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00:01:39,802\n我們再把單月單月列出來我覺得對於南院我們還是很有期待院長你自己怎麼看我可不可以給你多一些時間來回答關於南院這一題目前規劃的想像而南院當然就是大家對南院很大的期待可是南院的確是在交通區域上它有比較不方便但是以我自己的認定的話突破100萬的話是南院的一個\n\n5\n00:02:03,755 --> 00:02:19,114\n好,院長你剛講到兩個關鍵第一個說你認為可能是因為交通不方便再來第二個你說你們2025的100的plus你們會把北院的重要文物帶到南院去但是交通不方便這個議題我認為應該也不會只有故宮南院有這個困境\n\n6\n00:02:39,758 --> 00:03:00,625\n再來我們來看一下院長這是我手上故宮自己在賣的文創商品這個是翠玉白菜的筆作我們來看一下這個設計公司看起來應該是台灣可是呢他的製造廠商這個標題是這樣他叫做國立故宮博物院合作開發商品那設計廠商是台灣設計可是是中國製造下一頁\n\n7\n00:03:01,305 --> 00:03:03,188\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n8\n00:03:13,595 --> 00:03:13,875\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n9\n00:03:43,775 --> 00:03:58,102\n但是我不懂,如果有這麼大的,光是製造的部分,成本2億多,為什麼不能在台灣製造?你們是找不到廠商,還是因為你們這個文創商品的標案流程,你們其實是沒有限制廠商可以去中國下單嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:59,336 --> 00:04:25,732\n根委員報告在商言商因為臺灣的代理商臺灣的設計臺灣的製作然後就是製作在大陸基本上來講賺錢的還是臺灣的廠商臺灣的代理商但是如果在臺灣的話我知道在臺灣做的話基本上來講的話他的成本所以那我可以問一下這個這樣的合作開發商品他的正常流程應該是什麼\n\n11\n00:04:28,642 --> 00:04:53,038\n報告委員補充說明說商品是廠商提案申請完以後經過故宮審查才可以在故宮上架所以他不是用採購的提議好那以翠玉白菜來說我要去做這個比作然後我跟故宮申請然後你們同意了我的企劃書你們滿意然後呢我去哪裡下單製造你們也不管我你們其實就只有收售權費嘛然後跟在你們的文創商店賣的額外的營業額對不對我們會特別鼓勵廠商用在台灣的\n\n12\n00:04:54,019 --> 00:04:54,899\n獎勵博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n13\n00:05:17,090 --> 00:05:18,551\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:05:37,227 --> 00:05:54,639\n但是因為小東西的話有時候成本的關係我相信你們這91萬件不見得都是madeinchina對不對一定有相關的案子是在台灣完成的我想大部分都是台灣高價位都是台灣那個小東西的話因為小東西成本的關係面長也要確定喔大部分嗎\n\n15\n00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,580\n二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n16\n00:06:10,985 --> 00:06:33,605\n故宮在設計相關合作開發商品接受廠商做標案跟提企劃的時候如果有一個這個更高的標準我認為其實也是照顧台灣廠商因為這幾年中國的製造品質其實大家也慢慢發現很多的問題所以我想我還是要拜託故宮在這件事情上當有廠商來提案他當然必須要將本求利我可以理解可是如果有一些些的可能性我認為我們還是要繼續鼓勵我們會盡量鼓勵台灣的廠商\n\n17\n00:06:37,908 --> 