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00:00:33,544\n不過不管怎麼樣這還是一個文化交流嘛,院長支持這樣的文化交流嗎?\n\n3\n00:00:50,929 --> 00:01:16,350\n基本上來講的話故宮支持文化交流各項……所有樣的文化文化是全體人類的文化是不分任何政治意識形態的故宮張開雙手歡迎各界的人就是說不管政黨不管國籍只要他可以入境到台灣的話基本上來講都經過一個合法的程序所以我們都以客為尊對那所以院長會認為說這是一種統戰嗎\n\n4\n00:01:22,155 --> 00:01:35,275\n政治的解讀的話當然就是故宮的沒有辦法理解的啦那故宮基本上來講對任何的觀眾他們用一種非常合理的一個正常的參觀方式我們都歡迎\n\n5\n00:01:36,717 --> 00:02:04,036\n其實有接待這次參訪團的101董事長賈永傑他也講他們來玩我們來玩大家都開心不用那麼嚴肅那一樣的道理對岸的民眾或是對岸的朋友13億人如果說都能夠來台灣都能夠來參訪故宮看一下故宮的文物以前是課本裡面看到的現在可以看到實體的一個部分清明上河圖翠玉白菜我想這都是非常好的一個事情\n\n6\n00:02:05,177 --> 00:02:22,057\n只要兩岸開放交流更多人來看其實某種程度上這反而是一種文化的提升所以院長我說實在話我們覺得說是不是應該要更鼓勵或說更有自信能夠讓更多世界的觀光客都來故宮來參訪\n\n7\n00:02:23,899 --> 00:02:48,258\n這是故宮努力的目標怎麼樣提升所有的參觀不管是國人或是國際人士的話都是故宮努力的目標是所以院長我當然你可能比較少時間有辦法說這個參與我們這個政府這些的一個決策但如果說有機會我還是要呼籲跟建議也要適時的跟上面來反映尤其是我們的賴政府就是說兩岸和平的關鍵\n\n8\n00:02:49,139 --> 00:03:08,950\n如果說能夠更開放兩岸能夠有更溝通的管道甚至兩岸現在觀光卡住我覺得故宮扮演某種程度上也是一個觀光交流也是一個文化交流能夠有更多人來的話我相信一定會對於我們的觀光市場也會更活絡那也可以提升更多故宮的參觀人數是不是這樣子\n\n9\n00:03:10,498 --> 00:03:25,715\n對於兩岸開放的話當然故宮也是樂觀其成那我們希望說在兩岸一個有共識有和平的一個基礎下有更多的大陸那邊的民眾可以來台灣參觀這個故宮非常的期待\n\n10\n00:03:26,015 --> 00:03:54,140\n好,那另外一點我們現在故宮的狀況明年是百年願慶那明年百年願慶的時候我有看到我們的一個預算的部分有增加說我們要去捷克法國辦理相關的特展那也有文物基金會派員新增出去考察包括日本以及義大利的一個考察那院長是不是也能夠跟國人來說明或是來解釋一下除了我們派員出去\n\n11\n00:03:55,504 --> 00:04:01,352\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n12\n00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,921\n現在這些宣傳業務都到\n\n13\n00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:52,922\n觀光署到觀光署但觀光署的話他們宣傳的重點目前看來的話都是國家風景區或是國家公園就比較少提到故宮這個部分的話我打算在過年以後一月份以後再找相關的外交部觀光署這些單位請他們來協助看能不能就是用一種整合的方式然後做一個整體的一個是院長你講的就是本席接下來想問的\n\n14\n00:05:16,527 --> 00:05:32,918\n除了一些警官除了101等等我們也希望是大家能夠知道說故宮文物在這邊然後更多人來參觀但你看喔其實從最近一次疫情前2019年外國籍的旅客一年佔300萬人\n\n15\n00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:58,074\n但是到2023年疫情過後外國籍的旅客一年只不到百萬只有72萬多人到今年的統計目前為止也將近是70萬人左右所以我們現在外國籍的旅客不到疫情前的三分之一那我們也希望是說那你能不能夠有更多的讓外國籍的旅客知道是說來台灣除了\n\n16\n00:05:58,894 --> 00:06:00,055\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n17\n00:06:18,137 --> 00:06:42,663\n國立故宮在台灣,文物在台灣那你剛剛講是說要到明年1月,明年1月的時候總預算大家都審過啦明年的計畫大家都已經報完啦明年的計畫大家都已經確認了,這樣來得及嗎?根文報告,其實我們那個提升國際的能量的這個計畫這個國際戰略計畫其實我們在今年有做了那...多少費用?