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00:02:21,066\n主任可能不記得這是你在11月13日接受泰報訪問的時候所說的那7月26日NCC的新聞稿還有媒體報導都表示相關辦法修訂後以後發布的任何手機將不再受到委員人數不足影響那粉絲剛剛也和你勸了你也說不會受影響\n\n7\n00:02:22,709 --> 00:02:41,083\n但你11月13日的時候你又說手機上市審查會受影響是,那就是因為我會受影響所以我把它從原來的因為把它從審議要點裡面那你剛剛是在質詢台上面公然說謊還是你11月13日的時候說謊是,所以委員您把11月13日跟7月26日的日期標出來因為那是經過我檢討過後才不會產生影響\n\n8\n00:02:49,670 --> 00:03:14,621\n那所以會不會受影響?不會受影響那你們看到今年5月8號的時候溫柏中說如果委員人數不足恐導致委員會不能運作可能iPhone16、17等新機認證將無法審查那26號的時候NCC是不是又做了手機的審查作業要點?因為當時就是委員會保留事項必須要從委員會保留事項裡面把它移除那iPhone16是什麼時候在台灣順利上市的?\n\n9\n00:03:18,444 --> 00:03:23,243\niPhone95年就95年我說iPhone16iPhone16\n\n10\n00:03:25,982 --> 00:03:48,637\n這不是你們NCC在處理的嗎?不是,那個委員您剛才在問的是在5月的那個10點我們翁代主委那時候是翁副主委iPhone16是在9月20號在台灣順利上市的可是主委你11月13日的時候又說了手機通訊產品聲音部分也可能無法處理是誰在鬼打牆?\n\n11\n00:03:49,684 --> 00:03:50,665\n那不是我們說的\n\n12\n00:04:04,895 --> 00:04:28,608\n那不是你們說的嗎?那你們不用處理嗎?是誰在帶方向?誰在放假消息?NCC不用出來說明嗎?呃跟委員報告這個可能我不知道這個這個太報啊他的前後文是什麼啦但是委員您剛才在說的受訪的人是祖密尼吧?我不是說謊我是我說受訪受訪受訪啊受訪是我對啊那你怎麼會不記得你那一天受訪的時候你說了什麼?\n\n13\n00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:33,441\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n14\n00:04:44,909 --> 00:05:09,454\n我們看第八點的規定我們看基地台訊號的部分那基地台的執照換補發已經歸類為案件分類授權的主管業務單位辦理並依照分層負責明細進行公文核決成績的相關就業的作業也就是說除了法律修正以外基地台其他相關的業務基本上是由各分處直接辦理即可根本也不用來提交委員會來做審議主委這個說法沒有錯吧這個沒有錯\n\n15\n00:05:11,454 --> 00:05:27,066\n因為這部分其實就是後來我們在講的那個就是委員會委員會議如果假設沒辦法召開的時候就要召開委員的資議會議那資議會議裡面啊他們所那我們換句話說那今天56NCC的委員人數是否充足都不會影響基地台的相關業務這樣說沒有錯吧\n\n16\n00:05:31,275 --> 00:05:33,056\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n\n17\n00:05:51,444 --> 00:05:55,529\n公共工程委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n18\n00:06:07,944 --> 00:06:26,076\n基地台相關業務的話包含設備進口跟基地台的架設以及基地台審驗還有執照的取得它有不同的程序設備的部分它可以進口沒有問題但是問題是它在審驗的部分我們也可以持續進行但是最後那個執照的取得部分就會受影響了\n\n19\n00:06:27,757 --> 00:06:40,987\n接下來我們看到詐騙的部分目前詐騙相關的執法細節已經大家都修法完成了那業務也都是由各區處來做負責那除非要再修訂相關的執法才會召開委員會那即使NCC委員人數不足對打擊詐騙會有影響嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:43,969 --> 00:06:49,872\n有影響比如說最簡單的就是最近我們為了網路詐騙從網際網路來的詐騙電話部分我們在修改070那個號碼管理辦法我們目前在預購當中從108年到112年增加了多少件詐騙案\n\n21\n00:07:02,365 --> 00:07:25,850\n從三萬四千多件暴增到二十二萬九千七百多件,這個增幅高達百分之五百五十七所以我們的防詐手段也一直持續在進行當中進行了什麼?