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00:02:09,550\n當然就是那個時間點是不是那個時間點多了6個人那我個人覺得啦我們有成績當然是值得鼓勵但多6個人這件事情實在沒有必要來發布這個新聞但是特別要提醒院長我們在疫情前108年的時候其實故宮本院的參訪人次高達3832373人是現在你統計數據的兩倍之多所以要到疫情恢復前的水準\n\n7\n00:02:38,257 --> 00:02:48,407\n好,那我們再來看根據統計我們的這個人數逐步恢復的看起來只有北院南院反而是反其道而行原本我們看到111年參訪的人數達到1039,895人可是112年參訪的人數反而下降到954,296人那113年截至10月只剩下839,552人\n\n8\n00:03:04,421 --> 00:03:06,902\n南院不增反降?南部縣區本國及外國籍參訪比例108年本國籍1043714人次\n\n9\n00:03:22,448 --> 00:03:26,052\n外國籍只有5548人,可以說99%多都是本國籍,可是我們看到112年本國籍參訪人數驟降,112年降到941,065人,113年截至10月底只剩下78萬人,外國籍參訪人數略成長,\n\n10\n00:03:45,011 --> 00:03:45,531\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管預算案\n\n11\n00:04:04,635 --> 00:04:21,731\n在疫情期間的話其實南院的參觀人數的話反而是比北院多了一點111年的話超過百萬那因為疫情期間的話有那個補助專案那另外的話北部的話大家比較不喜歡來旅遊\n\n12\n00:04:25,998 --> 00:04:47,706\n疫情之後北院其實是回流然後南院的話其實有點劣降所以今年來講的話院長麻煩你不要用我剛才跟你講的數據來回答好嗎對以今年來講的話大概會比去年劣升就南院有劣升然後北院當然是增加幅度比較大但是都不如預期這是真的這是我們要努力的一個方向\n\n13\n00:04:48,784 --> 00:05:08,550\n為什麼我們自己的民眾是不願意去南院?為什麼南院的這個參訪人次這麼不好還要一直下降?有去了解過原因嗎?因為一樣是已經疫情後了,我們都在努力中,那何以北院的人次會上升而南院還要下降?這是為什麼?\n\n14\n00:05:10,808 --> 00:05:26,010\n這個我們要再理解看看因為所以你都不知道原因所以院長如果你不知道原因怎麼去努力讓南院的人士往上呢所以我想您說你還要再去了解看看這個我覺得非常的錯愕啦那一樣北院一樣南院一樣疫情之後了所以我想這個\n\n15\n00:05:27,111 --> 00:05:47,004\n希望你一個禮拜之內給我一個原因好不好這不可能沒有一個原因的了解的那另外我想我看到故宮的北院有辦這個故宮有意思這個給我們的學生參訪北部院區這是開放給全國公立高中以下學校來申請的但是呢我們南院剛剛看到了本國啦這個外國整體來說這個參訪人士都不好\n\n16\n00:06:05,345 --> 00:06:15,713\n議長我知道你想要做的南北院區隔北院給北區的學校南院給南區的學校但是院長這是很無聊的一件事你難不成還怕說你開放的時候還搶掉了這個北院的聲音嗎對嘛所以我覺得啦\n\n17\n00:06:23,479 --> 00:06:43,231\n不過我覺得你看我們南院現在其實參訪人數是不好的那事實上南院其實有很多值得看的地方南院的同仁也很努力而南院佔地70公頃比本院還大現在在蓋這個國保館其實是非常適合學生前往參觀的所以你這樣的開放其實覺得不好是不是院長可以做一個調整\n\n18\n00:06:44,251 --> 00:07:09,852\n我們明年就調整明年的話北部的話我們會納入那因為它是一個有合作單位有委辦單位的很好那也就是明年一月以後我們全國的這個學生都也可以按照他們的意願申請北院或者南院都可以去參訪了對嗎對好那這個辦法要趕快讓教育部下去給我們所有的學校知道好嗎\n\n19\n00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:24,502\n最後我想一樣我們看到北院雖然參訪的人數逐漸在恢復可是並沒有反映在整個故宮的營收上根據故宮自己的統計112年故宮實體跟網路的商業這個營收加起來是3億1069萬可是我們看到113年截至10月的營收只有2億5878萬所以參訪人數變多為什麼營收下降\n\n20\n00:07:38,711 --> 00:07:50,299\n公文報告因為全年度還沒有結算您的意思是說後面這兩個月你可以再增加一億是這樣嗎門票跟基金的話都會增加\n\n21\n00:07:52,640 --> 00:08:15,976\n所以我們在今年你有把握我們可以超過去年是這樣嗎?