\n00:07:12,253 --> 00:07:32,267\n因為這個確實是對我們這個災害的時候發生很大的一個作用這是將來可能會更更這種情況會更多那主委那那我想針對最近那個詐騙集團會利用所謂的一個網路電話的一個詐騙的一個行徑也非常的囂張那目前我們NCC有沒有做什麼樣一個防範作為\n\n20\n00:07:33,708 --> 00:08:00,829\n謝謝委員提醒這個問題最近我們是確實有發現有兩個案例已經有利用網路電話的這個情況所以目前我們已經在修我們的號碼管理辦法將來的除了說他自己是自己供自己企業裡面內部用的之外其他如果說假設你是要收攏那個網際網路來的這些訊幕的話然後你要用要銜接到那個公共電信網路就這一塊的話我們會跟蘇維波裡面再協調\n\n21\n00:08:01,670 --> 00:08:22,621\n也在修改號碼管理辦法,將來這些業者都必須要申請07.0現在上有政策下有對策,照編集團他們的手法日新月異,你們提了一個新的政策,他馬上就變了一個方式來處理這份請委員放心,我們在修改法令的同時,我們有相關的政策也已經請第1業者在配合了\n\n22\n00:08:23,018 --> 00:08:38,263\n不過這部分因為我們也是擔心現在尤其鄉下很多老人家被詐騙的情形非常的嚴重所以針對相關的一些宣導作為應該要結合我們相關的部會一起到針對這個偏鄉部會應該加強一個宣導我們利用各種途徑要加強宣導\n\n23\n00:08:39,324 --> 00:08:53,485\n對,因為這個我們很擔心這個老人家,真的就是被詐騙的一個罪狀。我們除了宣導之外,其實也有其他一些措施,比如說請業者就針對利用這個AI的這個偵測系統,或者是說一些簡訊部分的話,我們也事先攔阻。\n\n24\n00:08:54,546 --> 00:09:09,126\n主委那最後因為12月1號我們委員剩下三位嘛那我們還是很擔心整個NCC的業務會不會受到影響那這部分主委這邊跟我們下班的同仁有沒有什麼樣的疑問作為我們昨天也有跟委員\n\n25\n00:09:09,907 --> 00:09:28,202\n委員我們那個委員會議結束之後也跟三位委員我們三位也做了一次檢討那在既有的58項業務部分當然我們那個本來就可以不一定要經過委員會議的這我們會更去進行那另外在104項業務部分的話我們委員也相當負責任也就是說你104項業務如果假設有個別業務產生的話那雖然我們會開所謂的之一會議\n\n26\n00:09:33,866 --> 00:09:41,856\n最後可能沒有辦法去做最後的決定但是是不是一定要到這種程序我們三位委員到時候會再做一次的過濾就104項業務的部分\n\n27\n00:09:45,947 --> 00:10:14,803\n但是我想我們也不能因為現在人委員減少所以造成這些民生的一些問題甚至這些詐騙的案件這個變成我們查緝不利這個不能拿這個當藉口啦所以這個部分怎麼樣去做最有力的一個人力的一個調適要請主秘這邊真的要加油啦我們全會同仁一定會盡力不管有沒有法令所有這些在沒有法令的情形底下相關措施我們還是會進行好好謝謝\n\n28\n00:10:17,493 --> 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那個數位部電信業者部分就要麻煩你們來幫忙來溝通\n因為這個確實是對我們這個災害的時候發生很大的一個作用這是將來可能會更更這種情況會更多那主委那那我想針對最近那個詐騙集團會利用所謂的一個網路電話的一個詐騙的一個行徑也非常的囂張那目前我們NCC有沒有做什麼樣一個防範作為\n謝謝委員提醒這個問題最近我們是確實有發現有兩個案例已經有利用網路電話的這個情況所以目前我們已經在修我們的號碼管理辦法將來的除了說他自己是自己供自己企業裡面內部用的之外其他如果說假設你是要收攏那個網際網路來的這些訊幕的話然後你要用要銜接到那個公共電信網路就這一塊的話我們會跟蘇維波裡面再協調\n也在修改號碼管理辦法,將來這些業者都必須要申請07.0現在上有政策下有對策,照編集團他們的手法日新月異,你們提了一個新的政策,他馬上就變了一個方式來處理這份請委員放心,我們在修改法令的同時,我們有相關的政策也已經請第1業者在配合了\n不過這部分因為我們也是擔心現在尤其鄉下很多老人家被詐騙的情形非常的嚴重所以針對相關的一些宣導作為應該要結合我們相關的部會一起到針對這個偏鄉部會應該加強一個宣導我們利用各種途徑要加強宣導\n對,因為這個我們很擔心這個老人家,真的就是被詐騙的一個罪狀。我們除了宣導之外,其實也有其他一些措施,比如說請業者就針對利用這個AI的這個偵測系統,或者是說一些簡訊部分的話,我們也事先攔阻。