打在1.5嗎?不是,那個是行政院的版本現在是2.0了第一部分的話是語音的部分、簡訊的部分\n\n22\n00:07:27,146 --> 00:07:45,943\n這個我們在持續進行當中另外的話我們後續也針對不同的這些途徑比如說網路電話我們這個也在持續進行當中這一切的措施必須要由委員會議正常進行我才有辦法進行法律的修改、政策的擬定\n\n23\n00:07:48,065 --> 00:08:02,376\n我們也看到這段時間,從108年到112年,國人看到只是NCC不作為。在過去,翁國忠還有陳耀祥,特別擔任政府主委的這段期間,交出了這個令人折舌的罰詐成績單。\n\n24\n00:08:05,531 --> 00:08:27,700\n委員這段我不同意因為我不知道從你不同意那國人同意啊不是現在比如說剛剛前面的舉委員也都有特別也有提到嘛我們的詐騙簡訊大量的減少這個就是這個就是一項一項我們努力的結果另外的話在詐騙國際語音部分主委你知道被詐騙的竟然還是呂昌行高案件數也是啊你列的不是你們是基層的員警\n\n25\n00:08:29,295 --> 00:08:40,306\n不是,是所有累的是大家,倒不是哪一個人,而是我們也要根據詐騙集團今天就是因為NCC打詐不利,還有NCC的不作為我們會持續努力\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6050\t9612\t主席主席請NCC請NCC黃竹密委員好\n18635\t40485\t總編好,總編今天有幾個問題來跟您討論根據NCC於7月26日第129次委員會議中決議修正國家通訊傳播委員會議審議事項及授權內部單位辦理事項作業要點NCC分層負責明細表委員會議議事要點及法律作業要點\n42796\t71962\t要點修正後總計58項事項將依修正規定可授權主委或是代理主委召開委員之一會議後決定請問主秘手機上市的審查是否包含這58項是這個分兩塊一塊那個手機手機如果說假設你是要申請刑事認證的話那因為在手機的那個他第一次進口的那個那個那個樣品的部分的話他要經過核准那這部分的話是我目前已經從原來的許可\n73202\t98983\t但是我這邊針對會議的審議事項還有授權內部的作業要點第7點還有第15點是規範以後發布的任何手機都不將都不會再受到委員人數不足的影響請問主席本席說的沒錯吧我們看到第7點還有第15點那接下來會不會受到影響這邊先跟主席做確認不會受到影響上次是因為我們有4位委員4位委員都夠了所以可以開委員會沒關係這邊本席接下來要唸一段話\n99864\t117763\t若第16條修正草案透過NCC委員會可能只剩下三位委員那依相關法律規定委員人數未過半無法召開委員會那在手機通訊產品還有審驗部分也可能無法處理那蘋果相關產品審驗則不受影響請問主席這段話是不是你說的\n124454\t141066\t主任可能不記得這是你在11月13日接受泰報訪問的時候所說的那7月26日NCC的新聞稿還有媒體報導都表示相關辦法修訂後以後發布的任何手機將不再受到委員人數不足影響那粉絲剛剛也和你勸了你也說不會受影響\n142709\t161083\t但你11月13日的時候你又說手機上市審查會受影響是,那就是因為我會受影響所以我把它從原來的因為把它從審議要點裡面那你剛剛是在質詢台上面公然說謊還是你11月13日的時候說謊是,所以委員您把11月13日跟7月26日的日期標出來因為那是經過我檢討過後才不會產生影響\n169670\t194621\t那所以會不會受影響?不會受影響那你們看到今年5月8號的時候溫柏中說如果委員人數不足恐導致委員會不能運作可能iPhone16、17等新機認證將無法審查那26號的時候NCC是不是又做了手機的審查作業要點?因為當時就是委員會保留事項必須要從委員會保留事項裡面把它移除那iPhone16是什麼時候在台灣順利上市的?\n198444\t203243\tiPhone95年就95年我說iPhone16iPhone16\n205982\t228637\t這不是你們NCC在處理的嗎?不是,那個委員您剛才在問的是在5月的那個10點我們翁代主委那時候是翁副主委iPhone16是在9月20號在台灣順利上市的可是主委你11月13日的時候又說了手機通訊產品聲音部分也可能無法處理是誰在鬼打牆?\n229684\t230665\t那不是我們說的\n244895\t268608\t那不是你們說的嗎?那你們不用處理嗎?是誰在帶方向?誰在放假消息?NCC不用出來說明嗎?