會會會超過去年沒有問題嗎?對對因為他的結算的話是後後面一個月後面一個月好因為本席看到這個數據這比例上來說要用後面這一個多月兩個月去增加一億的這個這個零收看起來是有困難但是那個院長說是可以達標那我想我們就是恭喜並且肯定\n\n22\n00:08:16,976 --> 00:08:39,090\n再來但是我們看到在這個我們的故宮文物藝術發展基金我們的腳褲數好像也是往下降這可以說明一下嗎腳褲數實際上我們現在的淨利的話沒有那麼高可是腳褲數的話我們是一直在爭取降低沒有錯因為現在是我們結腳基金在腳褲所以這個部分的話\n\n23\n00:08:42,998 --> 00:08:48,542\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n24\n00:09:09,296 --> 00:09:26,873\n當然是有很大的影響,像110年、111年疫情期間可是因為他的繳雇的概算是之前就編列的所以我們還是照那個額度去繳雇所以中間的話其實我們不能講虧空啦,就是我們那個基金虧空齁,這個詞用的不太對吧\n\n25\n00:09:27,654 --> 00:09:31,398\n院長,我們可能要再嚴謹一點,要不然你說了這個話,我想同仁大家捏把冷汗。我想最後一點點時間,我提醒院長,我想疫情沖撞之後,現在兩岸的關係這麼這樣的不好,\n\n26\n00:09:49,337 --> 00:10:11,162\n北院、南院同仁都很努力,那怎麼樣讓我們不管在營收在人事上面可以往上來提升我們要先找到原因,像剛剛院長講的原因不想這件事情不能夠再發生不是原因不想啦,因為原因有非常多元,就是說沒有辦法就是說單純一個原因當然就是說所謂的邊境開放這當然是一個主要的原因\n\n27\n00:10:11,622 --> 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繳雇的概算是之前就編列的所以我們還是照那個額度去繳雇所以中間的話其實我們不能講虧空啦,就是我們那個基金虧空齁,這個詞用的不太對吧\n院長,我們可能要再嚴謹一點,要不然你說了這個話,我想同仁大家捏把冷汗。我想最後一點點時間,我提醒院長,我想疫情沖撞之後,現在兩岸的關係這麼這樣的不好,\n北院、南院同仁都很努力,那怎麼樣讓我們不管在營收在人事上面可以往上來提升我們要先找到原因,像剛剛院長講的原因不想這件事情不能夠再發生不是原因不想啦,因為原因有非常多元,就是說沒有辦法就是說單純一個原因當然就是說所謂的邊境開放這當然是一個主要的原因\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.438 --> 00:01.819\n蕭院長照為照院長我想接續兩位委員的一個地方我補充一下我剛對於您回答說我們現在明年的故宮百年那相關的紀念品好像目前規劃又是郵票\n\n00:23.215 --> 00:26.496\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n00:49.561 --> 01:06.716\n委員報告,文創商品或紀念品其實故宮是有規劃,那剛講的就是說傳統的比如說紀念幣、紀念酒啦、郵票啦或是什麼金幣啦、金條啦,這個都有。那這個都是因為跟外面,包括玩具公仔都是跟外面合作的。院長這不要再回囉。