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00:00:38,480\n張委員你好好謝謝邱主委今天是這個陸委會的有關於114年度預算的這個質詢跟今天可能質詢的問題那本席想要先請教我們邱主委於今年陸委會於今年的6月1號發布了這個我們臺灣的旅客到大陸的進團令以及6月27號發布大陸的這個大陸的民眾到\n\n3\n00:00:39,941 --> 00:00:53,636\n大陸旅遊的這個陳設警戒那現在我覺得人民現在我要幫所有的這個全台觀光業、旅遊業來請命了這個禁團令到底什麼時候會取消它的要件為何\n\n4\n00:00:54,980 --> 00:01:01,325\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n5\n00:01:19,337 --> 00:01:32,464\n還沒有真正的對台灣開放團客那他其中一個藉口說我們團客去中國大陸還有限制就是你所謂的禁團令但是我要跟委員報告我們在\n\n6\n00:01:35,595 --> 00:01:37,056\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n7\n00:01:58,476 --> 00:02:01,578\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n8\n00:02:25,211 --> 00:02:39,103\n到大陸的一些到大陸的一些限制。審讀22條。審讀22條。這樣的兩個東西都開放以後才會來正式解除禁團令嗎?喔!不是這個。喔!不是這個。對!所以本席要問你的意見是什麼時候才能解除禁團令的要件為何?我們\n\n9\n00:02:40,724 --> 00:02:59,371\n剛剛除了我們追求健康有序的兩岸交流兩岸觀光旅遊交流之後我們還有一個我們對於國人賦入的安全我們最關心的是國人的安全所以安全就是因為懲毒22條所以大陸要放棄懲毒22條才會開放禁團令嗎?台灣的禁團令嗎?我們在確定它對國人賦入安全有沒有影響特別是懲毒22條我跟委員報告\n\n10\n00:03:10,075 --> 00:03:12,137\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n11\n00:03:38,877 --> 00:03:41,038\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n12\n00:03:58,270 --> 00:03:59,511\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n13\n00:04:16,656 --> 00:04:33,385\n如果加上11月份的話我相信已經20萬團客到大陸去了所以主委的意思是說現在還有在這個當時6月1號進團令之後的旅遊團因為還沒有出團的目前還有在出團的情況對現在還在繼續出團那大概他們會出團到什麼時候\n\n14\n00:04:34,125 --> 00:04:38,188\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n15\n00:04:52,571 --> 00:04:57,932\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n16\n00:05:22,617 --> 00:05:48,298\n跟委員報告我們一直呼籲中國大陸2020年4月份他們就不讓學位生來那現在來台灣的這個入生的結構學位生現有學位生越來越少剩下1000多人那麼如果說現在比較多的是研修生大概今年1到10月還有2108位那這個當然入生的這個在校園是越來越少\n\n17\n00:05:48,899 --> 00:05:51,522\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n18\n00:06:06,056 --> 00:06:32,745\n中國大陸學生來臺灣留學而且我們也接到許多中國大陸的家長他們希望到臺灣留學但是中國大陸他對於他的國人境外就是嚴格管控所以他們還不能來我們也呼籲他應該讓兩岸的年輕人像我們剛剛今天早上討論到兩岸青年交流很重要最主要是學生交流學生交流應該讓他自由自在自主自然的交流其實入生來臺\n\n19\n00:06:35,666 --> 00:06:36,908\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n20\n00:06:53,889 --> 00:06:56,350\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n21\n00:07:16,054 --> 00:07:34,587\n想要請這個主委來解釋是他的這個登錄的重點是有利於這個國人在遇到緊急事情的時候政府能夠及時聯絡這個緊急聯絡人而提供必要協助是嗎?