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00:02:25,116\n故宮的東西、國立故宮博物院的東西要去大陸的話基本上來講的話目前還是要有一個嚴謹的方式來處理好的,那這是這個區塊嘛但是就本席了解您在學術上然後有一些文創商品上也有一些想法所以本席最主要也是提醒那這個部分不要忘記這個故宮的一個歷史\n\n7\n00:02:26,237 --> 00:02:49,446\n我想今天有很多人也很關心故宮100的這個計畫那剛才本席也聽了一下目前的這個進度那我這邊也很關心因為民國14年10月10號的成立在我們的文化藝術上是非常的重要所以故宮在迎接這個未來2025年的故宮100我想很多人會很關心所以從剛才的這個紅委員提到\n\n8\n00:02:50,286 --> 00:03:12,404\n在故宮的整個對外的連接上跟相關部會是不是可以以故宮作為一個主體然後在2025年這樣一個主題上然後可以連結各部會讓大家了解有這樣一個可能性所以這樣竟然在文案還沒有出來我想這個部分可以提供文案上的一些參考那雖然您這邊也有人數的一個預估那250在本院那150在南院的話\n\n9\n00:03:17,828 --> 00:03:37,604\n如果能夠協同其他部會來把這樣一個主題連接起來我想量能上搞不好自然而然的就變得很高所以這是本席的一個提醒那至於這個論述權本席這邊也提醒那114年你們的願慶那你有很多一個很精彩的表演跟願慶的活動\n\n10\n00:03:38,965 --> 00:03:40,087\n主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n11\n00:04:20,998 --> 00:04:29,123\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博\n\n12\n00:05:09,233 --> 00:05:11,635\n不過這邊本席要提醒的就是這個100plus是很重要的一個時間節點可是如果能夠透過這個100plus故宮100年的這樣一個主題讓大家在所有的展示上你們的一些展演上能夠透過這個機會連結\n\n13\n00:05:25,223 --> 00:05:46,788\n讓大家知道他不僅有這樣一個歷史性而且他有一個時間的標記性這個是本席在這邊要特別提醒的那也呼應了剛才那個陳委員所講的你們的話語權跟這個主題大家如何對這個100產生意義這是本席這邊的提醒而且也會在你們的業務內容上未來持續的去追蹤\n\n14\n00:05:48,388 --> 00:06:09,654\n本席就先做這樣一個提醒我想很多委員都有這樣提醒那包括其實我不知道還有沒有時間講但是你們百萬學子的悠遊博物館的計畫也是有委員關心但是你也可以透過這個計畫來把故宮100做一個連結這是本席其實你們在許多計畫上可以朝這樣一個方向讓大家從100\n\n15\n00:06:11,034 --> 00:06:24,268\n這一年展開一個新的里程碑好最後本席先談一下你們許多筆預算這可能你們要跟本席要做一個報告新故宮計畫的這個解凍書面報告跟新故宮公共化帶動觀光產業發展的中程計畫\n\n16\n00:06:59,012 --> 00:07:14,498\n經貴編列有一點雷同所以這部分本席希望你能夠給本席一個很書面的報告然後告訴本席為什麼編在這樣一些項目下我感覺有一點重複編列博士長您這邊的看法\n\n17\n00:07:14,798 --> 00:07:17,081\n審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n18\n00:07:31,876 --> 00:08:00,100\n重複的部分我想這個我們會理清應該是沒有所謂的重複問題而是說去互補去補其所不足或是一個新興的計畫這個部分的話我們會用你們再檢視確認一下好不好那最後一個提醒當然跟故宮那個100有關但是也最重要就是這個百萬悠遊學子據我所知目前的數據就是你們接待偏鄉的學校目前41所我這邊有點焦急\n\n19\n00:08:26,539 --> 00:08:50,966\n有個概念然後再推進到未來的100年。謝謝委員的提醒百萬油脂由故宮的計畫不管南北院的我想我跟同仁這邊會研議我們完全開放就是說南部可以申請北部北部也可以申請南部完全沒有問題那因為經費的部分故宮的經費有限這個錢其實我們是從社會資源裡面找來的比如說那個什麼\n\n20\n00:08:52,426 --> 00:08:53,367\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n21\n00:09:13,946 --> 00:09:30,493\n您們還是可以繼續這樣推動,我覺得這個方向很好。