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00:02:50,867\n依據故宮文物藝術發展基金的第五條故宮收購文物的基金來源就是故宮益發基金請教院長您知道最近一次收購文物是在哪一年嗎故宮最近收購文物的話是在幾年前在疫情之前\n\n9\n00:02:52,802 --> 00:03:03,398\n110年度中央政府總預算今年還剩下不到一個月就結束了據院長瞭解故宮今年有沒有構藏任何一件文物故宮沒有而且因為我們沒有編列預算\n\n10\n00:03:06,442 --> 00:03:22,687\n姑宮連續四年沒有收購任何文物,但過去有沒有收購?有喔!先前故宮後來每年從藝發基金拿出一筆錢等著要買文物,全世界的\n\n11\n00:03:24,779 --> 00:03:45,815\n這個博物館、美術館這本來就是一個很正常的事情結果呢故宮最後都把這筆權原封不動的再放回去現在居然連購藏文物的預算直接懶得編請教一下院長近幾年沒有購藏文物的原因是什麼是不是打算要放棄以收購的方式來取得文物都叫大家用捐的啊用愛啊這個什麼可不可以解釋一下\n\n12\n00:03:48,831 --> 00:03:49,371\n委員長,我們時間有限,我問的是113、114都是0嘛\n\n13\n00:04:39,255 --> 00:04:41,137\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:05:00,675 --> 00:05:01,715\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n15\n00:05:23,544 --> 00:05:39,694\n因為這個部分的話如果真的有好的物件我們可以用基金因為基金本來就有這樣的功能所以不用先編是不是到時候想花多少就直接挪多少嗎也不是這個樣子但是基金它就有一個彈性的調整功能這是一個態度\n\n16\n00:05:40,614 --> 00:06:00,127\n根據你們的作業要點其實你們本來就應該要預先編列這個預算而且確實你們需要經過很多的審查而且這個審查在故宮裡面特別特別不一樣你們是實務審查我當然理解這是小心為上但是其實這就全球的這個趨勢來講也非常特別\n\n17\n00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:08,412\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n18\n00:06:31,207 --> 00:06:54,486\n我們才重啟預算編列,也是後年。好,沒關係,謝謝院長願意負責。為什麼?因為其實院內的人力雖然大家都很辛苦,但是我想大家就是要各自負責不同的工作,這才是一個團隊。你不能說我現在處理手上的事了,其他的事情我們過去有做了我現在就不做了。\n\n19\n00:06:55,046 --> 00:07:01,108\n其實有很多構藏的機制我也希望院長可以考慮除了編列預算這是重中之重還是要提前來討論之外其實還有更多彈性的構藏的方法主動出擊你說你都買不起那看你是從哪些管道去買現在巴塞爾藝術展的年報都已經講了\n\n20\n00:07:15,692 --> 00:07:42,518\n現在有非常多的博物館、美術館都開始用線上購藏的方式你可以事先去看預展你可以瞭解這個產品之後用線上購買的方式來作業所以我想因數位時代來臨請問院長能不能請故宮研議去讓展品購藏的相關辦法更加的主動、積極、更有彈性這是我們這一屆的行政院的標語嘛是不是\n\n21\n00:07:42,858 --> 00:07:42,998\n議員主席\n\n22\n00:08:00,992 --> 00:08:01,352\n目前故宮編列了18億\n\n23\n00:08:16,946 --> 00:08:43,259\n展品出現的機率其實很低,圖書文獻類到113年度的展示率是0.094%那你們有編列了將近20億,北區重建計畫編列9.1億請教院長,你們擴建完成以後預計可以增加多少的展示空間或者我們就數據化的來了解,各類文物的展示率有沒有辦法提高到10%\n\n24\n00:08:45,391 --> 00:09:02,640\n公務員報告沒有辦法,為什麼沒有辦法?