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00:01:26,735\n這個學生的發言是不是馬英九基金會安排的?主委是根本原報告就我們初步了解他每天都會安排兩位學生對外這個安排那個媒體的聯訪所以基金會有安排每天兩位發言他沒有安排馬龍來講這句話他反而安排了一個比較不重要的人來講這句話但是\n\n5\n00:01:27,475 --> 00:01:39,384\n台灣的學生很快就清醒了馬上醒原來這一團是來做什麼的原來這一團是來統戰的原來這一團最主要的目的就是要講出中國臺北這四個字對不對那\n\n6\n00:01:43,795 --> 00:02:01,493\n除了我們官方單位除了確認一下這個馬英九基金會他有做這個安排之外之外呢其實我們的學生非常自主的大家也覺醒所以這個交流團馬上被識破其實他就是糖衣毒藥\n\n7\n00:02:02,634 --> 00:02:05,356\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n8\n00:02:22,327 --> 00:02:47,958\n那我們在這個事情發生的時候我們也有多次跟馬英九基金會要求他們必須按照書面聲明的切結來遵守同時也要遵守我們相關的法令包括大陸來台許可辦法相關的規定這個已經違反對等尊嚴的不但言行我想我們在事後相關主管機關都會收集相關的事證\n\n9\n00:02:49,238 --> 00:02:52,621\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n10\n00:03:15,498 --> 00:03:38,084\n一到十月中國大陸來台應該大概在三十二萬是他們不願意來還是被限制我認為問題的本質在他們還沒有開放入客來台中國還沒有開放入客來台嗎那現在已經開放的部分是金門只有在金門而已金門馬祖那主委你有什麼話要對金門的觀光業講\n\n11\n00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:52,694\n我想我們經常跟金門的觀光業者都有互動那我們上個月也在到金門那我們是希望這樣金門大概經過五年的疫情他們因為他們的\n\n12\n00:03:54,956 --> 00:03:57,980\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n13\n00:04:10,976 --> 00:04:37,277\n突然一個宣布又沒了對不對對因為中國大陸觀光會基本上是這個政策驅動的你就要配合政策來滿足它政策它不是一般市場驅動的觀光客我所謂市場驅動就是說跟你業者的努力跟消費者的選擇有關但是這個政策驅動完全是你要配合中共的政策所以它有風險我要舉一個活生生的例子\n\n14\n00:04:37,817 --> 00:05:04,485\n但是他已經很久已經快被淡忘了就在2009年的時候羅文嘉秘書長講過一句話看電影是我們自己的事當時高雄市政府新聞處主辦了一個電影節主辦單位有一個單位他放了一部電影居然踩中了中國的紅線但是我們放電影是我們自己事看電影也是我們自己的事當年高雄市發生什麼事情\n\n15\n00:05:05,526 --> 00:05:27,811\n高雄市主辦新聞處的處長被國民黨的議長要求下台。第二個,中國發出什麼事情?中國發出所有中國來台灣的旅行團禁止住在高雄的旅館。這個也是另外一個糖衣毒藥。來,秘書長你記得這件事情嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:28,762 --> 00:05:54,276\n謝謝委員提起,我想起來確實有這件事情。當時應該是納比亞的電影。對於中國共產黨來講,這部電影是他不能接受的。所以他要求即使在管轄之外,在中華民國國土領土範圍內,在高雄市,他也想要干預。那當然我們不會被接受,我們不會接受。那不會接受的最後結果就是他停止了所有的該次的活動。\n\n17\n00:05:55,100 --> 00:06:19,777\n而且他禁止那段時間禁止所有的陸客團住宿高雄所以整個高雄的旅宿業當時已經習慣了這些陸客的住宿嘛那就覺得說開始在覺得說那你市政府為什麼要辦這個活動影響我們的生意但是你過了這麼久你再回頭想想看電影是我們自己的事啊為什麼他要管我們看電影\n\n18\n00:06:20,297 --> 00:06:22,338\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n19\n00:06:41,489 --> 00:07:01,638\n我曾經在內政部來這邊備詢的時候我也提出來包含剛剛其他委員也有講的國籍法的問題那我想請主委我只講一個陸配來台取得身份證放棄戶籍就可以了但是陸配要放棄國籍是有困難的對不對\n\n20\n00:07:03,695 --> 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因為中國大陸觀光會基本上是這個政策驅動的你就要配合政策來滿足它政策它不是一般市場驅動的觀光客我所謂市場驅動就是說跟你業者的努力跟消費者的選擇有關但是這個政策驅動完全是你要配合中共的政策所以它有風險我要舉一個活生生的例子\n277817\t304485\t但是他已經很久已經快被淡忘了就在2009年的時候羅文嘉秘書長講過一句話看電影是我們自己的事當時高雄市政府新聞處主辦了一個電影節主辦單位有一個單位他放了一部電影居然踩中了中國的紅線但是我們放電影是我們自己事看電影也是我們自己的事當年高雄市發生什麼事情\n305526\t327811\t高雄市主辦新聞處的處長被國民黨的議長要求下台。