呃 跟委員報告 這個 可能我不知道這個 這個太報啊 他的前後文是什麼啦但是委員您剛才在說的 受訪的人是祖密尼吧?我不是說謊 我是 我說受訪 受訪 受訪啊 受訪 是我對啊 那你怎麼會不記得你那一天受訪的時候你說了什麼?\n272079\t273441\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n284909\t309454\t我們看第八點的規定我們看基地台訊號的部分那基地台的執照換補發已經歸類為案件分類授權的主管業務單位辦理並依照分層負責明細進行公文核決成績的相關就業的作業也就是說除了法律修正以外基地台其他相關的業務基本上是由各分處直接辦理即可根本也不用來提交委員會來做審議主委這個說法沒有錯吧這個沒有錯\n311454\t327066\t因為這部分其實就是後來我們在講的那個就是委員會委員會議如果假設沒辦法召開的時候就要召開委員的資議會議那資議會議裡面啊他們所那我們換句話說那今天56NCC的委員人數是否充足都不會影響基地台的相關業務這樣說沒有錯吧\n331275\t333056\t關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n351444\t355529\t公共工程委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n367944\t386076\t基地台相關業務的話包含設備進口跟基地台的架設以及基地台審驗還有執照的取得它有不同的程序設備的部分它可以進口沒有問題但是問題是它在審驗的部分我們也可以持續進行但是最後那個執照的取得部分就會受影響了\n387757\t400987\t接下來我們看到詐騙的部分目前詐騙相關的執法細節已經大家都修法完成了那業務也都是由各區處來做負責那除非要再修訂相關的執法才會召開委員會那即使NCC委員人數不足對打擊詐騙會有影響嗎?\n403969\t409872\t有影響比如說最簡單的就是最近我們為了網路詐騙從網際網路來的詐騙電話部分我們在修改070那個號碼管理辦法我們目前在預購當中從108年到112年增加了多少件詐騙案\n422365\t445850\t從三萬四千多件暴增到二十二萬九千七百多件,這個增幅高達百分之五百五十七所以我們的防詐手段也一直持續在進行當中進行了什麼?打在1.5嗎?不是,那個是行政院的版本現在是2.0了第一部分的話是語音的部分、簡訊的部分\n447146\t465943\t這個我們在持續進行當中另外的話我們後續也針對不同的這些途徑比如說網路電話我們這個也在持續進行當中這一切的措施必須要由委員會議正常進行我才有辦法進行法律的修改、政策的擬定\n468065\t482376\t我們也看到這段時間,從108年到112年,國人看到只是NCC不作為。在過去,翁國忠還有陳耀祥,特別擔任政府主委的這段期間,交出了這個令人折舌的罰詐成績單。\n485531\t507700\t委員這段我不同意因為我不知道從你不同意那國人同意啊不是現在比如說剛剛前面的舉委員也都有特別也有提到嘛我們的詐騙簡訊大量的減少這個就是這個就是一項一項我們努力的結果另外的話在詐騙國際語音部分主委你知道被詐騙的竟然還是呂昌行高案件數也是啊你列的不是你們是基層的員警\n509295\t520306\t不是,是所有累的是大家,倒不是哪一個人,而是我們也要根據詐騙集團今天就是因為NCC打詐不利,還有NCC的不作為我們會持續努力\n","txt":"主席主席請NCC請NCC黃竹密委員好\n總編好,總編今天有幾個問題來跟您討論根據NCC於7月26日第129次委員會議中決議修正國家通訊傳播委員會議審議事項及授權內部單位辦理事項作業要點NCC分層負責明細表委員會議議事要點及法律作業要點\n要點修正後總計58項事項將依修正規定可授權主委或是代理主委召開委員之一會議後決定請問主秘手機上市的審查是否包含這58項是這個分兩塊一塊那個手機手機如果說假設你是要申請刑事認證的話那因為在手機的那個他第一次進口的那個那個那個樣品的部分的話他要經過核准那這部分的話是我目前已經從原來的許可\n但是我這邊針對會議的審議事項還有授權內部的作業要點第7點還有第15點是規範以後發布的任何手機都不將都不會再受到委員人數不足的影響請問主席本席說的沒錯吧我們看到第7點還有第15點那接下來會不會受到影響這邊先跟主席做確認不會受到影響上次是因為我們有4位委員4位委員都夠了所以可以開委員會沒關係這邊本席接下來要唸一段話\n若第16條修正草案透過NCC委員會可能只剩下三位委員那依相關法律規定委員人數未過半無法召開委員會那在手機通訊產品還有審驗部分也可能無法處理那蘋果相關產品審驗則不受影響請問主席這段話是不是你說的\n主任可能不記得這是你在11月13日接受泰報訪問的時候所說的那7月26日NCC的新聞稿還有媒體報導都表示相關辦法修訂後以後發布的任何手機將不再受到委員人數不足影響那粉絲剛剛也和你勸了你也說不會受影響\n但你11月13日的時候你又說手機上市審查會受影響是,那就是因為我會受影響所以我把它從原來的因為把它從審議要點裡面那你剛剛是在質詢台上面公然說謊還是你11月13日的時候說謊是,所以委員您把11月13日跟7月26日的日期標出來因為那是經過我檢討過後才不會產生影響\n那所以會不會受影響?