上個月\n\n18\n00:06:44,123 --> 00:07:06,853\n有時候我不能明確去編一個預算說我這個東西叫做多少費用不是院長你不能明確編一個預算那就代表說你有沒有執行真的想要做這個核心的業務這一個部分另外是說即便我剛開宗明義強調故宮的本預算其實放眼到我們中華民國政府總預算來講其實是杯水車薪啦相對少啊\n\n19\n00:07:07,313 --> 00:07:09,755\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n20\n00:07:27,848 --> 00:07:53,408\n文化的台灣觀光的台灣美食的台灣娛樂的台灣那其中一個文化的台灣當然要故宮啊但我現在講的是說到目前為止你的報告書第一明年的計畫是沒有這一項你沒有跨域的整合的雄心壯志那第二你自己本預算也沒有辦法編然後又沒有去整合的話那這樣子我們怎麼樣期待明年我們的觀光客能夠到達300萬\n\n21\n00:07:55,109 --> 00:07:57,490\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n22\n00:08:18,766 --> 00:08:38,197\n那到目前為止我現在講的是說到2013年2023年2024年國外觀光客都只有70幾萬不到疫情前的三分之一我們今年本來預估大概127萬大概少了50萬因為原來疫情的話就是邊境入客會開放可是沒有開放所以的確是少了\n\n23\n00:08:39,838 --> 00:08:42,340\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n24\n00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,702\n議長,我能不能要求,因為我們接下來要審相關故宮的預算,那我覺得這一塊真的是重要。\n\n25\n00:09:16,471 --> 00:09:43,700\n你沒有辦法編列在故宮本預算裡面但你至少你要怎麼樣想方設法拉資源整合拉觀光署拉外交部拉其他部會來告訴說你們要宣傳你們要有任何的這個文化甚至我們故宮不一定有錢但是我們可以有什麼樣的圖資什麼樣的協助讓你能夠更推廣能不能在預算審查我們逐條進入到實質審查的時候你有這樣的一個明確的一個計畫\n\n26\n00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:48,324\n讓我們能夠了解那我們這樣預算審查的時候更能夠支持\n\n27\n00:09:50,412 --> 00:10:15,879\n跟委員報告這個沒有問題因為我們本來就在做而且我們那個計畫概念概構想的話那個基本上來講是有的我希望之後在主條之前可以提出可以提供本席跟我們教文委員會的委員這個計畫的參考好不好那另外最後一分鐘我有看到是說故宮現在有跟屈臣氏這個商店做什麼跨界合作推出系列的品牌商品\n\n28\n00:10:17,220 --> 00:10:35,538\n本席其實認為是說如果說能夠讓文物結合商品本席這個方向本席是認同不過我現在想請教明年百年願慶我們有沒有什麼比較特別的紀念商品是一定要讓國人或是外國人士來台灣一定非買不可有沒有能不能先拿出來大家批判一下\n\n29\n00:11:06,328 --> 00:11:25,784\n這不好笑啦我要的是本席真的是站在一個期待跟鼓勵的立場對於行政部會來講有專業我們是支持但是我們真的希望是說百年我們能夠人生有幾個一百年我們這次一百年之後下一個一百年我們都不在了\n\n30\n00:11:26,536 --> 00:11:54,195\n所以這個百年其實我覺得是非常重要的時刻那我們能夠怎麼樣不管是借用民間的創意借用什麼樣的一個力量我們去想一個東西是明年百年每一個來故宮一定非買不可這個東西是很特別的我們如果說沒有買沒有來來台灣沒有來故宮白來了來故宮沒有買這樣的一個商品沒有買這樣的紀念品白來了要有這樣的一個雄心壯志所以說拜託\n\n31\n00:11:55,356 --> 00:12:16,951\n院長除了剛剛公使仔游跳我知道啦紀念酒紀念幣這個都是一般這個都老掉牙嘛那怎麼樣來想比較那有沒有有什麼我覺得這個東西才是重點這東西也才是真的能夠讓我們從文物故宮精神以及人民的日常生活裡面來結合不是說要你做一個\n\n32\n00:12:17,992 --> 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所以院長我當然你可能比較少時間有辦法說這個參與我們這個政府這些的一個決策但如果說有機會我還是要呼籲跟建議也要適時的跟上面來反映尤其是我們的賴政府就是說兩岸和平的關鍵\n169139\t188950\t如果說能夠更開放兩岸能夠有更溝通的管道甚至兩岸現在觀光卡住我覺得故宮扮演某種程度上也是一個觀光交流也是一個文化交流能夠有更多人來的話我相信一定會對於我們的觀光市場也會更活絡那也可以提升更多故宮的參觀人數是不是這樣子\n190498\t205715\t對於兩岸開放的話當然故宮也是樂觀其成那我們希望說在兩岸一個有共識有和平的一個基礎下有更多的大陸那邊的民眾可以來台灣參觀