第二個,中國發出什麼事情?中國發出所有中國來台灣的旅行團禁止住在高雄的旅館。這個也是另外一個糖衣毒藥。來,秘書長你記得這件事情嗎?\n328762\t354276\t謝謝委員提起,我想起來確實有這件事情。當時應該是納比亞的電影。對於中國共產黨來講,這部電影是他不能接受的。所以他要求即使在管轄之外,在中華民國國土領土範圍內,在高雄市,他也想要干預。那當然我們不會被接受,我們不會接受。那不會接受的最後結果就是他停止了所有的該次的活動。\n355100\t379777\t而且他禁止那段時間禁止所有的陸客團住宿高雄所以整個高雄的旅宿業當時已經習慣了這些陸客的住宿嘛那就覺得說開始在覺得說那你市政府為什麼要辦這個活動影響我們的生意但是你過了這麼久你再回頭想想看電影是我們自己的事啊為什麼他要管我們看電影\n380297\t382338\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n401489\t421638\t我曾經在內政部來這邊備詢的時候我也提出來包含剛剛其他委員也有講的國籍法的問題那我想請主委我只講一個陸配來台取得身份證放棄戶籍就可以了但是陸配要放棄國籍是有困難的對不對\n423695\t451801\t我覺得他要努力放棄看看因為中共的國籍法第4條也有一些放棄的事由要去努力放棄要去努力放棄要去努力放棄看看但是沈和全還是在中國有一天如果你中華民國的立法委員聲稱你已經放棄中國國籍但是中國隔天可以宣布你還是中國公民可不可以這樣\n452898\t457760\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n","txt":"馬英九基金會在做什麼?我來解讀一下蔡英文總統出訪的時候馬英九基金會在安排馬英九前總統去中國參訪做國際媒體的對中國來講做國際媒體的平衡報導\n現任總統去美國但是我們有卸任總統來中國參訪製造國際的錯覺馬英九基金會這一次在做什麼馬英九基金會這一次安排了這個交流團他要做什麼原來其實馬龍的球迷很多\n大家也想要看馬龍但是全部的焦點就在馬英九基金會安排我確認一下這是不是安排的齁\n這個學生的發言是不是馬英九基金會安排的?主委是根本原報告就我們初步了解他每天都會安排兩位學生對外這個安排那個媒體的聯訪所以基金會有安排每天兩位發言他沒有安排馬龍來講這句話他反而安排了一個比較不重要的人來講這句話但是\n台灣的學生很快就清醒了馬上醒原來這一團是來做什麼的原來這一團是來統戰的原來這一團最主要的目的就是要講出中國臺北這四個字對不對那\n除了我們官方單位除了確認一下這個馬英九基金會他有做這個安排之外之外呢其實我們的學生非常自主的大家也覺醒所以這個交流團馬上被識破其實他就是糖衣毒藥\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n那我們在這個事情發生的時候我們也有多次跟馬英九基金會要求他們必須按照書面聲明的切結來遵守同時也要遵守我們相關的法令包括大陸來台許可辦法相關的規定這個已經違反對等尊嚴的不但言行我想我們在事後相關主管機關都會收集相關的事證\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n一到十月中國大陸來台應該大概在三十二萬是他們不願意來還是被限制我認為問題的本質在他們還沒有開放入客來台中國還沒有開放入客來台嗎那現在已經開放的部分是金門只有在金門而已金門馬祖那主委你有什麼話要對金門的觀光業講\n我想我們經常跟金門的觀光業者都有互動那我們上個月也在到金門那我們是希望這樣金門大概經過五年的疫情他們因為他們的\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n突然一個宣布又沒了對不對對 因為中國大陸觀光會基本上是這個政策驅動的你就要配合政策來滿足它政策它不是一般市場驅動的觀光客我所謂市場驅動就是說跟你業者的努力跟消費者的選擇有關但是這個政策驅動完全是你要配合中共的政策所以它有風險我要舉一個活生生的例子\n但是他已經很久已經快被淡忘了就在2009年的時候羅文嘉秘書長講過一句話看電影是我們自己的事當時高雄市政府新聞處主辦了一個電影節主辦單位有一個單位他放了一部電影居然踩中了中國的紅線但是我們放電影是我們自己事看電影也是我們自己的事當年高雄市發生什麼事情\n高雄市主辦新聞處的處長被國民黨的議長要求下台。第二個,中國發出什麼事情?中國發出所有中國來台灣的旅行團禁止住在高雄的旅館。這個也是另外一個糖衣毒藥。來,秘書長你記得這件事情嗎?\n謝謝委員提起,我想起來確實有這件事情。當時應該是納比亞的電影。對於中國共產黨來講,這部電影是他不能接受的。所以他要求即使在管轄之外,在中華民國國土領土範圍內,在高雄市,他也想要干預。那當然我們不會被接受,我們不會接受。