\n\n01:07.677 --> 01:07.998\n二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算\n\n01:22.777 --> 01:49.560\n我們今天大家還是一直很關心不管是這個故宮南北院參訪人數整個營收我想都不是太理想我覺得我們都值得來討論一下我們看到其實故宮在11月11號的時候你們發布了一個新聞說故宮北院已經突破去年總參觀人次這個155萬2190人但本席看到這個所謂的突破好像就是突破多了6個人是不是\n\n01:51.421 --> 02:09.550\n當然就是那個時間點是不是那個時間點多了6個人那我個人覺得啦我們有成績當然是值得鼓勵但多6個人這件事情實在沒有必要來發布這個新聞但是特別要提醒院長我們在疫情前108年的時候其實故宮本院的參訪人次高達3832373人是現在你統計數據的兩倍之多所以要到疫情恢復前的水準\n\n02:38.257 --> 02:48.407\n好,那我們再來看根據統計我們的這個人數逐步恢復的看起來只有北院南院反而是反其道而行原本我們看到111年參訪的人數達到1039,895人可是112年參訪的人數反而下降到954,296人那113年截至10月只剩下839,552人\n\n03:04.421 --> 03:06.902\n南院不增反降?南部縣區本國及外國籍參訪比例108年本國籍1043714人次\n\n03:22.448 --> 03:26.052\n外國籍只有5548人,可以說99%多都是本國籍,可是我們看到112年本國籍參訪人數驟降,112年降到941,065人,113年截至10月底只剩下78萬人,外國籍參訪人數略成長,\n\n03:45.011 --> 03:45.531\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管預算案\n\n04:04.635 --> 04:21.731\n在疫情期間的話其實南院的參觀人數的話反而是比北院多了一點111年的話超過百萬那因為疫情期間的話有那個補助專案那另外的話北部的話大家比較不喜歡來旅遊\n\n04:25.998 --> 04:47.706\n疫情之後北院其實是回流然後南院的話其實有點劣降所以今年來講的話院長麻煩你不要用我剛才跟你講的數據來回答好嗎對以今年來講的話大概會比去年劣升就南院有劣升然後北院當然是增加幅度比較大但是都不如預期這是真的這是我們要努力的一個方向\n\n04:48.784 --> 05:08.550\n為什麼我們自己的民眾是不願意去南院?為什麼南院的這個參訪人次這麼不好還要一直下降?有去了解過原因嗎?因為一樣是已經疫情後了,我們都在努力中,那何以北院的人次會上升而南院還要下降?這是為什麼?\n\n05:10.808 --> 05:26.010\n這個我們要再理解看看因為所以你都不知道原因所以院長如果你不知道原因怎麼去努力讓南院的人士往上呢所以我想您說你還要再去了解看看這個我覺得非常的錯愕啦那一樣北院一樣南院一樣疫情之後了所以我想這個\n\n05:27.111 --> 05:47.004\n希望你一個禮拜之內給我一個原因好不好這不可能沒有一個原因的了解的那另外我想我看到故宮的北院有辦這個故宮有意思這個給我們的學生參訪北部院區這是開放給全國公立高中以下學校來申請的但是呢我們南院剛剛看到了本國啦這個外國整體來說這個參訪人士都不好\n\n06:05.345 --> 06:15.713\n議長我知道你想要做的南北院區隔北院給北區的學校南院給南區的學校但是院長這是很無聊的一件事你難不成還怕說你開放的時候還搶掉了這個北院的聲音嗎對嘛所以我覺得啦\n\n06:23.479 --> 06:43.231\n不過我覺得你看我們南院現在其實參訪人數是不好的那事實上南院其實有很多值得看的地方南院的同仁也很努力而南院佔地70公頃比本院還大現在在蓋這個國保館其實是非常適合學生前往參觀的所以你這樣的開放其實覺得不好是不是院長可以做一個調整\n\n06:44.251 --> 07:09.852\n我們明年就調整明年的話北部的話我們會納入那因為它是一個有合作單位有委辦單位的很好那也就是明年一月以後我們全國的這個學生都也可以按照他們的意願申請北院或者南院都可以去參訪了對嗎對好那這個辦法要趕快讓教育部下去給我們所有的學校知道好嗎\n\n07:11.213 --> 07:24.502\n最後我想一樣我們看到北院雖然參訪的人數逐漸在恢復可是並沒有反映在整個故宮的營收上根據故宮自己的統計112年故宮實體跟網路的商業這個營收加起來是3億1069萬可是我們看到113年截至10月的營收只有2億5878萬所以參訪人數變多為什麼營收下降\n\n07:38.711 --> 07:50.299\n公文報告因為全年度還沒有結算您的意思是說後面這兩個月你可以再增加一億是這樣嗎門票跟基金的話都會增加\n\n07:52.640 --> 08:15.976\n所以我們在今年你有把握我們可以超過去年是這樣嗎?會會會超過去年沒有問題嗎?