不會受影響那你們看到今年5月8號的時候溫柏中說如果委員人數不足恐導致委員會不能運作可能iPhone16、17等新機認證將無法審查那26號的時候NCC是不是又做了手機的審查作業要點?因為當時就是委員會保留事項必須要從委員會保留事項裡面把它移除那iPhone16是什麼時候在台灣順利上市的?\niPhone95年就95年我說iPhone16iPhone16\n這不是你們NCC在處理的嗎?不是,那個委員您剛才在問的是在5月的那個10點我們翁代主委那時候是翁副主委iPhone16是在9月20號在台灣順利上市的可是主委你11月13日的時候又說了手機通訊產品聲音部分也可能無法處理是誰在鬼打牆?\n那不是我們說的\n那不是你們說的嗎?那你們不用處理嗎?是誰在帶方向?誰在放假消息?NCC不用出來說明嗎?呃 跟委員報告 這個 可能我不知道這個 這個太報啊 他的前後文是什麼啦但是委員您剛才在說的 受訪的人是祖密尼吧?我不是說謊 我是 我說受訪 受訪 受訪啊 受訪 是我對啊 那你怎麼會不記得你那一天受訪的時候你說了什麼?\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n我們看第八點的規定我們看基地台訊號的部分那基地台的執照換補發已經歸類為案件分類授權的主管業務單位辦理並依照分層負責明細進行公文核決成績的相關就業的作業也就是說除了法律修正以外基地台其他相關的業務基本上是由各分處直接辦理即可根本也不用來提交委員會來做審議主委這個說法沒有錯吧這個沒有錯\n因為這部分其實就是後來我們在講的那個就是委員會委員會議如果假設沒辦法召開的時候就要召開委員的資議會議那資議會議裡面啊他們所那我們換句話說那今天56NCC的委員人數是否充足都不會影響基地台的相關業務這樣說沒有錯吧\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n公共工程委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n基地台相關業務的話包含設備進口跟基地台的架設以及基地台審驗還有執照的取得它有不同的程序設備的部分它可以進口沒有問題但是問題是它在審驗的部分我們也可以持續進行但是最後那個執照的取得部分就會受影響了\n接下來我們看到詐騙的部分目前詐騙相關的執法細節已經大家都修法完成了那業務也都是由各區處來做負責那除非要再修訂相關的執法才會召開委員會那即使NCC委員人數不足對打擊詐騙會有影響嗎?\n有影響比如說最簡單的就是最近我們為了網路詐騙從網際網路來的詐騙電話部分我們在修改070那個號碼管理辦法我們目前在預購當中從108年到112年增加了多少件詐騙案\n從三萬四千多件暴增到二十二萬九千七百多件,這個增幅高達百分之五百五十七所以我們的防詐手段也一直持續在進行當中進行了什麼?打在1.5嗎?不是,那個是行政院的版本現在是2.0了第一部分的話是語音的部分、簡訊的部分\n這個我們在持續進行當中另外的話我們後續也針對不同的這些途徑比如說網路電話我們這個也在持續進行當中這一切的措施必須要由委員會議正常進行我才有辦法進行法律的修改、政策的擬定\n我們也看到這段時間,從108年到112年,國人看到只是NCC不作為。在過去,翁國忠還有陳耀祥,特別擔任政府主委的這段期間,交出了這個令人折舌的罰詐成績單。\n委員這段我不同意因為我不知道從你不同意那國人同意啊不是現在比如說剛剛前面的舉委員也都有特別也有提到嘛我們的詐騙簡訊大量的減少這個就是這個就是一項一項我們努力的結果另外的話在詐騙國際語音部分主委你知道被詐騙的竟然還是呂昌行高案件數也是啊你列的不是你們是基層的員警\n不是,是所有累的是大家,倒不是哪一個人,而是我們也要根據詐騙集團今天就是因為NCC打詐不利,還有NCC的不作為我們會持續努力\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.050 --> 00:09.612\n主席主席請NCC請NCC黃竹密委員好\n\n00:18.635 --> 