00:07:04,026\n這個部分我們也會再往下追蹤接下來我要問一下關於100plus的部分院長我不知道你記不記得去年的9月2024年的9月我就口頭跟您提過你說要回去研究到了10月我在委員會質詢給您建議你說已經開了三次會議到了去年11月我正式用預算提案這個是我從去年就開始一直在追的題目可是我們往下看看到今年的1月故宮給我們的報告就只有三段話包含\n\n18\n00:07:05,228 --> 00:07:27,618\n公共化、在地化、專業化、多元化、國際化這些元素你們都沒有說你們就簡單的三段文字就想要告訴我這是你們的一百plus我覺得這個非常的荒謬那我們再來看我們到預算書裡面去把一百plus的關鍵字幫院長你抓出來了我們看到這邊會用將近一億三千多萬包含有紙計劃包含還有行銷、媒宣還有策展\n\n19\n00:07:28,038 --> 00:07:45,735\n但是我們看到你們實際上的內容其實你們還把今年已經開辦的大美不言算進去把法國跟捷克辦的兩個龍展也算進去然後如同你們的報告上面說南北院特展還有避送故宮送版圖書千年神域北送西元雅集傳奇還有江戶服飾假死萬年把這些\n\n20\n00:07:46,135 --> 00:07:48,556\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n21\n00:08:13,978 --> 00:08:14,138\n委員會主席\n\n22\n00:08:41,698 --> 00:08:43,139\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n23\n00:09:00,872 --> 00:09:01,993\n國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物\n\n24\n00:09:20,229 --> 00:09:20,690\n我從10月質詢、11月審查預算、1月收到報告\n\n25\n00:09:38,328 --> 00:10:03,802\n只有三行字12月現在要審查預算我看到你們經費變得非常非常多可是卻沒有具體的計畫跟說明我認為這件事情他不只很難吸引台灣的遊客剛剛萬美林委員也說他希望可以吸引中國遊客我更想說的是不管中國遊客要不要來我覺得是另外一個議題可是台灣現在每年到台灣來觀光的日本人跟韓國人絕對也都會對故宮有興趣可是我看不到一個論述的話語的能力好嗎院長\n\n26\n00:10:04,562 --> 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china對不對一定有相關的案子是在台灣完成的我想大部分都是台灣高價位都是台灣那個小東西的話因為小東西成本的關係面長也要確定喔大部分嗎\n355760\t356580\t二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算\n370985\t393605\t故宮在設計相關合作開發商品接受廠商做標案跟提企劃的時候如果有一個這個更高的標準我認為其實也是照顧台灣廠商因為這幾年中國的製造品質其實大家也慢慢發現很多的問題所以我想我還是要拜託故宮在這件事情上當有廠商來提案他當然必須要將本求利我可以理解可是如果有一些些的可能性我認為我們還是要繼續鼓勵我們會盡量鼓勵台灣的廠商\n397908\t424026\t這個部分我們也會再往下追蹤接下來我要問一下關於100plus的部分院長我不知道你記不記得去年的9月2024年的9月我就口頭跟您提過你說要回去研究到了10月我在委員會質詢給您建議你說已經開了三次會議到了去年11月我正式用預算提案這個是我從去年就開始一直在追的題目可是我們往下看看到今年的1月故宮給我們的報告就只有三段話包含\n425228\t447618\t公共化、在地化、專業化、多元化、國際化這些元素你們都沒有說你們就簡單的三段文字就想要告訴我這是你們的一百plus我覺得這個非常的荒謬那我們再來看我們到預算書裡面去把一百plus的關鍵字幫院長你抓出來了我們看到這邊會用將近一億三千多萬包含有紙計劃包含還有行銷、媒宣還有策展\n448038\t465735\t但是我們看到你們實際上的內容其實你們還把今年已經開辦的大美不言算進去把法國跟捷克辦的兩個龍展也算進去然後如同你們的報告上面說南北院特展還有避送故宮送版圖書千年神域北送西元雅集傳奇還有江戶服飾假死萬年把這些\n466135\t468556\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n493978\t494138\t委員會主