但是本席還是提醒,剛才外委員這邊有提醒,相關的計畫可能及早出來,大家也可以在這個學期的時間內去做一些處理。所以這是本席的一個提醒。謝謝院長。好,謝謝委員提醒。好,謝謝林倩琦委員。接下來我們有請陳秀寶委員質詢。\n\n22\n00:09:46,136 --> 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--> 00:34.897\n好,謝謝主席,我們的院團人還有我們故宮的同仁,大家早安,大家好。那我們就請蕭院長。好,有請蕭院長。好,院長早。好,院長早。據本席的了解,您的立場一直認為兩岸文化的交流對於兩岸民眾的相互理解是相對正面的。所以故宮在推動兩岸交流上,是不是應該更積極一點?\n\n00:36.719 --> 00:50.260\n前年北京故宮王旭東院長提到梁漢故宮是親兄弟北京故宮跟故宮本院從來沒有任何障礙\n\n00:51.502 --> 01:08.202\n所以從他們的回應來講他們應該是相當有意願在文化交流上重啟一些可能性所以您本身應該對這個部分也是蠻正面的所以目前有沒有研議這個一個時程那最快有沒有再拿一些可能性呢?\n\n01:09.744 --> 01:29.336\n目前當然沒有一個既定的時程但是事實上透過民間的管道跟我接觸說希望跟故宮有一個合作關係的這個一直都沒有間斷那事實上我們在協助交流跟人員互訪上面的話我們是開放的\n\n01:30.925 --> 01:58.100\n好的,所以這個部分我相信您應該很正面只是本席這邊希望您再更積極一點那在話語權的部分也可以再更被了解基本上來講的話因為故宮文物出國的話有一個司法免扣押的一個無形的那個智庫在那邊所以要跟兩岸交流的話大陸過來的話基本上來講我們是沒有問題但是大陸\n\n01:59.381 --> 02:25.116\n故宮的東西、國立故宮博物院的東西要去大陸的話基本上來講的話目前還是要有一個嚴謹的方式來處理好的,那這是這個區塊嘛但是就本席了解您在學術上然後有一些文創商品上也有一些想法所以本席最主要也是提醒那這個部分不要忘記這個故宮的一個歷史\n\n02:26.237 --> 02:49.446\n我想今天有很多人也很關心故宮100的這個計畫那剛才本席也聽了一下目前的這個進度那我這邊也很關心因為民國14年10月10號的成立在我們的文化藝術上是非常的重要所以故宮在迎接這個未來2025年的故宮100我想很多人會很關心所以從剛才的這個紅委員提到\n\n02:50.286 --> 03:12.404\n在故宮的整個對外的連接上跟相關部會是不是可以以故宮作為一個主體然後在2025年這樣一個主題上然後可以連結各部會讓大家了解有這樣一個可能性所以這樣竟然在文案還沒有出來我想這個部分可以提供文案上的一些參考那雖然您這邊也有人數的一個預估那250在本院那150在南院的話\n\n03:17.828 --> 03:37.604\n如果能夠協同其他部會來把這樣一個主題連接起來我想量能上搞不好自然而然的就變得很高所以這是本席的一個提醒那至於這個論述權本席這邊也提醒那114年你們的願慶那你有很多一個很精彩的表演跟願慶的活動\n\n03:38.965 --> 03:40.087\n主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n04:20.998 --> 04:29.123\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算二、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博\n\n05:09.233 --> 05:11.635\n不過這邊本席要提醒的就是這個100plus是很重要的一個時間節點可是如果能夠透過這個100plus故宮100年的這樣一個主題讓大家在所有的展示上你們的一些展演上能夠透過這個機會連結\n\n05:25.223 --> 05:46.788\n讓大家知道他不僅有這樣一個歷史性而且他有一個時間的標記性這個是本席在這邊要特別提醒的那也呼應了剛才那個陳委員所講的你們的話語權跟這個主題大家如何對這個100產生意義這是本席這邊的提醒而且也會在你們的業務內容上未來持續的去追蹤\n\n05:48.388 --> 06:09.654\n本席就先做這樣一個提醒我想很多委員都有這樣提醒那包括其實我不知道還有沒有時間講但是你們百萬學子的悠遊博物館的計畫也是有委員關心但是你也可以透過這個計畫來把故宮100做一個連結這是本席其實你們在許多計畫上可以朝這樣一個方向讓大家從100\n\n06:11.034 --> 06:24.268\n這一年展開一個新的里程碑好最後本席先談一下你們許多筆預算這可能你們要跟本席要做一個報告新故宮計畫的這個解凍書面報告跟新故宮公共化帶動觀光產業發展的中程計畫\n\n06:59.012 --> 