因為基本上來講北院擴建跟南院擴建的話都增加200平方米但是所謂的博物館的展示力並不是所有的同學都可以上運動場去跑百米\n\n25\n00:09:03,450 --> 00:09:18,503\n所以在文物裡面有一些是研究用的對不起院長我打斷您現在國際的趨勢不是要跑步就一定要上場跑百米也可以在室內運動場練習給您了解一下啦我想故宮您作為一個國際型的博物館我們眼睛要張開放眼未來要購藏產品\n\n26\n00:09:27,270 --> 00:09:49,681\n二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算案二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算案\n\n27\n00:10:17,816 --> 00:10:43,236\n我想我希望您可以放寬心胸瞭解世界上的趨勢往前看現在已經有非常多的地方做開放庫房庫房可以用玻璃圍牆可以用各種方式讓產品非常好的存放在那個地方但是又可以讓民眾看到這個我想當然您又提到opendata又提到數位的方式我現在手上拿的這個visionpro\n\n28\n00:10:45,477 --> 00:10:58,451\n現在新的設備台灣好不容易可以預購了12月17號要出現了戴上它你可以看到虛擬的文物我想故宮在這裡院長接下來這是一個關鍵期\n\n29\n00:11:02,155 --> 00:11:08,981\n議員提到,我們應該要有更多的方式來模擬、來看這些展品,是不是院長可以承諾來進行內部的討論?\n\n30\n00:11:17,470 --> 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data又提到數位的方式我現在手上拿的這個vision pro\n現在新的設備台灣好不容易可以預購了12月17號要出現了戴上它你可以看到虛擬的文物我想故宮在這裡院長接下來這是一個關鍵期\n議員提到,我們應該要有更多的方式來模擬、來看這些展品,是不是院長可以承諾來進行內部的討論?\n五月請我們主任去荷蘭路特丹的曼斯博物館,它就是一個完整的開放庫房。另外館長今天下午會在庫房演講。謝謝葛如君委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.829 --> 00:10.433\n同屬教育委員會的教育部文化部也都傳出有霸凌案件正在進行調查想先請教一下院長您這邊有沒有接獲相關霸凌案件的投訴\n\n00:13.604 --> 00:35.069\n故宮其實故宮其實也有故宮的話就是說依照那個人事室給我的資料的話109年有一件然後這個申訴原件申訴主席院長我問的是在這個事件爆發之後是不是有新的接獲的霸凌案件的投訴有或沒有\n\n00:36.100 --> 01:03.849\n現在的話就今年以今年來講的話就8月份有一個投訴案所以霸凌案傳出來以後你們都沒有接獲新的嗎?因為我們的理解日前行政院一聲令下要求相關部會甚至回溯期有的到10年有關霸凌的案件都可以再提出那假設故宮院內有人反映霸凌的情形你理論上應該已經開始要接獲要積極處理了所以你們目前都沒有接獲新的案件\n\n01:04.749 --> 01:25.884\n目前調查中的有一件有沒有新接獲的案件在勞動部霸凌事件之後你現在都不回答那你之後如果有案件完全沒有嗎所以故宮這個那您剛剛說還有一個調查的案件什麼時候會出爐現在在處理中九月份也是在這個事件之前\n\n01:26.806 --> 01:52.913\n我想故宮的情況比較特殊啦過去有一些特殊文化那也有一些這個同仁的一些狀況我想院長應該要小心的針對這個情況來做內部的了解好不好沒有不代表真的沒有目前行政院傳出來每一個部會都在做內部的了解是故宮真的特別和平嗎?您有這樣的信心嗎?您有這樣的信心之後就是你們這邊都是零件嗎?\n\n01:54.214 --> 02:04.352\n你可以這樣保證嗎?