席\n521698\t523139\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n540872\t541993\t國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物\n560229\t560690\t我從10月質詢、11月審查預算、1月收到報告\n578328\t603802\t只有三行字12月現在要審查預算我看到你們經費變得非常非常多可是卻沒有具體的計畫跟說明我認為這件事情他不只很難吸引台灣的遊客剛剛萬美林委員也說他希望可以吸引中國遊客我更想說的是不管中國遊客要不要來我覺得是另外一個議題可是台灣現在每年到台灣來觀光的日本人跟韓國人絕對也都會對故宮有興趣可是我看不到一個論述的話語的能力好嗎院長\n604562\t629023\t所以我追了我從去年一直追追到現在已經一年了我們還是看不到百年plus的特殊性或者是他讓大家如何想像到我跟故宮百年plus的關係我認為這個部分故宮拜託要再加強還是院長你覺得這已經改了這已經做了沒辦法沒有沒有沒有這論述的話當然是當然是沒有譬如說我們有一個展覽叫做甲子萬年甲子萬年的話就是故宮北院然後這\n630782\t657054\t故宮到台灣來每一件物品跟故宮的時代的接軌的一個關係那這個東西的話當然他會有一個陳述可是因為那個策展整個文案還沒有出來所以文案沒有出來的話他只是只能用一種比較好那最後一個問題如果真的像院長您說的我們現在就尊重您的規劃跟您的想像您認為這可以給故宮帶來多少人次的上升\n659012\t671520\t如果因為百年plus你們的用心規劃跟企劃因為我們在做一個企劃我們當然會設定他的目標我們要走到哪裡去嗎我們當然就是北岸250萬然後南岸100萬350萬的話是我們一起的現階段的一個目標\n676223\t676884\t主席主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請院長\n陳院長好院長早我想要先第一題跟院長討論一下南北院人潮落差很大那其實剛也非常多委員都有提到這件事情我們看到故宮最近的新聞包含北院在上個月初都還有都已經達到去年整年的參觀人次那我們看起來應該整體數字是樂觀的是不斷上升的我們甚至看到南院還辦路跑活動這可能不是大家一般認識博物館的方法但我們看到還有4700人參與我相信故宮在球星球片上\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n我們再把單月單月列出來我覺得對於南院我們還是很有期待院長你自己怎麼看我可不可以給你多一些時間來回答關於南院這一題目前規劃的想像而南院當然就是大家對南院很大的期待可是南院的確是在交通區域上它有比較不方便但是以我自己的認定的話突破100萬的話是南院的一個\n議員議員議員議員\n好,院長你剛講到兩個關鍵第一個說你認為可能是因為交通不方便再來第二個你說你們2025的100的plus你們會把北院的重要文物帶到南院去但是交通不方便這個議題我認為應該也不會只有故宮南院有這個困境\n議員議員議員議員\n再來我們來看一下院長這是我手上故宮自己在賣的文創商品這個是翠玉白菜的筆作我們來看一下這個設計公司看起來應該是台灣可是呢他的製造廠商這個標題是這樣他叫做國立故宮博物院合作開發商品那設計廠商是台灣設計可是是中國製造下一頁\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n但是我不懂,如果有這麼大的,光是製造的部分,成本2億多,為什麼不能在台灣製造?你們是找不到廠商,還是因為你們這個文創商品的標案流程,你們其實是沒有限制廠商可以去中國下單嗎?\n根委員報告在商言商因為臺灣的代理商臺灣的設計臺灣的製作然後就是製作在大陸基本上來講賺錢的還是臺灣的廠商臺灣的代理商但是如果在臺灣的話我知道在臺灣做的話基本上來講的話他的成本所以那我可以問一下這個這樣的合作開發商品他的正常流程應該是什麼\n報告委員補充說明說商品是廠商提案申請完以後經過故宮審查才可以在故宮上架所以他不是用採購的提議好那以翠玉白菜來說我要去做這個比作然後我跟故宮申請然後你們同意了我的企劃書你們滿意然後呢我去哪裡下單製造你們也不管我你們其實就只有收售權費嘛然後跟在你們的文創商店賣的額外的營業額對不對我們會特別鼓勵廠商用在台灣的\n獎勵博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n但是因為小東西的話有時候成本的關係我相信你們這91萬件不見得都是made 