這個故宮非常的期待\n206015\t234140\t好,那另外一點我們現在故宮的狀況明年是百年願慶那明年百年願慶的時候我有看到我們的一個預算的部分有增加說我們要去捷克法國辦理相關的特展那也有文物基金會派員新增出去考察包括日本以及義大利的一個考察那院長是不是也能夠跟國人來說明或是來解釋一下除了我們派員出去\n235504\t241352\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n249400\t250921\t現在這些宣傳業務都到\n266960\t292922\t觀光署到觀光署但觀光署的話他們宣傳的重點目前看來的話都是國家風景區或是國家公園就比較少提到故宮這個部分的話我打算在過年以後一月份以後再找相關的外交部觀光署這些單位請他們來協助看能不能就是用一種整合的方式然後做一個整體的一個是院長你講的就是本席接下來想問的\n293643\t315213\t獎項獎項獎\n316527\t332918\t除了一些警官除了101等等我們也希望是大家能夠知道說故宮文物在這邊然後更多人來參觀但你看喔其實從最近一次疫情前2019年外國籍的旅客一年佔300萬人\n335740\t358074\t但是到2023年疫情過後外國籍的旅客一年只不到百萬只有72萬多人到今年的統計目前為止也將近是70萬人左右所以我們現在外國籍的旅客不到疫情前的三分之一那我們也希望是說那你能不能夠有更多的讓外國籍的旅客知道是說來台灣除了\n358894\t360055\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n378137\t402663\t國立故宮在台灣,文物在台灣那你剛剛講是說要到明年1月,明年1月的時候總預算大家都審過啦明年的計畫大家都已經報完啦明年的計畫大家都已經確認了,這樣來得及嗎?根文報告,其實我們那個提升國際的能量的這個計畫這個國際戰略計畫其實我們在今年有做了那...多少費用?上個月\n404123\t426853\t有時候我不能明確去編一個預算說我這個東西叫做多少費用不是院長你不能明確編一個預算那就代表說你有沒有執行真的想要做這個核心的業務這一個部分另外是說即便我剛開宗明義強調故宮的本預算其實放眼到我們中華民國政府總預算來講其實是杯水車薪啦相對少啊\n427313\t429755\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n447848\t473408\t文化的台灣觀光的台灣美食的台灣娛樂的台灣那其中一個文化的台灣當然要故宮啊但我現在講的是說到目前為止你的報告書第一明年的計畫是沒有這一項你沒有跨域的整合的雄心壯志那第二你自己本預算也沒有辦法編然後又沒有去整合的話那這樣子我們怎麼樣期待明年我們的觀光客能夠到達300萬\n475109\t477490\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n498766\t518197\t那到目前為止我現在講的是說到2013年2023年2024年國外觀光客都只有70幾萬不到疫情前的三分之一我們今年本來預估大概127萬大概少了50萬因為原來疫情的話就是邊境入客會開放可是沒有開放所以的確是少了\n519838\t522340\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n538080\t540702\t議長,我能不能要求,因為我們接下來要審相關故宮的預算,那我覺得這一塊真的是重要。\n556471\t583700\t你沒有辦法編列在故宮本預算裡面但你至少你要怎麼樣想方設法拉資源整合拉觀光署拉外交部拉其他部會來告訴說你們要宣傳你們要有任何的這個文化甚至我們故宮不一定有錢但是我們可以有什麼樣的圖資什麼樣的協助讓你能夠更推廣能不能在預算審查我們逐條進入到實質審查的時候你有這樣的一個明確的一個計畫\n584740\t588324\t讓我們能夠了解那我們這樣預算審查的時候更能夠支持\n590412\t615879\t跟委員報告這個沒有問題因為我們本來就在做而且我們那個計畫概念概構想的話那個基本上來講是有的我希望之後在主條之前可以提出可以提供本席跟我們教文委員會的委員這個計畫的參考好不好那另外最後一分鐘我有看到是說故宮現在有跟屈臣氏這個商店做什麼跨界合作推出系列的品牌商品\n617220\t635538\t本席其實認為是說如果說能夠讓文物結合商品本席這個方向本席是認同不過我現在想請教明年百年願慶我們有沒有什麼比較特別的紀念商品是一定要讓國人或是外國人士來台灣一定非買不可有沒有能不能先拿出來大家批判一下\n635998\t663643\t議長議長\n666328\t685784\t這不好笑啦我要的是本席真的是站在一個期待跟鼓勵的立場對於行政部會來講有專業我們是支持但是我們真的希望是說百年我們能夠人生有幾個一百年我們這次一百年之後下一個一百年我們都不在了\n686536\t714195\t所以這個百年其實我覺得是非常重要的時刻那我們能夠怎麼樣不管是借用民間的創意借用什麼樣的一個力量我們去想一個東西是明年百年每一個來故宮一定非買不可這個東西是很特別的我們如果說沒有買沒有來來台灣沒有來故宮白來了來故宮沒有買這樣的一個商品沒有買這樣的紀念品白來了要有這樣的一個雄心壯志所以說拜託\n715356\t736951\t院長除了剛剛公使仔游跳我知道啦紀念酒紀念幣這個都是一般這個都老掉牙嘛那怎麼樣來想比較那有沒有有什麼我覺得這個東西才是重點這東西也才是真的能夠讓我們從文物故宮精神以及人民的日常生活裡面來結合不是說要你做一個\n737992\t742294\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n755629\t763455\t我們要來看到這樣的一個部分,好不好?