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00:02:40,054\n好那我們的人口4億人我現在就是想要請教一下因為這個禮拜在圓明會我們的預算審查我們有一項就是圓明會辦理南島相關的業務例如南島論壇\n\n8\n00:02:41,636 --> 00:02:56,389\n有些委員是很有意見的他們覺得這種外交事務呢應該要由外交部來做所以呢先把它做保留然後後續協商討論請教部長您的看法\n\n9\n00:03:00,062 --> 00:03:27,581\n臺灣是南島語系的發源地這個是很多學術研究包括現在在太平洋國家也都有這樣的一個認識我是覺得臺灣有這個原住民族是我們外交上最寶貴的資產所以在推總和外交我其中就有針對原住民外交希望能夠用一個任務編組來推動無論所大使也有兩位是原住民族的背景\n\n10\n00:03:28,481 --> 00:03:44,053\n這一次到國留去擔任總統的特使我特別推薦由園民會主委現在就是說園民會的業務很多可是他這個有個國際處能量我們只要來加強\n\n11\n00:03:44,893 --> 00:03:45,053\n主體性的問題\n\n12\n00:04:03,456 --> 00:04:29,346\n我覺得在這個部分我們很清楚知道我們南島外交的推動我們應該還是要尊重原民會原住民的一個主體性這是很重要的那我覺得像當天像以陳寅委員來講他說他去了紐西蘭結果代表處呢想要邀毛利的國會議員怎麼約都約不到但是呢陳寅委員以原住民的身份一天就搞定\n\n13\n00:04:30,566 --> 00:04:56,559\n這樣的例子非常的多因為他們是真的把我們當成是一家人其實他們對華人還是有一些戒慎恐懼所以我覺得這個部分我希望說我們的外交體系大部分可能都是以西方文化來建構缺乏南島文化為主體的關係但是我想部長您在這個位置上我已經看到有很多的改變希望你繼續努力但是我要提醒\n\n14\n00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:12,823\n因為中國正在有意識的滲透要掠奪南島起源的權勢來弱化台灣的主體性我們看到很多的影音抖音被邀請這些年輕人他們已經不再是\n\n15\n00:05:13,303 --> 00:05:29,737\n天然綠喔自然獨喔他們很多的年輕人開始會去那個地方交流就說出這樣的話我們台灣少數民族也是有根的我們的根在福建是從福建東南沿海遷徙到台灣的這樣的言論在年輕人越來越多在這個世代我們也可以看到他們辦的海峽論壇他們有特別一個叫做南島語族文化學術論壇\n\n16\n00:05:41,366 --> 00:06:07,706\n所以這樣的一個意圖讓我們感到很憂心所以我之前我有特別提出我希望外交部要盤點原住民族的外交官也要去做人才的培育那未來這些重點的區域的派駐原住民外交人才的可行性我希望能夠開始去思考那另外剛才您有說邀訪是最好的\n\n17\n00:06:08,166 --> 00:06:21,516\n一種形式所以我之前也有說要辦理例如像南太平洋運動會來串聯我們的南太平洋的友邦那另外呢我也希望這些國際組織重要會議也能夠主動的能夠邀請我們援助民主的這些人才國際人才一同的參與那我記得部長上次我說我下次還會再問喔你有對同仁們講說要記得委員還會再問喔\n\n18\n00:06:36,708 --> 00:06:58,884\n要規劃喔不能就這樣子說了不了了之喔那我不曉得說規劃進度如何有,我們有跟原民會有討論就是他們也來提案那我們來一起就是推動我有請同仁針對總和外交裡面的原住民外交要步與步之間要有一個平台\n\n19\n00:06:59,704 --> 00:07:23,749\n就像我們最近跟環境部針對探權在國際合作同樣跟原住民外交我們的對口就是原民會兩個會一起來推原住民外交所以除了這個活動之外其實我覺得應該全面性的其實就是說其實原住民外交其實可以作為談外交的主流化的一個主題也真的是不只是說太平洋地區你要像這一個加拿大紐澳\n\n20\n00:07:25,109 --> 00:07:46,439\n甚至歐洲的國家其實他們對原住民都當作一個主流一個主題在推動可是我們相對來講外交部這個業務是比較不是這麼主流那原民會呢他業務很多外交好像也不是他好像一個最主要的那我們兩部來合作會我想應該是可以把原住民外交推到一個新的層次\n\n21\n00:07:48,240 --> 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那我們的人口4億人我現在就是想要請教一下因為這個禮拜在圓明會我們的預算審查我們有一項就是圓明會辦理南島相關的業務例如南島論壇\n161636\t176389\t有些委員是很有意見的他們覺得這種外交事務呢應該要由外交部來做所以呢先把它做保留然後後續協商討論請教部長您的看法\n180062\t207581\t臺灣是南島語系的發源地這個是很多學術研究包括現在在太平洋國家也都有這樣的一個認識我是覺得臺灣有這個原住民族是我們外交上最寶貴的資產所以在推總和外交我其中就有針對原住民外交希望能夠用一個任務編組來推動無論所大使也有兩位是原住民族的背景\n208481\t224053\t這一次到國留去擔任總統的特使我特別推薦由園民會主委現在就是說園民會的業務很多可是他這個有個國際處 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有請部長有請部長部長好喂好剛才有提到賴總統即將要出訪我們太平洋的三個友邦請問部長您會去嗎會原民會主委會去嗎會\n那這樣很好很符合我的期待因為我覺得我們的外交工作即便是這些南島語族國家我都希望我們的主體客體都是同等重要的一起來努力那我今天其實想要跟您提一下就是我上次有幾個訴求不過我還是說一下因為以這次我們要去的國家帛琉來講\n他在202121年這個惠樹仁總統上任之後來到我們臺灣他有講了一句話讓人非常的感動他直接說帛琉的根在臺灣而且這個關係會一直延續下去非常令人感動那前幾個月呢因為有一個太平洋藝術節\n其中在大會當中主持人說的那段話也被製作成影音到處去傳我有看到對他講得很感動他說台灣是我們的母親所以\n其實不論是整個我們的南島語族分布的這些國家其實他們都有這樣的一個想法但是事實上這個主流學說它其實也是其來有自如果從物種像是構數幾乎所有的南島民族國家它都有構數\n這個就是因為帶去的種子那因為夠數它是全利用可以把我們整個做衣服也好食物也好藥品也好它其實是一個全利用的那如果說從我們的語言那更是證據很多因為我們在五官數字或者是像船我們有很多的同源詞證明我們是同一家人\n好 那我們的人口4億人我現在就是想要請教一下因為這個禮拜在圓明會我們的預算審查我們有一項就是圓明會辦理南島相關的業務例如南島論壇\n有些委員是很有意見的他們覺得這種外交事務呢應該要由外交部來做所以呢先把它做保留然後後續協商討論請教部長您的看法\n臺灣是南島語系的發源地這個是很多學術研究包括現在在太平洋國家也都有這樣的一個認識我是覺得臺灣有這個原住民族是我們外交上最寶貴的資產所以在推總和外交我其中就有針對原住民外交希望能夠用一個任務編組來推動無論所大使也有兩位是原住民族的背景\n這一次到國留去擔任總統的特使我特別推薦由園民會主委現在就是說園民會的業務很多可是他這個有個國際處 能量我們只要來加強\n主體性的問題\n我覺得在這個部分我們很清楚知道我們南島外交的推動我們應該還是要尊重原民會原住民的一個主體性這是很重要的那我覺得像當天像以陳寅委員來講他說他去了紐西蘭結果代表處呢想要邀毛利的國會議員怎麼約都約不到但是呢陳寅委員以原住民的身份一天就搞定\n這樣的例子非常的多因為他們是真的把我們當成是一家人其實他們對華人還是有一些戒慎恐懼所以我覺得這個部分我希望說我們的外交體系大部分可能都是以西方文化來建構缺乏南島文化為主體的關係但是我想部長您在這個位置上我已經看到有很多的改變希望你繼續努力但是我要提醒\n因為中國正在有意識的滲透要掠奪南島起源的權勢來弱化台灣的主體性我們看到很多的影音抖音被邀請這些年輕人他們已經不再是\n天然綠喔自然獨喔他們很多的年輕人開始會去那個地方交流就說出這樣的話我們台灣少數民族也是有根的我們的根在福建是從福建東南沿海遷徙到台灣的這樣的言論在年輕人越來越多在這個世代我們也可以看到他們辦的海峽論壇他們有特別一個叫做南島語族文化學術論壇\n所以這樣的一個意圖讓我們感到很憂心所以我之前我有特別提出我希望外交部要盤點原住民族的外交官也要去做人才的培育那未來這些重點的區域的派駐原住民外交人才的可行性我希望能夠開始去思考那另外剛才您有說邀訪是最好的\n一種形式所以我之前也有說要辦理例如像南太平洋運動會來串