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china對不對一定有相關的案子是在台灣完成的我想大部分都是台灣高價位都是台灣那個小東西的話因為小東西成本的關係面長也要確定喔大部分嗎\n二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算\n故宮在設計相關合作開發商品接受廠商做標案跟提企劃的時候如果有一個這個更高的標準我認為其實也是照顧台灣廠商因為這幾年中國的製造品質其實大家也慢慢發現很多的問題所以我想我還是要拜託故宮在這件事情上當有廠商來提案他當然必須要將本求利我可以理解可是如果有一些些的可能性我認為我們還是要繼續鼓勵我們會盡量鼓勵台灣的廠商\n這個部分我們也會再往下追蹤接下來我要問一下關於100plus的部分院長我不知道你記不記得去年的9月2024年的9月我就口頭跟您提過你說要回去研究到了10月我在委員會質詢給您建議你說已經開了三次會議到了去年11月我正式用預算提案這個是我從去年就開始一直在追的題目可是我們往下看看到今年的1月故宮給我們的報告就只有三段話包含\n公共化、在地化、專業化、多元化、國際化這些元素你們都沒有說你們就簡單的三段文字就想要告訴我這是你們的一百plus我覺得這個非常的荒謬那我們再來看我們到預算書裡面去把一百plus的關鍵字幫院長你抓出來了我們看到這邊會用將近一億三千多萬包含有紙計劃包含還有行銷、媒宣還有策展\n但是我們看到你們實際上的內容其實你們還把今年已經開辦的大美不言算進去把法國跟捷克辦的兩個龍展也算進去然後如同你們的報告上面說南北院特展還有避送故宮送版圖書千年神域北送西元雅集傳奇還有江戶服飾假死萬年把這些\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n委員會主席\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物\n我從10月質詢、11月審查預算、1月收到報告\n只有三行字12月現在要審查預算我看到你們經費變得非常非常多可是卻沒有具體的計畫跟說明我認為這件事情他不只很難吸引台灣的遊客剛剛萬美林委員也說他希望可以吸引中國遊客我更想說的是不管中國遊客要不要來我覺得是另外一個議題可是台灣現在每年到台灣來觀光的日本人跟韓國人絕對也都會對故宮有興趣可是我看不到一個論述的話語的能力好嗎院長\n所以我追了我從去年一直追追到現在已經一年了我們還是看不到百年plus的特殊性或者是他讓大家如何想像到我跟故宮百年plus的關係我認為這個部分故宮拜託要再加強還是院長你覺得這已經改了這已經做了沒辦法沒有沒有沒有這論述的話當然是當然是沒有譬如說我們有一個展覽叫做甲子萬年甲子萬年的話就是故宮北院然後這\n故宮到台灣來每一件物品跟故宮的時代的接軌的一個關係那這個東西的話當然他會有一個陳述可是因為那個策展整個文案還沒有出來所以文案沒有出來的話他只是只能用一種比較好那最後一個問題如果真的像院長您說的我們現在就尊重您的規劃跟您的想像您認為這可以給故宮帶來多少人次的上升\n如果因為百年plus你們的用心規劃跟企劃因為我們在做一個企劃我們當然會設定他的目標我們要走到哪裡去嗎我們當然就是北岸250萬然後南岸100萬350萬的話是我們一起的現階段的一個目標\n主席主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.117 --> 00:11.879\n謝謝主席,有請院長\n\n00:19.774 --> 00:48.356\n陳院長好院長早我想要先第一題跟院長討論一下南北院人潮落差很大那其實剛也非常多委員都有提到這件事情我們看到故宮最近的新聞包含北院在上個月初都還有都已經達到去年整年的參觀人次那我們看起來應該整體數字是樂觀的是不斷上升的我們甚至看到南院還辦路跑活動這可能不是大家一般認識博物館的方法但我們看到還有4700人參與我相信故宮在球星球片上\n\n00:49.136 --> 00:50.377\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n01:13.909 --> 01:39.802\n我們再把單月單月列出來我覺得對於南院我們還是很有期待院長你自己怎麼看我可不可以給你多一些時間來回答關於南院這一題目前規劃的想像而南院當然就是大家對南院很大的期待可是南院的確是在交通區域上它有比較不方便但是以我自己的認定的話突破100萬的話是南院的一個\n\n02:03.755 --> 02:19.114\n好,院長你剛講到兩個關鍵第一個說你認為可能是因為交通不方便再來第二個你說你們2025的100的plus你們會把北院的重要文物帶到南院去但是交通不方便這個議題我認為應該也不會只有故宮南院有這個困境\n\n02:39.758 --> 03:00.625\n再來我們來看一下院長這是我手上故宮自己在賣的文創商品這個是翠玉白菜的筆作我們來看一下這個設計公司看起來應該是台灣可是呢他的製造廠商這個標題是這樣他叫做國立故宮博物院合作開發商品那設計廠商是台灣設計可是是中國製造下一頁\n\n03:01.305 --> 03:03.188\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n03:13.595 --> 03:13.875\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n03:43.775 --> 03:58.102\n但是我不懂,如果有這麼大的,光是製造的部分,成本2億多,為什麼不能在台灣製造?你們是找不到廠商,還是因為你們這個文創商品的標案流程,你們其實是沒有限制廠商可以去中國下單嗎?\n\n03:59.336 --> 04:25.732\n根委員報告在商言商因為臺灣的代理商臺灣的設計臺灣的製作然後就是製作在大陸基本上來講賺錢的還是臺灣的廠商臺灣的代理商但是如果在臺灣的話我知道在臺灣做的話基本上來講的話他的成本所以那我可以問一下這個這樣的合作開發商品他的正常流程應該是什麼\n\n04:28.642 --> 04:53.038\n報告委員補充說明說商品是廠商提案申請完以後經過故宮審查才可以在故宮上架所以他不是用採購的提議好那以翠玉白菜來說我要去做這個比作然後我跟故宮申請然後你們同意了我的企劃書你們滿意然後呢我去哪裡下單製造你們也不管我你們其實就只有收售權費嘛然後跟在你們的文創商店賣的額外的營業額對不對我們會特別鼓勵廠商用在台灣的\n\n04:54.019 --> 04:54.899\n獎勵博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n05:17.090 --> 05:18.551\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n05:37.227 --> 05:54.639\n但是因為小東西的話有時候成本的關係我相信你們這91萬件不見得都是madeinchina對不對一定有相關的案子是在台灣完成的我想大部分都是台灣高價位都是台灣那個小東西的話因為小東西成本的關係面長也要確定喔大部分嗎\n\n05:55.760 --> 05:56.580\n二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n06:10.985 --> 06:33.605\n故宮在設計相關合作開發商品接受廠商做標案跟提企劃的時候如果有一個這個更高的標準我認為其實也是照顧台灣廠商因為這幾年中國的製造品質其實大家也慢慢發現很多的問題所以我想我還是要拜託故宮在這件事情上當有廠商來提案他當然必須要將本求利我可以理解可是如果有一些些的可能性我認為我們還是要繼續鼓勵我們會盡量鼓勵台灣的廠商\n\n06:37.908 --> 07:04.026\n這個部分我們也會再往下追蹤接下來我要問一下關於100plus的部分院長我不知道你記不記得去年的9月2024年的9月我就口頭跟您提過你說要回去研究到了10月我在委員會質詢給您建議你說已經開了三次會議到了去年11月我正式用預算提案這個是我從去年就開始一直在追的題目可是我們往下看看到今年的1月故宮給我們的報告就只有三段話包含\n\n07:05.228 --> 07:27.618\n公共化、在地化、專業化、多元化、國際化這些元素你們都沒有說你們就簡單的三段文字就想要告訴我這是你們的一百plus我覺得這個非常的荒謬那我們再來看我們到預算書裡面去把一百plus的關鍵字幫院長你抓出來了我們看到這邊會用將近一億三千多萬包含有紙計劃包含還有行銷、媒宣還有策展\n\n07:28.038 --> 