對對因為他的結算的話是後後面一個月後面一個月好因為本席看到這個數據這比例上來說要用後面這一個多月兩個月去增加一億的這個這個零收看起來是有困難但是那個院長說是可以達標那我想我們就是恭喜並且肯定\n\n08:16.976 --> 08:39.090\n再來但是我們看到在這個我們的故宮文物藝術發展基金我們的腳褲數好像也是往下降這可以說明一下嗎腳褲數實際上我們現在的淨利的話沒有那麼高可是腳褲數的話我們是一直在爭取降低沒有錯因為現在是我們結腳基金在腳褲所以這個部分的話\n\n08:42.998 --> 08:48.542\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n09:09.296 --> 09:26.873\n當然是有很大的影響,像110年、111年疫情期間可是因為他的繳雇的概算是之前就編列的所以我們還是照那個額度去繳雇所以中間的話其實我們不能講虧空啦,就是我們那個基金虧空齁,這個詞用的不太對吧\n\n09:27.654 --> 09:31.398\n院長,我們可能要再嚴謹一點,要不然你說了這個話,我想同仁大家捏把冷汗。我想最後一點點時間,我提醒院長,我想疫情沖撞之後,現在兩岸的關係這麼這樣的不好,\n\n09:49.337 --> 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院其實有點略降，以今年來講的話……"],["萬委員美玲：院長，麻煩你不要用我剛才跟你講的數據來回答好嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：以今年來講的話，大概會比去年略升，就南院有略升，然後北院當然是增加幅度比較大，但是都不如預期，這是真的，這是我們要努力的一個方向。"],["萬委員美玲：為什麼我們自己的民眾不願意去南院？為什麼南院的參訪人次這麼不好，還一直下降？你有去了解過原因嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：因為現在統計還沒有統計到年底。"],["萬委員美玲：不是，院長，因為一樣是已經疫情後了，我們都在努力中，何以北院的人次會上升，而南院還下降，這是為什麼？"],["蕭院長宗煌：這個我們要再理解看看。"],["萬委員美玲：所以你都不知道原因，院長，如果你不知道原因，怎麼去努力讓南院的人次往上呢？你說你還要再去了解看看，這個讓我覺得非常錯愕。一樣北院，一樣南院，一樣疫情之後了，所以希望你一個禮拜之內給我一個原因，好不好？這不可能沒有原因。","另外，我看到故宮的北院有辦故宮遊藝思，讓學生參訪北部院區，這是開放給全國公立高中以下的學校來申請的；我們剛剛看到南院整體的本國、外國參訪人次都不好，而南院有一個百萬學子悠遊博物館的專案計畫，卻只有開放給新竹以南到屏東縣市的學校，為什麼要有這樣的差異？"],["蕭院長宗煌：這個部分的話，那時候是做一個南北院區域的分……"],["萬委員美玲：好，院長，我知道，你想要做南北院的區隔，就是北院給北區的學校參訪，南院給南區的學校參訪。"],["蕭院長宗煌：對。"],["萬委員美玲：但是院長，這是很無聊的一件事……"],["蕭院長宗煌：明年我們會擴張到南……"],["萬委員美玲：你難不成還怕你開放了之後，還搶掉了北院的生意嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：不會、不會，明年南院會開放到北部。"],["萬委員美玲：你看南院現在其實參訪人次是不好的，事實上南院其實有很多值得看的地方，南院的同仁也很努力，而南院占地70公頃，比北院還大，現在在蓋國寶館，其實是非常適合學生前往參觀的，所以你這樣的開放方式，本席覺得不好，是不是院長可以做一個調整？"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們明年就調整。"],["萬委員美玲：怎麼調整？"],["蕭院長宗煌：明年我們會納入北部的部分，因為這也是一個有合作單位、有委辦單位的，所以明年……"],["萬委員美玲：很好，也就是明年1月以後，我們全國的學生也都可以按照他們的意願申請北院或南院的參訪了，對嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：對。"],["萬委員美玲：好，這個辦法要趕快讓教育部下去給我們所有的學校都知道，好嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：是。"],["萬委員美玲：最後，我們看到雖然北院的參訪人數逐漸在恢復，可是並沒有反應在整個故宮的營收上，根據故宮自己的統計，112年故宮實體跟網路的商業營收加起來是3億1,069萬，可是我們看到113年截至10月的營收只有2億5,878萬，所以為什麼參訪人數變多，營收卻下降？