07:14.498\n經貴編列有一點雷同所以這部分本席希望你能夠給本席一個很書面的報告然後告訴本席為什麼編在這樣一些項目下我感覺有一點重複編列博士長您這邊的看法\n\n07:14.798 --> 07:17.081\n審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n07:31.876 --> 08:00.100\n重複的部分我想這個我們會理清應該是沒有所謂的重複問題而是說去互補去補其所不足或是一個新興的計畫這個部分的話我們會用你們再檢視確認一下好不好那最後一個提醒當然跟故宮那個100有關但是也最重要就是這個百萬悠遊學子據我所知目前的數據就是你們接待偏鄉的學校目前41所我這邊有點焦急\n\n08:26.539 --> 08:50.966\n有個概念然後再推進到未來的100年。謝謝委員的提醒百萬油脂由故宮的計畫不管南北院的我想我跟同仁這邊會研議我們完全開放就是說南部可以申請北部北部也可以申請南部完全沒有問題那因為經費的部分故宮的經費有限這個錢其實我們是從社會資源裡面找來的比如說那個什麼\n\n08:52.426 --> 08:53.367\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n09:13.946 --> 09:30.493\n您們還是可以繼續這樣推動,我覺得這個方向很好。但是本席還是提醒,剛才外委員這邊有提醒,相關的計畫可能及早出來,大家也可以在這個學期的時間內去做一些處理。所以這是本席的一個提醒。謝謝院長。好,謝謝委員提醒。好,謝謝林倩琦委員。接下來我們有請陳秀寶委員質詢。\n\n09:46.136 --> 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宮計畫的解凍書面報告，跟新故宮─故宮公共化帶動觀光產業發展中程計畫，大部分是做硬體，可是你們有一些東西編在這裡面，展覽創新、活動整合、交通串聯、行銷國際，這邊就有六千多萬的經費，跟硬體可能不是很直接的相關；子計畫在整合行銷跟媒宣的部分有一千七百多萬；國際焦點躍昇展也有一百多萬，將近200萬的預算編列，它其實跟你們新南向行銷及媒宣推廣的經費編列有一點雷同。所以這個部分希望你能夠給本席一個書面報告，告訴本席為什麼編在這樣的一些項目下，感覺有一點重複編列，不知道你這邊的看法？"],["蕭院長宗煌：好，新故宮計畫基本上來講是一個公共建設計畫，可是它的經資比是可以允許編列經常門的預算，當然這樣的經常門預算跟故宮的本預算有沒有什麼重複的部分，我想這個我們會釐清，應該是沒有所謂的重複問題，而是說去互補、去補其所不足或是一個新興的計畫，這個部分我們會用書面資料來回復。"],["林委員倩綺：對，你們再檢視、確認一下，好不好？","最後一個提醒，當然跟「故宮100+」有關，但是最重要就是百萬學子悠遊，就我所知目前的數據，你們接待偏鄉學校目前41所，我這邊有點焦急，其實光是嘉義地區就有78所偏鄉的學校，全臺更有1,138所，所以本席在這邊呼應剛才萬委員其實也很關心你們對於全國學校的推廣，所以還是一句話，「故宮100+」是一個很重要的主題、話語權，然後藉這個機會的推動，讓大家對故宮從100有個概念，然後再推進到未來的100年。"],["蕭院長宗煌：謝謝委員的提醒，百萬學子遊故宮的計畫，不管南北院，我想我跟同仁會研議，我們完全開放，就是說南部可以申請北部、北部也可以申請南部，完全沒有問題。因為經費的部分，故宮的經費有限，這個錢其實我們是從社會資源裡面找來的，譬如說萬華的龍山寺、中壢的仁海宮，我們是去募錢，然後來辦這個活動，因為我們當然希望說有更大的規模，可是用故宮的預算來講的話，基本上我們就沒有辦法完全支撐那麼多的量。"],["林委員倩綺：好，這個方向我覺得挺好的，你們有這樣一個啟動，還是可以繼續這樣推動，我覺得這個方向很好，但是本席還是提醒，剛才萬委員也有提醒，相關的計畫可能及早出來，大家也可以在這個學期的時間內去做一些處理，這是本席的一個提醒，謝謝院長。"],["蕭院長宗煌：好，謝謝委員提醒。"],["主席：謝謝林倩綺委員。接下來我們有請陳秀寳委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-11","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","葉元之","羅廷瑋","林宜瑾","吳春城","郭昱晴","張雅琳","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":131,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案；三、處理或審查 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