07:45.735\n但是我們看到你們實際上的內容其實你們還把今年已經開辦的大美不言算進去把法國跟捷克辦的兩個龍展也算進去然後如同你們的報告上面說南北院特展還有避送故宮送版圖書千年神域北送西元雅集傳奇還有江戶服飾假死萬年把這些\n\n07:46.135 --> 07:48.556\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n08:13.978 --> 08:14.138\n委員會主席\n\n08:41.698 --> 08:43.139\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n09:00.872 --> 09:01.993\n國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物\n\n09:20.229 --> 09:20.690\n我從10月質詢、11月審查預算、1月收到報告\n\n09:38.328 --> 10:03.802\n只有三行字12月現在要審查預算我看到你們經費變得非常非常多可是卻沒有具體的計畫跟說明我認為這件事情他不只很難吸引台灣的遊客剛剛萬美林委員也說他希望可以吸引中國遊客我更想說的是不管中國遊客要不要來我覺得是另外一個議題可是台灣現在每年到台灣來觀光的日本人跟韓國人絕對也都會對故宮有興趣可是我看不到一個論述的話語的能力好嗎院長\n\n10:04.562 --> 10:29.023\n所以我追了我從去年一直追追到現在已經一年了我們還是看不到百年plus的特殊性或者是他讓大家如何想像到我跟故宮百年plus的關係我認為這個部分故宮拜託要再加強還是院長你覺得這已經改了這已經做了沒辦法沒有沒有沒有這論述的話當然是當然是沒有譬如說我們有一個展覽叫做甲子萬年甲子萬年的話就是故宮北院然後這\n\n10:30.782 --> 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China對不對？一定有相關的案子是在臺灣完成的。"],["蕭院長宗煌：我想大部分都是臺灣，高價位都是臺灣……"],["陳委員培瑜：大部分嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：但是小東西的話，因為小東西成本的關係……"],["陳委員培瑜：院長，你要確定喔！大部分嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：那個印刷……"],["陳委員培瑜：你們有盤點過嗎？91萬件……"],["蕭院長宗煌：清明上河圖那個大圖，那些高價位的都是臺灣自己生產的。"],["陳委員培瑜：所以你覺得這個不算高價？可是這也是高價位筆記本，680欸，裡面什麼都沒有！我要講啦，我認為故宮在設計相關合作開發商品，接受廠商做標案跟提企劃的時候，如果有一個更高的標準，我認為其實也是照顧臺灣廠商，因為這幾年中國的製造品質，其實大家也慢慢發現很多的問題，所以我想還是要拜託故宮在這件事情上，當有廠商來提案，他當然必須要將本求利，我可以理解，可是如果有一些些的可能性，我認為我們還是要積極鼓勵。"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們都會儘量鼓勵臺灣的廠商。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，這個部分我們以後再往下追蹤。接下來我要問一下關於「100+」的部分。院長，我不知道你記不記得去（2023）年9月我就口頭跟您提過，你說要回去研究，到了10月我在委員會質詢給你建議，你說已經開了3次會議，到了去年11月我正式用預算提案，這個是我從去年就開始一直在追的題目，可是我們往下看，看到今年1月，故宮給我們的報告就只有三段話，包含公共化、在地化、專業化、多元化、國際化這些元素你們都沒有說明，你們就簡單的三段文字，就想要告訴我這是你們的「100+」，我覺得這個非常地荒謬。","我們再來看，我們到預算書裡面去幫院長把「100+」的關鍵字抓出來了，我們看到這邊會用將近一億三千多萬，包含子計畫，還有包含行銷、媒宣，還有策展，但是我們看到你們實際上的內容，其實你們還把今年已經開辦的「大美不言」算進去，把法國跟捷克辦的兩個「龍展」也算進去，然後如同你們報告上面說的，南、北院特展還有「皕宋─故宮宋版圖書觀止」、「千年神遇─北宋西園雅集傳奇」，還有「江戶浮世之美」、「甲子萬年」，把這些放在一起，叫做百年大展，我實在是看不出策展的企劃性跟能力到底在哪裡，可是實質上卻編列這麼多預算，我真的很好奇。