那不會接受的最後結果就是他停止了所有的該次的活動。\n而且他禁止那段時間禁止所有的陸客團住宿高雄所以整個高雄的旅宿業當時已經習慣了這些陸客的住宿嘛那就覺得說開始在覺得說那你市政府為什麼要辦這個活動影響我們的生意但是你過了這麼久你再回頭想想看電影是我們自己的事啊為什麼他要管我們看電影\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n我曾經在內政部來這邊備詢的時候我也提出來包含剛剛其他委員也有講的國籍法的問題那我想請主委我只講一個陸配來台取得身份證放棄戶籍就可以了但是陸配要放棄國籍是有困難的對不對\n我覺得他要努力放棄看看因為中共的國籍法第4條也有一些放棄的事由要去努力放棄要去努力放棄要去努力放棄看看但是沈和全還是在中國有一天如果你中華民國的立法委員聲稱你已經放棄中國國籍但是中國隔天可以宣布你還是中國公民可不可以這樣\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:10.794\n馬英九基金會在做什麼?我來解讀一下蔡英文總統出訪的時候馬英九基金會在安排馬英九前總統去中國參訪做國際媒體的對中國來講做國際媒體的平衡報導\n\n00:28.309 --> 00:47.649\n現任總統去美國但是我們有卸任總統來中國參訪製造國際的錯覺馬英九基金會這一次在做什麼馬英九基金會這一次安排了這個交流團他要做什麼原來其實馬龍的球迷很多\n\n00:49.554 --> 00:58.820\n大家也想要看馬龍但是全部的焦點就在馬英九基金會安排我確認一下這是不是安排的齁\n\n01:00.423 --> 01:26.735\n這個學生的發言是不是馬英九基金會安排的?主委是根本原報告就我們初步了解他每天都會安排兩位學生對外這個安排那個媒體的聯訪所以基金會有安排每天兩位發言他沒有安排馬龍來講這句話他反而安排了一個比較不重要的人來講這句話但是\n\n01:27.475 --> 01:39.384\n台灣的學生很快就清醒了馬上醒原來這一團是來做什麼的原來這一團是來統戰的原來這一團最主要的目的就是要講出中國臺北這四個字對不對那\n\n01:43.795 --> 02:01.493\n除了我們官方單位除了確認一下這個馬英九基金會他有做這個安排之外之外呢其實我們的學生非常自主的大家也覺醒所以這個交流團馬上被識破其實他就是糖衣毒藥\n\n02:02.634 --> 02:05.356\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n02:22.327 --> 02:47.958\n那我們在這個事情發生的時候我們也有多次跟馬英九基金會要求他們必須按照書面聲明的切結來遵守同時也要遵守我們相關的法令包括大陸來台許可辦法相關的規定這個已經違反對等尊嚴的不但言行我想我們在事後相關主管機關都會收集相關的事證\n\n02:49.238 --> 02:52.621\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n03:15.498 --> 03:38.084\n一到十月中國大陸來台應該大概在三十二萬是他們不願意來還是被限制我認為問題的本質在他們還沒有開放入客來台中國還沒有開放入客來台嗎那現在已經開放的部分是金門只有在金門而已金門馬祖那主委你有什麼話要對金門的觀光業講\n\n03:39.520 --> 03:52.694\n我想我們經常跟金門的觀光業者都有互動那我們上個月也在到金門那我們是希望這樣金門大概經過五年的疫情他們因為他們的\n\n03:54.956 --> 03:57.980\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n04:10.976 --> 04:37.277\n突然一個宣布又沒了對不對對因為中國大陸觀光會基本上是這個政策驅動的你就要配合政策來滿足它政策它不是一般市場驅動的觀光客我所謂市場驅動就是說跟你業者的努力跟消費者的選擇有關但是這個政策驅動完全是你要配合中共的政策所以它有風險我要舉一個活生生的例子\n\n04:37.817 --> 05:04.485\n但是他已經很久已經快被淡忘了就在2009年的時候羅文嘉秘書長講過一句話看電影是我們自己的事當時高雄市政府新聞處主辦了一個電影節主辦單位有一個單位他放了一部電影居然踩中了中國的紅線但是我們放電影是我們自己事看電影也是我們自己的事當年高雄市發生什麼事情\n\n05:05.526 --> 05:27.811\n高雄市主辦新聞處的處長被國民黨的議長要求下台。第二個,中國發出什麼事情?中國發出所有中國來台灣的旅行團禁止住在高雄的旅館。這個也是另外一個糖衣毒藥。來,秘書長你記得這件事情嗎?\n\n05:28.762 --> 05:54.276\n謝謝委員提起,我想起來確實有這件事情。當時應該是納比亞的電影。對於中國共產黨來講,這部電影是他不能接受的。所以他要求即使在管轄之外,在中華民國國土領土範圍內,在高雄市,他也想要干預。那當然我們不會被接受,我們不會接受。那不會接受的最後結果就是他停止了所有的該次的活動。\n\n05:55.100 --> 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