是,跟委員報告我們這個對國人賦入感目前還有風險的情況下那國人透過這個登錄系統\n\n22\n00:07:35,868 --> 00:07:37,249\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n23\n00:08:02,378 --> 00:08:04,799\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n24\n00:08:31,368 --> 00:08:53,227\n好那接下來我要請教主委的齁剛剛有提到齁台灣呃台灣國人齁現在去大陸旅遊大概到目前今年為止大概230多萬人有去大陸嘛一到十月一到十月嘛那我想要請教現在登錄系統齁我們可以看到登錄系統這樣的資料齁我們登錄的資料113年目前登錄的資料只有幾萬人欸\n\n25\n00:08:54,668 --> 00:09:17,380\n那是不是這個登錄系統完全沒有發揮它的作用只有幾萬人登錄兩百多萬人去大陸旅遊可是只有不到兩萬人登錄這樣的系統然後要花人民納稅錢這個六七百萬來建設這樣的系統會不會認為有浪費國家預算的問題那我再請教另外一個問題第一個登錄人數比較少那我想要請教就是說\n\n26\n00:09:18,180 --> 00:09:43,385\n因為花了人民納稅錢大概六、七百萬,因為登錄這個系統而實際緊急處理的人數為何?大概多少人?這個我先跟委員回答,就是說我們以今年跟去年的話,我們今年登錄的人數已經是去年的14倍,我們港澳的部分有6倍,是增加很多,但是我們國人在評估它的風險,\n\n27\n00:09:44,685 --> 00:09:46,827\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n28\n00:10:05,794 --> 00:10:28,040\n跟委員報告事實上陸委會提供這樣的緊急服務我請問請問人數你清楚人數嗎?我們的人數基本上是包含海基會的緊急服務專線我請教的不是海基會的緊急服務我請教的是陸委會建設這樣的系統這個港澳台富登陸系統以後服務了多少人我直接跟主委報告服務是0人吶\n\n29\n00:10:29,540 --> 00:10:31,661\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n30\n00:10:50,912 --> 00:11:05,890\n請教你現在花人民納稅前700萬進入的這個登錄系統有沒有服務到任何我們的國人?我們到港澳的時候會收到了簡訊,大陸也一樣,貴友基安就只有簡訊,簡訊以外上面是我們駐館的電話\n\n31\n00:11:08,152 --> 00:11:08,593\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n32\n00:11:25,951 --> 00:11:28,833\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n33\n00:11:51,929 --> 00:11:54,591\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n34\n00:12:17,055 --> 00:12:43,215\n那請你提供你的電子郵件信箱,只是我沒有填寫啦我沒有填寫我的電子郵件信箱啦所以他這樣的系統也是可以過關的所以我要請教的就是我們立委會這樣子沒有房貸的一個系統要花人民納稅前七、八百萬是合理的嗎?你們有沒有在做這樣的資料的檢核?這個系統已經推了兩年了欸報告委員針對這部分我們事實上有發現我們已經請廠商進行後續的修正\n\n35\n00:12:44,904 --> 00:13:12,177\n針對負照號碼我全部都填了而且這個系統連提供到我們國人要到哪裡附入哪裡的地址也不是必要填寫資訊那這個資訊你要如何去救助需要救助的國人?因為國人不見得希望提供這麼詳細資料但他只要提現在是線上系統他告訴我們是要緊急聯絡人而不是說一定要到大陸的哪一個城市住在哪一個地方\n\n36\n00:13:12,597 --> 00:13:37,422\n好所以本席是拜託這個主委主委非常辛苦在你們在做事情的時候要讓用人民大稅錢的時候已經兩年的系統了是結果救助的人是零而且沒有這個資訊沒有房貸的謝謝委員執政我們會不斷的把它優化那到底裡面有多少的錯誤的資訊所以我跟你講這個答案是零也不意外因為根本就沒有這個系統的功能基本上就是零\n\n37\n00:13:37,922 --> 00:13:38,462\n張志倫委員休息5分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n270\t5064\t謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱主委好請邱主委\n10817\t38480\t張委員你好好 謝謝邱主委今天是這個陸委會的有關於114年度預算的這個質詢跟今天可能質詢的問題那本席想要先請教我們邱主委於今年陸委會於今年的6月1號發布了這個我們臺灣的旅客到大陸的進團令以及6月27號發布大陸的這個大陸的民眾到\n39941\t53636\t大陸旅遊的這個陳設警戒那現在我覺得人民現在我要幫所有的這個全台觀光業、旅遊業來請命了這個禁團令到底什麼時候會取消它的要件為何\n54980\t61325\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n79337\t92464\t還沒有真正的對台灣開放團客那他其中一個藉口說我們團客去中國大陸還有限制就是你所謂的禁團令但是我要跟委員報告我們在\n95595\t97056\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n118476\t121578\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n145211\t159103\t到大陸的一些到大陸的一些限制。