00:40.485\n總編好,總編今天有幾個問題來跟您討論根據NCC於7月26日第129次委員會議中決議修正國家通訊傳播委員會議審議事項及授權內部單位辦理事項作業要點NCC分層負責明細表委員會議議事要點及法律作業要點\n\n00:42.796 --> 01:11.962\n要點修正後總計58項事項將依修正規定可授權主委或是代理主委召開委員之一會議後決定請問主秘手機上市的審查是否包含這58項是這個分兩塊一塊那個手機手機如果說假設你是要申請刑事認證的話那因為在手機的那個他第一次進口的那個那個那個樣品的部分的話他要經過核准那這部分的話是我目前已經從原來的許可\n\n01:13.202 --> 01:38.983\n但是我這邊針對會議的審議事項還有授權內部的作業要點第7點還有第15點是規範以後發布的任何手機都不將都不會再受到委員人數不足的影響請問主席本席說的沒錯吧我們看到第7點還有第15點那接下來會不會受到影響這邊先跟主席做確認不會受到影響上次是因為我們有4位委員4位委員都夠了所以可以開委員會沒關係這邊本席接下來要唸一段話\n\n01:39.864 --> 01:57.763\n若第16條修正草案透過NCC委員會可能只剩下三位委員那依相關法律規定委員人數未過半無法召開委員會那在手機通訊產品還有審驗部分也可能無法處理那蘋果相關產品審驗則不受影響請問主席這段話是不是你說的\n\n02:04.454 --> 02:21.066\n主任可能不記得這是你在11月13日接受泰報訪問的時候所說的那7月26日NCC的新聞稿還有媒體報導都表示相關辦法修訂後以後發布的任何手機將不再受到委員人數不足影響那粉絲剛剛也和你勸了你也說不會受影響\n\n02:22.709 --> 02:41.083\n但你11月13日的時候你又說手機上市審查會受影響是,那就是因為我會受影響所以我把它從原來的因為把它從審議要點裡面那你剛剛是在質詢台上面公然說謊還是你11月13日的時候說謊是,所以委員您把11月13日跟7月26日的日期標出來因為那是經過我檢討過後才不會產生影響\n\n02:49.670 --> 03:14.621\n那所以會不會受影響?不會受影響那你們看到今年5月8號的時候溫柏中說如果委員人數不足恐導致委員會不能運作可能iPhone16、17等新機認證將無法審查那26號的時候NCC是不是又做了手機的審查作業要點?因為當時就是委員會保留事項必須要從委員會保留事項裡面把它移除那iPhone16是什麼時候在台灣順利上市的?\n\n03:18.444 --> 03:23.243\niPhone95年就95年我說iPhone16iPhone16\n\n03:25.982 --> 03:48.637\n這不是你們NCC在處理的嗎?不是,那個委員您剛才在問的是在5月的那個10點我們翁代主委那時候是翁副主委iPhone16是在9月20號在台灣順利上市的可是主委你11月13日的時候又說了手機通訊產品聲音部分也可能無法處理是誰在鬼打牆?\n\n03:49.684 --> 03:50.665\n那不是我們說的\n\n04:04.895 --> 04:28.608\n那不是你們說的嗎?那你們不用處理嗎?是誰在帶方向?誰在放假消息?NCC不用出來說明嗎?呃跟委員報告這個可能我不知道這個這個太報啊他的前後文是什麼啦但是委員您剛才在說的受訪的人是祖密尼吧?我不是說謊我是我說受訪受訪受訪啊受訪是我對啊那你怎麼會不記得你那一天受訪的時候你說了什麼?\n\n04:32.079 --> 04:33.441\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n04:44.909 --> 05:09.454\n我們看第八點的規定我們看基地台訊號的部分那基地台的執照換補發已經歸類為案件分類授權的主管業務單位辦理並依照分層負責明細進行公文核決成績的相關就業的作業也就是說除了法律修正以外基地台其他相關的業務基本上是由各分處直接辦理即可根本也不用來提交委員會來做審議主委這個說法沒有錯吧這個沒有錯\n\n05:11.454 --> 05:27.066\n因為這部分其實就是後來我們在講的那個就是委員會委員會議如果假設沒辦法召開的時候就要召開委員的資議會議那資議會議裡面啊他們所那我們換句話說那今天56NCC的委員人數是否充足都不會影響基地台的相關業務這樣說沒有錯吧\n\n05:31.275 --> 05:33.056\n關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播\n\n05:51.444 --> 05:55.529\n公共工程委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管\n\n06:07.944 --> 06:26.076\n基地台相關業務的話包含設備進口跟基地台的架設以及基地台審驗還有執照的取得它有不同的程序設備的部分它可以進口沒有問題但是問題是它在審驗的部分我們也可以持續進行但是最後那個執照的取得部分就會受影響了\n\n06:27.757 --> 06:40.987\n接下來我們看到詐騙的部分目前詐騙相關的執法細節已經大家都修法完成了那業務也都是由各區處來做負責那除非要再修訂相關的執法才會召開委員會那即使NCC委員人數不足對打擊詐騙會有影響嗎?