院長，在你自己任內可以迎接這個「100+」，我認為非常地特別，歷史上不會再有第二個院長有機會迎接「故宮100+」，所以我想問，到底院長您自己在跟相關企劃團隊溝通的時候是抱持著什麼樣的想像在看這個百年plus？"],["蕭院長宗煌：博物館有博物館的一個既定行程跟它的規畫，「100+」老實講，沒有錯，是我到任以後才開始規劃的，它已經有一些既有的展覽，既有的展覽的話，我們去調整把那個展覽變成是一個比較有指標性的展覽，這個部分基本上來講，我不可能讓一個博物館把所有展覽都拿掉，然後只有一個大展，叫做百年大展。"],["陳委員培瑜：院長，我當然認同，在您到任前同仁們已經在努力的事情，我當然覺得不可以廢止，可是我覺得您到任之後，您可以接受您的同仁給你這樣的說法，然後你認為沒有辦法更改時程，所以我們就看不到一個有策展性的百年plus這件事情，我覺得……"],["蕭院長宗煌：基本上來講，這些展覽都是很重要的、很好的展覽。"],["陳委員培瑜：剛剛葛如鈞委員……"],["蕭院長宗煌：比如像「甲子萬年」、「皕宋」，這個都是非常經典的展覽……"],["陳委員培瑜：我沒有說它不經典，院長，我沒有說。"],["蕭院長宗煌：國外的博物館界都會認為這是故宮的一個……"],["陳委員培瑜：我沒有說它不經典，院長，我從頭到尾都沒有說它不經典，我是說你們現在列出來的大展，我看不出它跟百年plus的詮釋關係，你們論述的話語能力到底在哪裡？如果我們去看一個展，我們想像的是這幾個展之間可以讓我連結到百年plus，可是我現在看到相關報告裡面也沒有，更何況你們之前回給我的報告也才三句話就想要把百年plus講完，我們回到最後一頁。謝謝主席，不好意思。","我從10月質詢，11月審查預算，1月收到報告，只有三行字，現在12月要審查預算，我看到你們的經費變得非常非常多，可是卻沒有具體的計畫跟說明，我認為這件事情不只很難吸引臺灣的遊客，剛剛萬美玲委員也說他希望可以吸引中國遊客，但我更想說的是，不管中國遊客要不要來，我覺得那是另外一個議題，現在每年到臺灣來觀光的日本人跟韓國人也絕對都會對故宮有興趣，可是我看不到一個論述的話語能力，好嗎？院長，我從去年一直追，追到現在已經1年了，我們還是看不到百年plus的特殊性，或者是它如何讓大家想像到我跟故宮百年plus的關係，我認為這個部分，故宮，拜託要再加強！還是院長你覺得這已經做了，沒辦法再改？"],["蕭院長宗煌：沒有、沒有，論述的話當然是沒有錯，譬如我們有一個展覽叫做「甲子萬年」，「甲子萬年」就是故宮北院……是故宮到臺灣來，每一件物品跟故宮時代接軌的一個關係，這個東西當然會有一個陳述，可是因為那個策展的整個文案還沒有出來，文案沒有出來的話，它只能用一種比較形容式的……"],["陳委員培瑜：好，最後一個問題，如果真的像院長您說的，我們現在就尊重您的規劃跟您的想像，你認為這可以給故宮帶來多少人次的上升？"],["蕭院長宗煌：故宮不能……"],["陳委員培瑜：如果因為百年plus，你們的用心規劃跟企劃……因為我們在做一個企畫，當然會設定它的目標要走到哪裡去嘛。"],["蕭院長宗煌：我們當然就是北院250萬，然後南院100萬，350萬是我們現階段的一個預期目標。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，我們就來看看有沒有機會達到這個目標，如果沒有，我認為回過來檢討如何加強不同國家的遊客，日本的、韓國的或是我們臺灣自己的本地遊客對故宮的認識跟想像，我認為這是故宮非常重要的任務。以上，謝謝院長，謝謝主席。"],["蕭院長宗煌：是。"],["主席：好，謝謝陳培瑜委員。","接下來我們有請林倩綺委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-11","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","葉元之","羅廷瑋","林宜瑾","吳春城","郭昱晴","張雅琳","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":131,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案；三、處理或審查 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