\n主委那最後因為12月1號我們委員剩下三位嘛那我們還是很擔心整個NCC的業務會不會受到影響那這部分主委這邊跟我們下班的同仁有沒有什麼樣的疑問作為我們昨天也有跟委員\n委員我們那個委員會議結束之後也跟三位委員我們三位也做了一次檢討那在既有的58項業務部分當然我們那個本來就可以不一定要經過委員會議的這我們會更去進行那另外在104項業務部分的話我們委員也相當負責任也就是說你104項業務如果假設有個別業務產生的話那雖然我們會開所謂的之一會議\n最後可能沒有辦法去做最後的決定但是是不是一定要到這種程序我們三位委員到時候會再做一次的過濾就104項業務的部分\n但是我想我們也不能因為現在人委員減少所以造成這些民生的一些問題甚至這些詐騙的案件這個變成我們查緝不利這個不能拿這個當藉口啦所以這個部分怎麼樣去做最有力的一個人力的一個調適要請主秘這邊真的要加油啦我們全會同仁一定會盡力不管有沒有法令所有這些在沒有法令的情形底下相關措施我們還是會進行好好謝謝\n謝謝徐富奎委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.209 --> 00:02.272\n主席好我們有請工程會陳主委請陳主委\n\n00:10.618 --> 00:38.743\n委員長主委主委好主委我想今年有陸續有好幾個颱風造成屏東的一些基礎建設的一個嚴重的受損尤其是我們這個11月份的三坨爾很多屏東的所長燒得迷迷茫茫那我想請教主委因為現在屏東縣提出大概有104件的負災工程總預算大概2.41億那這部分目前我們已經報到工程會那不曉得這個目前處理的進度到哪裡\n\n00:39.443 --> 00:50.606\n好,跟我們報告,屏東就兩個颱風一個凱米一個山陀爾嘛,凱米那時候合了144件,總經費5.38億,那麼縣府現在在規劃設計發包中,那這部分是確定的,就是縣府來發包。山陀爾的部分有提了104件,總經費2.4億,那預計在12月2號工程會會來審議。\n\n01:04.389 --> 01:19.693\n那我們會盡速來完成這個事業。對,主委這點還是要特別拜託您,因為我們的鄉親現在尤其我們像訪寮那個提案破了一個大洞,現在是先用緊急用消防快跟這個太空包先動起來,但是大家也會歡樂,後面的現在極端氣候的天候狀況,\n\n01:22.674 --> 01:48.143\n真的沒辦法把握說什麼時候會再造成很大的一個災損所以大家都希望我們能夠加快來核定盡快來施工這部分因為我知道我們公共工程委員會這邊也很用心但是這個部分後續能不能再把這個時程再壓縮因為像我們現在十九分發生的嘛到12月2號審查然後再來這個要發佈這個程序上要拖久了各位後續有沒有辦法再把這個時間再壓縮快一點\n\n01:50.399 --> 02:18.242\n目前工程會的做法就是說會親自到現場各單位在審議之前就會去看了基本上就可以大致確定說要核多少然後審議就很快所以我們會在12月2號這一天就迅速來完成當然也希望縣政府在經費核發之後能夠進行設計發包的作業來改善相關的災損\n\n02:20.093 --> 02:48.101\n呃,主委我想這個縣政府這邊也責無旁貸,我們也會請縣政府這邊加速從這個討論這個設計的程序先做完了。不過就是說因為我們現在這次的復建的需求有涵蓋了道路、橋樑跟水利設施。我真的要注意這陣子,前陣子去有些縣市勘災的時候,除了針對災損的一個復建工程之外,也有特別提到我們一個防災韌性跟超前規劃的一些自身防洪也好,這個\n\n02:50.221 --> 02:57.486\n水利的問題也好。將對屏東的保護人員有沒有什麼特別的這個能夠再幫忙屏東縣政府來做這樣子一個規劃的部分。\n\n03:00.216 --> 03:24.057\n這個報告委員因為水利署也非常用心那過去幾年下來的水利設施治水的一些計畫都已經有一定的效果了所以有時候是極端氣候那麼即降雨或者是豪大雨那當然過去的設施排水設施可能量能不足導致會淹水但是我們希望將來的水利\n\n03:24.818 --> 03:25.919\n委員會主管通訊傳播監委員會主管通訊傳播監\n\n03:51.460 --> 04:18.495\n一淹水地區的農田或公園等等希望在設計上或是計畫上能夠分擔一點滯洪功能來減少道路或民房的淹水所以將來經濟部水利署這方面會根據院長的指示來朝調適然後分洪這樣的概念來做新的一些水利設施\n\n04:19.782 --> 04:37.678\n主委這一點齁因為我們屏東這個幅員遼闊而且我們這個從這個山區齁很多都是第三區這個一個有可能一年的雨量給你兩三天給你落後啦齁所以從山區下來會經過我們一些保安林地也好一些山坡地甚至台塘的農田\n\n04:38.519 --> 05:06.433\n若來到我們的品地的時候,雨量真的非常非常的大。