基本上來講申訴有就是那個霸凌他有他的定義然後申訴有他的管道目前來講正式提出的管道是沒有\n\n02:08.070 --> 02:31.556\n但是對同人的關懷這個事情我們都持續在記錄我想針對內部針對這個霸凌案件不管是過去調查中的還是未來你們現在是零件的這件事情希望你們有一些相關的資訊可以提供給本席了解好不好謝謝我想今天是114年度預算的答詢我想我們想要了解的是這個收購文物的部分\n\n02:32.136 --> 02:50.867\n依據故宮文物藝術發展基金的第五條故宮收購文物的基金來源就是故宮益發基金請教院長您知道最近一次收購文物是在哪一年嗎故宮最近收購文物的話是在幾年前在疫情之前\n\n02:52.802 --> 03:03.398\n110年度中央政府總預算今年還剩下不到一個月就結束了據院長瞭解故宮今年有沒有構藏任何一件文物故宮沒有而且因為我們沒有編列預算\n\n03:06.442 --> 03:22.687\n姑宮連續四年沒有收購任何文物,但過去有沒有收購?有喔!先前故宮後來每年從藝發基金拿出一筆錢等著要買文物,全世界的\n\n03:24.779 --> 03:45.815\n這個博物館、美術館這本來就是一個很正常的事情結果呢故宮最後都把這筆權原封不動的再放回去現在居然連購藏文物的預算直接懶得編請教一下院長近幾年沒有購藏文物的原因是什麼是不是打算要放棄以收購的方式來取得文物都叫大家用捐的啊用愛啊這個什麼可不可以解釋一下\n\n03:48.831 --> 03:49.371\n委員長,我們時間有限,我問的是113、114都是0嘛\n\n04:39.255 --> 04:41.137\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n05:00.675 --> 05:01.715\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n05:23.544 --> 05:39.694\n因為這個部分的話如果真的有好的物件我們可以用基金因為基金本來就有這樣的功能所以不用先編是不是到時候想花多少就直接挪多少嗎也不是這個樣子但是基金它就有一個彈性的調整功能這是一個態度\n\n05:40.614 --> 06:00.127\n根據你們的作業要點其實你們本來就應該要預先編列這個預算而且確實你們需要經過很多的審查而且這個審查在故宮裡面特別特別不一樣你們是實務審查我當然理解這是小心為上但是其實這就全球的這個趨勢來講也非常特別\n\n06:03.029 --> 06:08.412\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n06:31.207 --> 06:54.486\n我們才重啟預算編列,也是後年。好,沒關係,謝謝院長願意負責。為什麼?因為其實院內的人力雖然大家都很辛苦,但是我想大家就是要各自負責不同的工作,這才是一個團隊。你不能說我現在處理手上的事了,其他的事情我們過去有做了我現在就不做了。\n\n06:55.046 --> 07:01.108\n其實有很多構藏的機制我也希望院長可以考慮除了編列預算這是重中之重還是要提前來討論之外其實還有更多彈性的構藏的方法主動出擊你說你都買不起那看你是從哪些管道去買現在巴塞爾藝術展的年報都已經講了\n\n07:15.692 --> 07:42.518\n現在有非常多的博物館、美術館都開始用線上購藏的方式你可以事先去看預展你可以瞭解這個產品之後用線上購買的方式來作業所以我想因數位時代來臨請問院長能不能請故宮研議去讓展品購藏的相關辦法更加的主動、積極、更有彈性這是我們這一屆的行政院的標語嘛是不是\n\n07:42.858 --> 07:42.998\n議員主席\n\n08:00.992 --> 08:01.352\n目前故宮編列了18億\n\n08:16.946 --> 08:43.259\n展品出現的機率其實很低,圖書文獻類到113年度的展示率是0.094%那你們有編列了將近20億,北區重建計畫編列9.1億請教院長,你們擴建完成以後預計可以增加多少的展示空間或者我們就數據化的來了解,各類文物的展示率有沒有辦法提高到10%\n\n08:45.391 --> 09:02.640\n公務員報告沒有辦法,為什麼沒有辦法?因為基本上來講北院擴建跟南院擴建的話都增加200平方米但是所謂的博物館的展示力並不是所有的同學都可以上運動場去跑百米\n\n09:03.450 --> 09:18.503\n所以在文物裡面有一些是研究用的對不起院長我打斷您現在國際的趨勢不是要跑步就一定要上場跑百米也可以在室內運動場練習給您了解一下啦我想故宮您作為一個國際型的博物館我們眼睛要張開放眼未來要購藏產品\n\n09:27.270 --> 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