這才是我們真的能夠支持我們編出來的預算,是不是能夠把錢花在刀口上的時辰。\n","txt":"紅孟楷委員質詢主席謝謝,麻煩請蕭院長蕭院長請委員長院長好,院長故宮最近最熱鬧的時候是不是11月30號馬鷹九基金會邀請陸生團參訪故宮的時候\n不過不管怎麼樣這還是一個文化交流嘛,院長支持這樣的文化交流嗎?\n基本上來講的話故宮支持文化交流各項……所有樣的文化文化是全體人類的文化是不分任何政治意識形態的故宮張開雙手歡迎各界的人就是說不管政黨不管國籍只要他可以入境到台灣的話基本上來講都經過一個合法的程序所以我們都以客為尊對那所以院長會認為說這是一種統戰嗎\n政治的解讀的話當然就是故宮的沒有辦法理解的啦那故宮基本上來講對任何的觀眾他們用一種非常合理的一個正常的參觀方式我們都歡迎\n其實有接待這次參訪團的101董事長賈永傑他也講他們來玩我們來玩大家都開心不用那麼嚴肅那一樣的道理對岸的民眾或是對岸的朋友13億人如果說都能夠來台灣都能夠來參訪故宮看一下故宮的文物以前是課本裡面看到的現在可以看到實體的一個部分清明上河圖翠玉白菜我想這都是非常好的一個事情\n只要兩岸開放交流更多人來看其實某種程度上這反而是一種文化的提升所以院長我說實在話我們覺得說是不是應該要更鼓勵或說更有自信能夠讓更多世界的觀光客都來故宮來參訪\n這是故宮努力的目標怎麼樣提升所有的參觀不管是國人或是國際人士的話都是故宮努力的目標是 所以院長我當然你可能比較少時間有辦法說這個參與我們這個政府這些的一個決策但如果說有機會我還是要呼籲跟建議也要適時的跟上面來反映尤其是我們的賴政府就是說兩岸和平的關鍵\n如果說能夠更開放兩岸能夠有更溝通的管道甚至兩岸現在觀光卡住我覺得故宮扮演某種程度上也是一個觀光交流也是一個文化交流能夠有更多人來的話我相信一定會對於我們的觀光市場也會更活絡那也可以提升更多故宮的參觀人數是不是這樣子\n對於兩岸開放的話當然故宮也是樂觀其成那我們希望說在兩岸一個有共識有和平的一個基礎下有更多的大陸那邊的民眾可以來台灣參觀這個故宮非常的期待\n好,那另外一點我們現在故宮的狀況明年是百年願慶那明年百年願慶的時候我有看到我們的一個預算的部分有增加說我們要去捷克法國辦理相關的特展那也有文物基金會派員新增出去考察包括日本以及義大利的一個考察那院長是不是也能夠跟國人來說明或是來解釋一下除了我們派員出去\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n現在這些宣傳業務都到\n觀光署到觀光署但觀光署的話他們宣傳的重點目前看來的話都是國家風景區或是國家公園就比較少提到故宮這個部分的話我打算在過年以後一月份以後再找相關的外交部觀光署這些單位請他們來協助看能不能就是用一種整合的方式然後做一個整體的一個是院長你講的就是本席接下來想問的\n獎項獎項獎\n除了一些警官除了101等等我們也希望是大家能夠知道說故宮文物在這邊然後更多人來參觀但你看喔其實從最近一次疫情前2019年外國籍的旅客一年佔300萬人\n但是到2023年疫情過後外國籍的旅客一年只不到百萬只有72萬多人到今年的統計目前為止也將近是70萬人左右所以我們現在外國籍的旅客不到疫情前的三分之一那我們也希望是說那你能不能夠有更多的讓外國籍的旅客知道是說來台灣除了\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n國立故宮在台灣,文物在台灣那你剛剛講是說要到明年1月,明年1月的時候總預算大家都審過啦明年的計畫大家都已經報完啦明年的計畫大家都已經確認了,這樣來得及嗎?根文報告,其實我們那個提升國際的能量的這個計畫這個國際戰略計畫其實我們在今年有做了那...多少費用?上個月\n有時候我不能明確去編一個預算說我這個東西叫做多少費用不是院長你不能明確編一個預算那就代表說你有沒有執行真的想要做這個核心的業務這一個部分另外是說即便我剛開宗明義強調故宮的本預算其實放眼到我們中華民國政府總預算來講其實是杯水車薪啦相對少啊\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n文化的台灣觀光的台灣美食的台灣娛樂的台灣那其中一個文化的台灣當然要故宮啊但我現在講的是說到目前為止你的報告書第一明年的計畫是沒有這一項你沒有跨域的整合的雄心壯志那第二你自己本預算也沒有辦法編然後又沒有去整合的話那這樣子我們怎麼樣期待明年我們的觀光客能夠到達300萬\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n那到目前為止我現在講的是說到2013年2023年2024年國外觀光客都只有70幾萬不到疫情前的三分之一我們今年本來預估大概127萬大概少了50萬因為原來疫情的話就是邊境入客會開放可是沒有開放所以的確是少了\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n議長,我能不能要求,因為我們接下來要審相關故宮的預算,那我覺得這一塊真的是重要。