聯我們的南太平洋的友邦那另外呢我也希望這些國際組織重要會議也能夠主動的能夠邀請我們援助民主的這些人才國際人才一同的參與那我記得部長上次我說我下次還會再問喔你有對同仁們講說要記得委員還會再問喔\n要規劃喔不能就這樣子說了不了了之喔那我不曉得說規劃進度如何有,我們有跟原民會有討論就是他們也來提案那我們來一起就是推動我有請同仁針對總和外交裡面的原住民外交要步與步之間要有一個平台\n就像我們最近跟環境部針對探權在國際合作同樣跟原住民外交我們的對口就是原民會兩個會一起來推原住民外交所以除了這個活動之外其實我覺得應該全面性的其實就是說其實原住民外交其實可以作為談外交的主流化的一個主題也真的是不只是說太平洋地區你要像這一個加拿大紐澳\n甚至歐洲的國家其實他們對原住民都當作一個主流一個主題在推動可是我們相對來講外交部這個業務是比較不是這麼主流那原民會呢他業務很多外交好像也不是他好像一個最主要的那我們兩部來合作會我想應該是可以把原住民外交推到一個新的層次\n部長您剛剛既然有提到說有有有在規劃了齁那有沒有可能一個禮拜之內到辦公室我來瞭解一下進度因為馬上就要出訪齁這次也是我有推薦我特別有提到說原民會主委一定也是要參加那個就是府會包括總統府跟國安會都覺得這很好那就兩週後好不好或者同仁來啊\n同仁先去拜訪委員,把委員的寶貴意見先納入我們未來進一步的規劃,因為原住民主委我們的……我希望有規劃有進度,可以嗎?好,謝謝部長,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.489 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Tahovecahe委員：（12時36分）謝謝主席，有請部長。"],["主席：請部長。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：部長好。"],["林部長佳龍：委員好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：剛才有提到，賴總統即將要出訪我們太平洋的三個友邦，那請問部長，您會去嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：會。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：原民會主委會去嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：會。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。那這樣很好，很符合我的期待，因為我覺得我們的外交工作，即便是這些南島語族國家，我都希望我們的主體、客體都是同等重要的，一起來努力。","那我今天其實想要跟您提一下，就是我上次有幾個訴求，不過我還是說一下，因為以這一次我們要去的國家帛琉來講，在2021年惠恕仁總統上任之後，來到我們臺灣，他有講了一句話，讓人非常的感動。他直接說帛琉的根在臺灣，而且這個關係會一直延續下去，非常令人感動。前幾個月有一個太平洋藝術節，在大會當中主持人說的那段話，也被製作成影音，到處去傳。"],["林部長佳龍：我有看到。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員：謝謝部長，您的回答讓我們很感動，但我還是要提，這是主體性的問題。在這個部分，我們很清楚知道南島外交的推動，我們還是應該要尊重原住民的主體性，這很重要。就像當天陳瑩委員說他去紐西蘭，代表處想邀毛利的國會議員，怎麼約都約不到，但陳瑩委員以原住民的身分，一天就搞定，這樣的例子非常多，因為他們真的把我們當成是一家人，其實他們對華人還是有一些戒慎恐懼。所以在這個部分，雖然我們的外交體系，可能大部分都是以西方文化來建構，缺乏南島文化為主體的關係；但是部長在這個位置上，我已經看到很多的改變，希望你繼續努力。","不過我也要提醒，中國正在有意識的滲透，要以掠奪南島起源的詮釋，來弱化臺灣的主體性。我們看到很多影音、抖音邀請這些年輕人，他們已經不再是天然綠、自然獨，很多年輕人會開始去那個地方交流，而說出這樣的話：我們臺灣少數民族也是有根的，我們的根在福建，是從福建東南沿海遷徙到臺灣的。