\n\n06:43.969 --> 06:49.872\n有影響比如說最簡單的就是最近我們為了網路詐騙從網際網路來的詐騙電話部分我們在修改070那個號碼管理辦法我們目前在預購當中從108年到112年增加了多少件詐騙案\n\n07:02.365 --> 07:25.850\n從三萬四千多件暴增到二十二萬九千七百多件,這個增幅高達百分之五百五十七所以我們的防詐手段也一直持續在進行當中進行了什麼?打在1.5嗎?不是,那個是行政院的版本現在是2.0了第一部分的話是語音的部分、簡訊的部分\n\n07:27.146 --> 07:45.943\n這個我們在持續進行當中另外的話我們後續也針對不同的這些途徑比如說網路電話我們這個也在持續進行當中這一切的措施必須要由委員會議正常進行我才有辦法進行法律的修改、政策的擬定\n\n07:48.065 --> 08:02.376\n我們也看到這段時間,從108年到112年,國人看到只是NCC不作為。在過去,翁國忠還有陳耀祥,特別擔任政府主委的這段期間,交出了這個令人折舌的罰詐成績單。\n\n08:05.531 --> 08:27.700\n委員這段我不同意因為我不知道從你不同意那國人同意啊不是現在比如說剛剛前面的舉委員也都有特別也有提到嘛我們的詐騙簡訊大量的減少這個就是這個就是一項一項我們努力的結果另外的話在詐騙國際語音部分主委你知道被詐騙的竟然還是呂昌行高案件數也是啊你列的不是你們是基層的員警\n\n08:29.295 --> 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那你怎麼會不記得你那一天受訪的時候你說了什麼?"},{"start":272.079,"end":273.441,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":284.909,"end":309.454,"text":"我們看第八點的規定我們看基地台訊號的部分那基地台的執照換補發已經歸類為案件分類授權的主管業務單位辦理並依照分層負責明細進行公文核決成績的相關就業的作業也就是說除了法律修正以外基地台其他相關的業務基本上是由各分處直接辦理即可根本也不用來提交委員會來做審議主委這個說法沒有錯吧這個沒有錯"},{"start":311.454,"end":327.066,"text":"因為這部分其實就是後來我們在講的那個就是委員會委員會議如果假設沒辦法召開的時候就要召開委員的資議會議那資議會議裡面啊他們所那我們換句話說那今天56NCC的委員人數是否充足都不會影響基地台的相關業務這樣說沒有錯吧"},{"start":331.275,"end":333.056,"text":"關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播"},{"start":351.444,"end":355.529,"text":"公共工程委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管"},{"start":367.944,"end":386.076,"text":"基地台相關業務的話包含設備進口跟基地台的架設以及基地台審驗還有執照的取得它有不同的程序設備的部分它可以進口沒有問題但是問題是它在審驗的部分我們也可以持續進行但是最後那個執照的取得部分就會受影響了"},{"start":387.757,"end":400.987,"text":"接下來我們看到詐騙的部分目前詐騙相關的執法細節已經大家都修法完成了那業務也都是由各區處來做負責那除非要再修訂相關的執法才會召開委員會那即使NCC委員人數不足對打擊詐騙會有影響嗎?"},{"start":403.969,"end":409.872,"text":"有影響比如說最簡單的就是最近我們為了網路詐騙從網際網路來的詐騙電話部分我們在修改070那個號碼管理辦法我們目前在預購當中從108年到112年增加了多少件詐騙案"},{"start":422.365,"end":445.85,"text":"從三萬四千多件暴增到二十二萬九千七百多件,這個增幅高達百分之五百五十七所以我們的防詐手段也一直持續在進行當中進行了什麼?