\n你沒有辦法編列在故宮本預算裡面但你至少你要怎麼樣想方設法拉資源整合拉觀光署拉外交部拉其他部會來告訴說你們要宣傳你們要有任何的這個文化甚至我們故宮不一定有錢但是我們可以有什麼樣的圖資什麼樣的協助讓你能夠更推廣能不能在預算審查我們逐條進入到實質審查的時候你有這樣的一個明確的一個計畫\n讓我們能夠了解那我們這樣預算審查的時候更能夠支持\n跟委員報告這個沒有問題因為我們本來就在做而且我們那個計畫概念概構想的話那個基本上來講是有的我希望之後在主條之前可以提出可以提供本席跟我們教文委員會的委員這個計畫的參考好不好那另外最後一分鐘我有看到是說故宮現在有跟屈臣氏這個商店做什麼跨界合作推出系列的品牌商品\n本席其實認為是說如果說能夠讓文物結合商品本席這個方向本席是認同不過我現在想請教明年百年願慶我們有沒有什麼比較特別的紀念商品是一定要讓國人或是外國人士來台灣一定非買不可有沒有能不能先拿出來大家批判一下\n議長議長\n這不好笑啦我要的是本席真的是站在一個期待跟鼓勵的立場對於行政部會來講有專業我們是支持但是我們真的希望是說百年我們能夠人生有幾個一百年我們這次一百年之後下一個一百年我們都不在了\n所以這個百年其實我覺得是非常重要的時刻那我們能夠怎麼樣不管是借用民間的創意借用什麼樣的一個力量我們去想一個東西是明年百年每一個來故宮一定非買不可這個東西是很特別的我們如果說沒有買沒有來來台灣沒有來故宮白來了來故宮沒有買這樣的一個商品沒有買這樣的紀念品白來了要有這樣的一個雄心壯志所以說拜託\n院長除了剛剛公使仔游跳我知道啦紀念酒紀念幣這個都是一般這個都老掉牙嘛那怎麼樣來想比較那有沒有有什麼我覺得這個東西才是重點這東西也才是真的能夠讓我們從文物故宮精神以及人民的日常生活裡面來結合不是說要你做一個\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n我們要來看到這樣的一個部分,好不好?這才是我們真的能夠支持我們編出來的預算,是不是能夠把錢花在刀口上的時辰。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.396 --> 00:24.432\n紅孟楷委員質詢主席謝謝,麻煩請蕭院長蕭院長請委員長院長好,院長故宮最近最熱鬧的時候是不是11月30號馬鷹九基金會邀請陸生團參訪故宮的時候\n\n00:29.599 --> 00:33.544\n不過不管怎麼樣這還是一個文化交流嘛,院長支持這樣的文化交流嗎?\n\n00:50.929 --> 01:16.350\n基本上來講的話故宮支持文化交流各項……所有樣的文化文化是全體人類的文化是不分任何政治意識形態的故宮張開雙手歡迎各界的人就是說不管政黨不管國籍只要他可以入境到台灣的話基本上來講都經過一個合法的程序所以我們都以客為尊對那所以院長會認為說這是一種統戰嗎\n\n01:22.155 --> 01:35.275\n政治的解讀的話當然就是故宮的沒有辦法理解的啦那故宮基本上來講對任何的觀眾他們用一種非常合理的一個正常的參觀方式我們都歡迎\n\n01:36.717 --> 02:04.036\n其實有接待這次參訪團的101董事長賈永傑他也講他們來玩我們來玩大家都開心不用那麼嚴肅那一樣的道理對岸的民眾或是對岸的朋友13億人如果說都能夠來台灣都能夠來參訪故宮看一下故宮的文物以前是課本裡面看到的現在可以看到實體的一個部分清明上河圖翠玉白菜我想這都是非常好的一個事情\n\n02:05.177 --> 02:22.057\n只要兩岸開放交流更多人來看其實某種程度上這反而是一種文化的提升所以院長我說實在話我們覺得說是不是應該要更鼓勵或說更有自信能夠讓更多世界的觀光客都來故宮來參訪\n\n02:23.899 --> 02:48.258\n這是故宮努力的目標怎麼樣提升所有的參觀不管是國人或是國際人士的話都是故宮努力的目標是所以院長我當然你可能比較少時間有辦法說這個參與我們這個政府這些的一個決策但如果說有機會我還是要呼籲跟建議也要適時的跟上面來反映尤其是我們的賴政府就是說兩岸和平的關鍵\n\n02:49.139 --> 03:08.950\n如果說能夠更開放兩岸能夠有更溝通的管道甚至兩岸現在觀光卡住我覺得故宮扮演某種程度上也是一個觀光交流也是一個文化交流能夠有更多人來的話我相信一定會對於我們的觀光市場也會更活絡那也可以提升更多故宮的參觀人數是不是這樣子\n\n03:10.498 --> 03:25.715\n對於兩岸開放的話當然故宮也是樂觀其成那我們希望說在兩岸一個有共識有和平的一個基礎下有更多的大陸那邊的民眾可以來台灣參觀這個故宮非常的期待\n\n03:26.015 --> 03:54.140\n好,那另外一點我們現在故宮的狀況明年是百年願慶那明年百年願慶的時候我有看到我們的一個預算的部分有增加說我們要去捷克法國辦理相關的特展那也有文物基金會派員新增出去考察包括日本以及義大利的一個考察那院長是不是也能夠跟國人來說明或是來解釋一下除了我們派員出去\n\n03:55.504 --> 04:01.352\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n04:09.400 --> 04:10.921\n現在這些宣傳業務都到\n\n04:26.960 --> 04:52.922\n觀光署到觀光署但觀光署的話他們宣傳的重點目前看來的話都是國家風景區或是國家公園就比較少提到故宮這個部分的話我打算在過年以後一月份以後再找相關的外交部觀光署這些單位請他們來協助看能不能就是用一種整合的方式然後做一個整體的一個是院長你講的就是本席接下來想問的\n\n05:16.527 --> 05:32.918\n除了一些警官除了101等等我們也希望是大家能夠知道說故宮文物在這邊然後更多人來參觀但你看喔其實從最近一次疫情前2019年外國籍的旅客一年佔300萬人\n\n05:35.740 --> 05:58.074\n但是到2023年疫情過後外國籍的旅客一年只不到百萬只有72萬多人到今年的統計目前為止也將近是70萬人左右所以我們現在外國籍的旅客不到疫情前的三分之一那我們也希望是說那你能不能夠有更多的讓外國籍的旅客知道是說來台灣除了\n\n05:58.894 --> 06:00.055\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n06:18.137 --> 06:42.663\n國立故宮在台灣,文物在台灣那你剛剛講是說要到明年1月,明年1月的時候總預算大家都審過啦明年的計畫大家都已經報完啦明年的計畫大家都已經確認了,這樣來得及嗎?根文報告,其實我們那個提升國際的能量的這個計畫這個國際戰略計畫其實我們在今年有做了那...多少費用?上個月\n\n06:44.123 --> 07:06.853\n有時候我不能明確去編一個預算說我這個東西叫做多少費用不是院長你不能明確編一個預算那就代表說你有沒有執行真的想要做這個核心的業務這一個部分另外是說即便我剛開宗明義強調故宮的本預算其實放眼到我們中華民國政府總預算來講其實是杯水車薪啦相對少啊\n\n07:07.313 --> 07:09.755\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n07:27.848 --> 07:53.408\n文化的台灣觀光的台灣美食的台灣娛樂的台灣那其中一個文化的台灣當然要故宮啊但我現在講的是說到目前為止你的報告書第一明年的計畫是沒有這一項你沒有跨域的整合的雄心壯志那第二你自己本預算也沒有辦法編然後又沒有去整合的話那這樣子我們怎麼樣期待明年我們的觀光客能夠到達300萬\n\n07:55.109 --> 07:57.490\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n08:18.766 --> 08:38.197\n那到目前為止我現在講的是說到2013年2023年2024年國外觀光客都只有70幾萬不到疫情前的三分之一我們今年本來預估大概127萬大概少了50萬因為原來疫情的話就是邊境入客會開放可是沒有開放所以的確是少了\n\n08:39.838 --> 08:42.340\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n08:58.080 --> 09:00.702\n議長,我能不能要求,因為我們接下來要審相關故宮的預算,那我覺得這一塊真的是重要。\n\n09:16.471 --> 09:43.700\n你沒有辦法編列在故宮本預算裡面但你至少你要怎麼樣想方設法拉資源整合拉觀光署拉外交部拉其他部會來告訴說你們要宣傳你們要有任何的這個文化甚至我們故宮不一定有錢但是我們可以有什麼樣的圖資什麼樣的協助讓你能夠更推廣能不能在預算審查我們逐條進入到實質審查的時候你有這樣的一個明確的一個計畫\n\n09:44.740 --> 09:48.324\n讓我們能夠了解那我們這樣預算審查的時候更能夠支持\n\n09:50.412 --> 10:15.879\n跟委員報告這個沒有問題因為我們本來就在做而且我們那個計畫概念概構想的話那個基本上來講是有的我希望之後在主條之前可以提出可以提供本席跟我們教文委員會的委員這個計畫的參考好不好那另外最後一分鐘我有看到是說故宮現在有跟屈臣氏這個商店做什麼跨界合作推出系列的品牌商品\n\n10:17.220 --> 10:35.538\n本席其實認為是說如果說能夠讓文物結合商品本席這個方向本席是認同不過我現在想請教明年百年願慶我們有沒有什麼比較特別的紀念商品是一定要讓國人或是外國人士來台灣一定非買不可有沒有能不能先拿出來大家批判一下\n\n11:06.328 --> 