審讀22條。審讀22條。這樣的兩個東西都開放以後才會來正式解除禁團令嗎?喔!不是這個。喔!不是這個。對!所以本席要問你的意見是什麼時候才能解除禁團令的要件為何?我們\n160724\t179371\t剛剛除了我們追求健康有序的兩岸交流兩岸觀光旅遊交流之後我們還有一個我們對於國人賦入的安全我們最關心的是國人的安全所以安全就是因為懲毒22條所以大陸要放棄懲毒22條才會開放禁團令嗎?台灣的禁團令嗎?我們在確定它對國人賦入安全有沒有影響特別是懲毒22條我跟委員報告\n190075\t192137\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n218877\t221038\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n238270\t239511\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n256656\t273385\t如果加上11月份的話我相信已經20萬團客到大陸去了所以主委的意思是說現在還有在這個當時6月1號進團令之後的旅遊團因為還沒有出團的目前還有在出團的情況對現在還在繼續出團那大概他們會出團到什麼時候\n274125\t278188\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n292571\t297932\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n322617\t348298\t跟委員報告我們一直呼籲中國大陸2020年4月份他們就不讓學位生來那現在來台灣的這個入生的結構學位生現有學位生越來越少剩下1000多人那麼如果說現在比較多的是研修生大概今年1到10月還有2108位那這個當然入生的這個在校園是越來越少\n348899\t351522\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n366056\t392745\t中國大陸學生來臺灣留學而且我們也接到許多中國大陸的家長他們希望到臺灣留學但是中國大陸他對於他的國人境外就是嚴格管控所以他們還不能來我們也呼籲他應該讓兩岸的年輕人像我們剛剛今天早上討論到兩岸青年交流很重要最主要是學生交流學生交流應該讓他自由自在自主自然的交流其實入生來臺\n395666\t396908\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n413889\t416350\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n436054\t454587\t想要請這個主委來解釋是他的這個登錄的重點是有利於這個國人在遇到緊急事情的時候政府能夠及時聯絡這個緊急聯絡人而提供必要協助是嗎?是,跟委員報告我們這個對國人賦入感目前還有風險的情況下那國人透過這個登錄系統\n455868\t457249\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n482378\t484799\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n511368\t533227\t好那接下來我要請教主委的齁剛剛有提到齁台灣呃台灣國人齁現在去大陸旅遊大概到目前今年為止大概230多萬人有去大陸嘛一到十月一到十月嘛那我想要請教現在登錄系統齁我們可以看到登錄系統這樣的資料齁我們登錄的資料113年目前登錄的資料只有幾萬人欸\n534668\t557380\t那是不是這個登錄系統完全沒有發揮它的作用只有幾萬人登錄兩百多萬人去大陸旅遊可是只有不到兩萬人登錄這樣的系統然後要花人民納稅錢這個六七百萬來建設這樣的系統會不會認為有浪費國家預算的問題那我再請教另外一個問題第一個登錄人數比較少那我想要請教就是說\n558180\t583385\t因為花了人民納稅錢大概六、七百萬,因為登錄這個系統而實際緊急處理的人數為何?大概多少人?這個我先跟委員回答,就是說我們以今年跟去年的話,我們今年登錄的人數已經是去年的14倍,我們港澳的部分有6倍,是增加很多,但是我們國人在評估它的風險,\n584685\t586827\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n605794\t628040\t跟委員報告事實上陸委會提供這樣的緊急服務我請問請問人數你清楚人數嗎?我們的人數基本上是包含海基會的緊急服務專線我請教的不是海基會的緊急服務我請教的是陸委會建設這樣的系統這個港澳台富登陸系統以後服務了多少人我直接跟主委報告服務是0人吶\n629540\t631661\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n650912\t665890\t請教你現在花人民納稅前700萬進入的這個登錄系統有沒有服務到任何我們的國人?