打在1.5嗎?不是,那個是行政院的版本現在是2.0了第一部分的話是語音的部分、簡訊的部分"},{"start":447.146,"end":465.943,"text":"這個我們在持續進行當中另外的話我們後續也針對不同的這些途徑比如說網路電話我們這個也在持續進行當中這一切的措施必須要由委員會議正常進行我才有辦法進行法律的修改、政策的擬定"},{"start":468.065,"end":482.376,"text":"我們也看到這段時間,從108年到112年,國人看到只是NCC不作為。在過去,翁國忠還有陳耀祥,特別擔任政府主委的這段期間,交出了這個令人折舌的罰詐成績單。"},{"start":485.531,"end":507.7,"text":"委員這段我不同意因為我不知道從你不同意那國人同意啊不是現在比如說剛剛前面的舉委員也都有特別也有提到嘛我們的詐騙簡訊大量的減少這個就是這個就是一項一項我們努力的結果另外的話在詐騙國際語音部分主委你知道被詐騙的竟然還是呂昌行高案件數也是啊你列的不是你們是基層的員警"},{"start":509.295,"end":520.306,"text":"不是,是所有累的是大家,倒不是哪一個人,而是我們也要根據詐騙集團今天就是因為NCC打詐不利,還有NCC的不作為我們會持續努力"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":950,"blocks":[["邱委員若華：（12時27分）謝謝主席，請NCC。"],["主席：好，請NCC黃主秘。"],["黃主任秘書文哲：委員好。"],["邱委員若華：主秘好。主秘，今天有幾個問題來跟您討論。根據NCC於7月26日第1129次委員會議中決議，修正國家通訊傳播委員會議審議事項及授權內部單位辦理事項作業要點、NCC分層負責明細表、委員會議議事要點及法制作業要點。要點修正後，總計58項事項將依修正規定，可授權主委或是代理主委召開委員諮議會議後決定。請問主秘，手機上市的審查是否包含這58項？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：是，這個分兩塊。手機如果是要申請型式認證的話，因為它第一次進口的樣品要經過核准，這部分的話，我們目前已經從原來的許可制變成核准制。"],["邱委員若華：我這邊針對會議的審議事項，還有授權內部的作業要點第七點還有第十五點之規範，以後發布的任何手機都不會再受到委員人數不足影響。請問主秘，本席說的沒錯吧？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：是，沒錯。"],["邱委員若華：那接下來會不會受到影響？這邊先跟主秘做確認。"],["黃主任秘書文哲：不會。"],["邱委員若華：不會受到影響？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：上次是因為我們有4位委員，4位委員都夠了，所以可以開委員會，那……"],["邱委員若華：沒關係！這邊本席接下來要唸一段話：如果第十六條修正草案通過，NCC委員會可能只剩下3位委員，依相關法律規定，委員人數未過半，無法召開委員會。在手機及通訊產品審驗部分，也可能無法處理，但蘋果相關產品審驗則不受影響。請問主秘，這段話是不是你說的？","主秘你可能不記得，這是你在11月13日接受太報訪問的時候所說的。7月26日NCC的新聞稿，還有媒體報導都表示，相關辦法修訂後，以後發布的任何手機，將不再受到委員人數不足影響。本席剛剛也和你確認，你也說不會受影響啊！"],["黃主任秘書文哲：現在這件事情是要看……"],["邱委員若華：但11月13日的時候，你又說手機上市審查會受影響？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：那就是因為會受影響，所以我把它從原來的……因為把它從審議要點裡面……"],["邱委員若華：那你剛剛是在質詢臺上面公然說謊，還是你11月13日的時候說謊？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：是，所以委員您把11月13號跟7月26號的日期標出來，因為那是經過我檢討過後，才不會產生影響。"],["邱委員若華：那所以會不會受影響？"],["黃主任秘書文哲：現在不會受影響。"],["邱委員若華：不會受影響？我們看到，今年5月8號的時候，翁柏宗說如果委員人數不足，恐導致委員會議不能運作，可能iPhone 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