這個原因不會又不知道了吧？"],["蕭院長宗煌：跟委員報告，因為全年度還沒有結算，因為今年、這幾年都……"],["萬委員美玲：院長，你說全年度沒有結算，您的意思是說後面這2個月可以再增加1億，是這樣嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：門票跟基金都會增加。"],["萬委員美玲：所以你有把握今年可以超過去年，是這樣嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：會，會超過去年。"],["萬委員美玲：沒有問題嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：對。"],["萬委員美玲：那很好。"],["蕭院長宗煌：因為它的結算是後面1個月。"],["萬委員美玲：好，因為本席看到這個數據，在比例上來說，要用後面這一個多月、兩個月去增加1億的營收，看起來是有困難……"],["蕭院長宗煌：結算沒有問題。"],["萬委員美玲：但是院長說是可以達標，我想我們就是恭喜並且肯定。","再來我們看到，故宮文物藝術發展基金繳庫數好像也是往下降，這個部分可以說明一下嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：繳庫數，實際上我們現在的淨利沒有那麼高，可是繳庫數我們是一直在爭取降低沒有錯，因為現在是解繳基金在繳庫，所以繳庫數減少是讓我們之前的成本去攤平。"],["萬委員美玲：好。院長，我認為疫情一定是重創故宮，但是過去我們也很清楚知道，我們有大部分的參訪人次來自於對岸的遊客，現在兩岸這樣的情況，對故宮的影響是不是依然是最大的阻礙因素？"],["蕭院長宗煌：當然是有很大的影響，像110年、111年疫情期間，可是因為它繳庫的概算是在之前就編列了，所以我們還是照那個額度去繳庫，中間的話其實我們不能講虧空，就是說我們那個基金……"],["萬委員美玲：虧空喔？這個詞用得不太對吧！"],["蕭院長宗煌：就是我們基金的額度下降滿多的，所以現在基本上就希望把這個基金彌平。"],["萬委員美玲：院長，我們可能要再嚴謹一點，好嗎？要不然你說了這個話，我想同仁大家都捏一把冷汗。最後我用一點點時間提醒院長，我想在受疫情重創之後，現在兩岸的關係這麼的不好，北院、南院的同仁都很努力，那怎麼樣不管在營收、在人次上面可以往上提升，我們要先找到原因，像剛剛院長講的原因不詳這種事情不能夠再發生。"],["蕭院長宗煌：不是原因不詳，而是因為原因非常的多元，就是沒有辦法說是單純因為一個原因，所謂的邊境開放當然是一個主要的原因，可是還有其他的原因……"],["萬委員美玲：院長，如果有機會的話，你會不會跟中央建議其實兩岸應該要開放，至少在觀光旅遊的部分？"],["蕭院長宗煌：私底下不管是故宮或個人，我都有在表達。"],["萬委員美玲：很好，我們繼續加油，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝召委，謝謝院長。","我們接下來請葛如鈞委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-11","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","葉元之","羅廷瑋","林宜瑾","吳春城","郭昱晴","張雅琳","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":131,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案；三、處理或審查 113\n年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管預算（公務預算）解凍案3案（第一案及第二案僅\n進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11311001_00004"}}}