這樣的言論在這個世代的年輕人是越來越多；我們也可以看到他們辦的海峽論壇，特別有一個叫做南島語族文化學術論壇，這樣的一個意圖，讓我們感到很憂心。我之前也特別提出，希望外交部能盤點原住民族的外交官，也要去做人才的培育，未來對於這些重點區域的派駐，針對原住民外交人才的可行性，能夠開始去思考。","還有，您剛才說邀訪是最好的一種形式，本席之前也說過要辦理南太平洋運動會，來串聯我們的南太平洋友邦；另外，我希望這些國際組織、重要會議也能夠主動邀請我們原住民族的這些國際人才一同參與。我記得上次對部長說過：我下次還會再問！你也對同仁說：要記得，委員還會再問，所以要規劃，不能就這樣不了了之。我不曉得規劃進度如何？"],["林部長佳龍：有，我們有跟原民會討論，由他們提案，我們來一起推動。同時我也請同仁針對總合外交裡面的原住民外交，在部與部之間要有一個平台，就像我們最近跟環境部針對碳權在國際上合作；同樣跟原住民外交，我們的對口就是原民會，由兩個部會一起推原住民外交。除了這個活動之外，我覺得應該是全面性的，原住民外交其實可以作為臺灣外交主流化的一個主題，不只是太平洋地區，像加拿大、紐澳，甚至歐洲的國家，其實他們都將原住民當作一個主流、一個主題在推動；可是相對於我們來講，外交部的這個業務比較不是這麼主流；而原民會的業務也很多，外交好像也不是它最主要的。如果我們兩個部會來合作，應該可以把原住民外交推到一個新的層次。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：既然部長剛剛也提到已在規劃了，有沒有可能一個禮拜之內到辦公室……"],["林部長佳龍：我來了解一下進度，因為馬上就要出訪了。這次也是我特別推薦說原民會主委一定要參加。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：很好。"],["林部長佳龍：包括總統府跟國安會也都覺得這樣很好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那就兩週後，好不好？或者是同仁來？"],["林部長佳龍：同仁先去拜訪委員，把委員的寶貴意見先納入我們未來進一步的規劃。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我們希望有規劃、有進度，可以嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：好，我們來推動。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝部長。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員，部長請回座。","接下來，請羅廷瑋委員上台質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":150,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-19","speakers":["林憶君","羅美玲","陳冠廷","王定宇","林楚茵","馬文君","徐巧芯","賴士葆","黃國昌","楊瓊瓔","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","羅廷瑋","羅智強","邱志偉","葉元之","沈伯洋","黃仁","王鴻薇"],"page_start":97,"meetingDate":["2024-11-28"],"gazette_id":"11310701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310701_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第19次全體委員會議（含秘密會議）紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於外交部主管收支公開及機密部分（僅詢答）；二、繼續\n處理院會交付外交部113年度中央政府總預算決議（十八）「對外之捐助」預算凍結100萬元案","agenda_id":"11310701_00002"}}}