11:25.784\n這不好笑啦我要的是本席真的是站在一個期待跟鼓勵的立場對於行政部會來講有專業我們是支持但是我們真的希望是說百年我們能夠人生有幾個一百年我們這次一百年之後下一個一百年我們都不在了\n\n11:26.536 --> 11:54.195\n所以這個百年其實我覺得是非常重要的時刻那我們能夠怎麼樣不管是借用民間的創意借用什麼樣的一個力量我們去想一個東西是明年百年每一個來故宮一定非買不可這個東西是很特別的我們如果說沒有買沒有來來台灣沒有來故宮白來了來故宮沒有買這樣的一個商品沒有買這樣的紀念品白來了要有這樣的一個雄心壯志所以說拜託\n\n11:55.356 --> 12:16.951\n院長除了剛剛公使仔游跳我知道啦紀念酒紀念幣這個都是一般這個都老掉牙嘛那怎麼樣來想比較那有沒有有什麼我覺得這個東西才是重點這東西也才是真的能夠讓我們從文物故宮精神以及人民的日常生活裡面來結合不是說要你做一個\n\n12:17.992 --> 12:22.294\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n12:35.629 --> 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景觀，除了101等等，大家能夠知道文物在故宮，然後更多人來參觀，但你看，從疫情前2019年外國籍的旅客一年有300萬人，到2023年疫情過後，外國籍的旅客一年只不到百萬，只有七十二萬多人，到今年的統計，目前為止也將近是七十萬人左右，所以我們現在外國籍的旅客不到疫情前的三分之一，我們也希望你能不能夠有更多的宣傳，讓外國籍的旅客知道來臺灣除了好吃的東西、好玩的東西以外，沒有來故宮看，這個是可惜的！這個是遺憾的！這個是白來了！但是你過去到現在都還沒有跟不管是觀光署、不管是我們相關的駐外單位來做整合，看能夠怎麼樣在宣傳的時候多帶到一點故宮在臺灣、文物在臺灣，你剛剛講是要到明年1月，明年1月的時候，總預算大家都審過了，明年的計畫大家都已經報完了，明年的計畫大家都已經確認了，這樣來得及嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：跟委員報告，其實提升國際能量的計畫，就國際戰略計畫，我們在今年有做了，上個月……"],["洪委員孟楷：多少費用？"],["蕭院長宗煌：有時候我不能明確去編一個預算說這個東西是多少費用……"],["洪委員孟楷：不是，院長，你能不能明確編一個預算就代表你有沒有真的想要執行這個核心業務，這是一個部分。","另外，我剛剛開宗明義強調，故宮的本預算放眼到我們中華民國政府總預算來講，其實是杯水車薪，相對少，尤其是宣傳這一塊，所以我才會講到，其實你應該是用故宮的高度來結合，不管是觀光署，不管是外交部，不管是經濟部等相關部會，大家來講，我們能夠提供什麼樣的東西，拜託大家在對外推動中華民國觀光的時候，順便帶到文化的臺灣、觀光的臺灣、美食的臺灣、娛樂的臺灣，其中一個文化的臺灣當然要故宮。","但我現在講的是到目前為止，你的報告書第一、明年的計畫是沒有這一項，你沒有跨域整合的雄心壯志，第二、你自己本預算也沒有辦法編，又沒有去整合的話，這樣子我們怎麼樣期待明年我們的觀光客能夠到達300萬，別說300萬，有沒有辦法突破100萬？"],["蕭院長宗煌：應該可以突破100萬沒有問題。"],["洪委員孟楷：這個是低標啦！院長，不行啦！疫情前，扣掉陸客，你2019年都還有差不多300萬的外國觀光客，其中日本觀光客、韓國觀光客都占大宗，日本觀光客有10%，到目前為止，我現在講的是到2023年、2024年國外觀光客都只有七十幾萬，不到疫情前的三分之一……"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們今年本來預估大概127萬，大概少了50萬，因為原來預期邊境陸客會開放，可是沒有開放，所以的確是少了……"],["洪委員孟楷：是。"],["蕭院長宗煌：所謂的國際戰略計畫，其實我們今年一直在推，現在推的是國內的專家學者及相關單位的諮詢，會講明年是因為我們會議的安排就是到明年，因為我們要找外交部、找教育部、找觀光署一起來開會……"],["洪委員孟楷：是他們都很被動，不願意來跟你開會，還是……"],["蕭院長宗煌：也不是啦！也不是，因為……"],["洪委員孟楷：那現在12月4日，你跟我講明年1月才能……"],["蕭院長宗煌：因為我們開完會以後要有會議紀錄，有會議紀錄才去形成這個計畫……"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，我能不能要求，因為我們之後接下來要審故宮的相關預算，那我覺得這一塊真的是重要……"],["蕭院長宗煌：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：你沒有辦法編列在故宮本預算裡面，但至少你要想方設法拉……"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們去做一個資源整合。"],["洪委員孟楷：拉資源整合、拉觀光署、拉外交部、拉其他部會來，告訴他們，他們要宣傳、他們要有任何文化活動的時候，雖然故宮不一定有錢，但是可以有什麼樣的圖資、什麼樣的協助，讓你能夠更推廣，能不能在我們進入到預算實質審查的時候，你有這樣一個明確計畫，讓我們能夠瞭解，這樣我們預算審查的時候更能夠支持。"],["蕭院長宗煌：跟委員報告，這個沒有問題，因為我們本來就在做，而且我們……"],["洪委員孟楷：好。"