剛剛主委講得很好,就是說我們未來也希望針對跨部會的一個整合,把這個所謂的一個治山防洪的部分也好,還有包含這個我們區排甚至農田水利署的一個灌溉的排水,然後整個能夠來做一個盤點,把這個整個治水的這個部分能夠把它做一個有效的一個處理,這樣可以減少水患的一個機會。這部分\n\n05:08.274 --> 05:14.136\n委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會\n\n05:30.620 --> 05:33.361\n關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監關於國家通訊傳播監\n\n06:02.609 --> 06:21.182\n委員好主任我想上次我有在問那個交通部分先就是說因為我們這個颱風期間造成一個停電的問題其實造成我們這個基地台通訊幾乎都中斷那這個比較麻煩的就是說像我們這個很多的鄉鎮公所\n\n06:21.963 --> 06:42.879\n它本身是指揮中心,結果因為停電的關係,通訊不良,所以造成很多的指揮的工作,面臨很大的一個挑戰。交通部這邊有允諾要協助,請中央電信來幫忙,但是我們有發現林邊鄉有做了一個高抗災的一個基地台,有發揮一定的效果。\n\n06:43.379 --> 07:10.332\n那未來我們NCC是不是可以協調我們相關的電信業者針對像屏東這樣子一個容易受風災影響的區域也當然來強化這個通訊的一個品質然後提升一個救災的一個能量目前那個高抗災這部分主要是數位部那邊在處理不過那個委員的這個指示我會請我們同仁可能在這個主要這些容易易受災地區再檢討一下然後把這個資料再交給那個數位部電信業者部分就要麻煩你們來幫忙來溝通\n\n07:12.253 --> 07:32.267\n因為這個確實是對我們這個災害的時候發生很大的一個作用這是將來可能會更更這種情況會更多那主委那那我想針對最近那個詐騙集團會利用所謂的一個網路電話的一個詐騙的一個行徑也非常的囂張那目前我們NCC有沒有做什麼樣一個防範作為\n\n07:33.708 --> 08:00.829\n謝謝委員提醒這個問題最近我們是確實有發現有兩個案例已經有利用網路電話的這個情況所以目前我們已經在修我們的號碼管理辦法將來的除了說他自己是自己供自己企業裡面內部用的之外其他如果說假設你是要收攏那個網際網路來的這些訊幕的話然後你要用要銜接到那個公共電信網路就這一塊的話我們會跟蘇維波裡面再協調\n\n08:01.670 --> 08:22.621\n也在修改號碼管理辦法,將來這些業者都必須要申請07.0現在上有政策下有對策,照編集團他們的手法日新月異,你們提了一個新的政策,他馬上就變了一個方式來處理這份請委員放心,我們在修改法令的同時,我們有相關的政策也已經請第1業者在配合了\n\n08:23.018 --> 08:38.263\n不過這部分因為我們也是擔心現在尤其鄉下很多老人家被詐騙的情形非常的嚴重所以針對相關的一些宣導作為應該要結合我們相關的部會一起到針對這個偏鄉部會應該加強一個宣導我們利用各種途徑要加強宣導\n\n08:39.324 --> 08:53.485\n對,因為這個我們很擔心這個老人家,真的就是被詐騙的一個罪狀。我們除了宣導之外,其實也有其他一些措施,比如說請業者就針對利用這個AI的這個偵測系統,或者是說一些簡訊部分的話,我們也事先攔阻。\n\n08:54.546 --> 09:09.126\n主委那最後因為12月1號我們委員剩下三位嘛那我們還是很擔心整個NCC的業務會不會受到影響那這部分主委這邊跟我們下班的同仁有沒有什麼樣的疑問作為我們昨天也有跟委員\n\n09:09.907 --> 09:28.202\n委員我們那個委員會議結束之後也跟三位委員我們三位也做了一次檢討那在既有的58項業務部分當然我們那個本來就可以不一定要經過委員會議的這我們會更去進行那另外在104項業務部分的話我們委員也相當負責任也就是說你104項業務如果假設有個別業務產生的話那雖然我們會開所謂的之一會議\n\n09:33.866 --> 09:41.856\n最後可能沒有辦法去做最後的決定但是是不是一定要到這種程序我們三位委員到時候會再做一次的過濾就104項業務的部分\n\n09:45.947 --> 10:14.803\n但是我想我們也不能因為現在人委員減少所以造成這些民生的一些問題甚至這些詐騙的案件這個變成我們查緝不利這個不能拿這個當藉口啦所以這個部分怎麼樣去做最有力的一個人力的一個調適要請主秘這邊真的要加油啦我們全會同仁一定會盡力不管有沒有法令所有這些在沒有法令的情形底下相關措施我們還是會進行好好謝謝\n\n10:17.493 --> 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