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們那個計畫概念、構想基本上來講是有的，我們現在在進行諮詢會……"],["洪委員孟楷：好，我希望在審查之前可以提供本席和我們教文委員會的委員這個計畫作為參考，好不好？"],["蕭院長宗煌：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：另外，最後1分鐘，我有看到故宮現在跟屈臣氏商店有做跨界合作，推出系列的品牌商品，本席認為，如果能夠讓文物結合商品，這個方向本席是認同，不過，我現在想請教，明年百年院慶，我們有沒有什麼比較特別的紀念商品是讓國人或者外國人士來臺灣一定非買不可，有沒有？能不能先拿出來讓大家「鼻芳一下」？"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們跟中華郵政出版故宮百年郵票，有包括赤壁賦的整套郵票，當然這個是……"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，這個都是……"],["蕭院長宗煌：另外，我們跟中央造幣廠會合作做金條，金條應該可以……"],["洪委員孟楷：你覺得這個有吸引力嗎？你自己講得都在笑了，我這一題是希望你，院長，這不好笑啦！"],["蕭院長宗煌：我知道不好笑啦！因為……"],["洪委員孟楷：本席真的是站在一個期待與鼓勵的立場，對於行政部會來講，有專業我們是支持，但是我們真的希望百年，我們人生有幾個100年，我們這次100年之後，下一個100年我們都不在了，所以這一個百年其實我覺得是非常重要的時刻，我們不管是借用民間的創意，或者借用什麼樣的力量，去想一個東西，是明年百年每一個來故宮的一定非買不可，這個東西是很特別的，如果來臺灣沒有來故宮白來了，來故宮沒有買這樣的商品、沒有買這樣的紀念品白來了，要有這樣的雄心壯志，所以拜託，院長，除了剛剛說的，說實在，郵票……"],["蕭院長宗煌：我知道，紀念酒、紀念幣都是一般……"],["洪委員孟楷：這個都老掉牙嘛！有沒有……"],["蕭院長宗煌：怎麼樣來想一個比較……"],["洪委員孟楷：我覺得這個東西才是重點，這個東西也才是真的能夠讓我們把文物、故宮、精神以及人民的日常生活來結合，不是要你做一個mission impossible，去看一下大英博物館，去看一下其他博物館……"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷委員。"],["洪委員孟楷：他們做的東西有沒有什麼是值得我們學習參考的，我們來結合嘛！"],["主席：會後請院長……"],["蕭院長宗煌：好，我們請我們行銷處的同仁動動腦……"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，拜託，在預算審查的時候，真的，我們要來看到這樣的部分，好不好？"],["蕭院長宗煌：好。"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷委員。"],["洪委員孟楷：我們編出來的預算是不是能夠有把錢花在刀口上的實質效果，這才是我們真的能夠支持的。"],["蕭院長宗煌：好，我們也希望有一個經典商品可以賣得很好。"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷委員。院長，會後再跟洪孟楷委員做詳細的報告。"],["蕭院長宗煌：好。"],["主席：謝謝。","現在因為我們現場的委員已經達3人，請問一下，上次會議的議事錄有無錯誤或者是遺漏之處？（無）沒有，議事錄確定。","接下來有請柯志恩委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-11","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","葉元之","羅廷瑋","林宜瑾","吳春城","郭昱晴","張雅琳","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":131,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案；三、處理或審查 113\n年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管預算（公務預算）解凍案3案（第一案及第二案僅\n進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11311001_00004"}}}