我們到港澳的時候會收到了簡訊,大陸也一樣,貴友基安就只有簡訊,簡訊以外上面是我們駐館的電話\n668152\t668593\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n685951\t688833\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n711929\t714591\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n737055\t763215\t那請你提供你的電子郵件信箱,只是我沒有填寫啦我沒有填寫我的電子郵件信箱啦所以他這樣的系統也是可以過關的所以我要請教的就是我們立委會這樣子沒有房貸的一個系統要花人民納稅前七、八百萬是合理的嗎?你們有沒有在做這樣的資料的檢核?這個系統已經推了兩年了欸報告委員針對這部分我們事實上有發現我們已經請廠商進行後續的修正\n764904\t792177\t針對負照號碼我全部都填了而且這個系統連提供到我們國人要到哪裡附入哪裡的地址也不是必要填寫資訊那這個資訊你要如何去救助需要救助的國人?因為國人不見得希望提供這麼詳細資料但他只要提現在是線上系統他告訴我們是要緊急聯絡人而不是說一定要到大陸的哪一個城市住在哪一個地方\n792597\t817422\t好所以本席是拜託這個主委主委非常辛苦在你們在做事情的時候要讓用人民大稅錢的時候已經兩年的系統了是結果救助的人是零而且沒有這個資訊沒有房貸的謝謝委員執政我們會不斷的把它優化那到底裡面有多少的錯誤的資訊所以我跟你講這個答案是零也不意外因為根本就沒有這個系統的功能基本上就是零\n817922\t818462\t張志倫委員休息5分鐘\n","txt":"謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱主委好請邱主委\n張委員你好好 謝謝邱主委今天是這個陸委會的有關於114年度預算的這個質詢跟今天可能質詢的問題那本席想要先請教我們邱主委於今年陸委會於今年的6月1號發布了這個我們臺灣的旅客到大陸的進團令以及6月27號發布大陸的這個大陸的民眾到\n大陸旅遊的這個陳設警戒那現在我覺得人民現在我要幫所有的這個全台觀光業、旅遊業來請命了這個禁團令到底什麼時候會取消它的要件為何\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n還沒有真正的對台灣開放團客那他其中一個藉口說我們團客去中國大陸還有限制就是你所謂的禁團令但是我要跟委員報告我們在\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n到大陸的一些到大陸的一些限制。審讀22條。審讀22條。這樣的兩個東西都開放以後才會來正式解除禁團令嗎?喔!不是這個。喔!不是這個。對!所以本席要問你的意見是什麼時候才能解除禁團令的要件為何?我們\n剛剛除了我們追求健康有序的兩岸交流兩岸觀光旅遊交流之後我們還有一個我們對於國人賦入的安全我們最關心的是國人的安全所以安全就是因為懲毒22條所以大陸要放棄懲毒22條才會開放禁團令嗎?台灣的禁團令嗎?我們在確定它對國人賦入安全有沒有影響特別是懲毒22條我跟委員報告\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n如果加上11月份的話我相信已經20萬團客到大陸去了所以主委的意思是說現在還有在這個當時6月1號進團令之後的旅遊團因為還沒有出團的目前還有在出團的情況對現在還在繼續出團那大概他們會出團到什麼時候\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n跟委員報告我們一直呼籲中國大陸2020年4月份他們就不讓學位生來那現在來台灣的這個入生的結構學位生現有學位生越來越少剩下1000多人那麼如果說現在比較多的是研修生大概今年1到10月還有2108位那這個當然入生的這個在校園是越來越少\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n中國大陸學生來臺灣留學而且我們也接到許多中國大陸的家長他們希望到臺灣留學但是中國大陸他對於他的國人境外就是嚴格管控所以他們還不能來我們也呼籲他應該讓兩岸的年輕人像我們剛剛今天早上討論到兩岸青年交流很重要最主要是學生交流學生交流應該讓他自由自在自主自然的交流其實入生來臺\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n想要請這個主委來解釋是他的這個登錄的重點是有利於這個國人在遇到緊急事情的時候政府能夠及時聯絡這個緊急聯絡人而提供必要協助是嗎?是,跟委員報告我們這個對國人賦入感目前還有風險的情況下那國人透過這個登錄系統\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n好那接下來我要請教主委的齁剛剛有提到齁台灣呃台灣國人齁現在去大陸旅遊大概到目前今年為止大概230多萬人有去大陸嘛一到十月一到十月嘛那我想要請教現在登錄系統齁我們可以看到登錄系統這樣的資料齁我們登錄的資料113年目前登錄的資料只有幾萬人欸\n那是不是這個登錄系統完全沒有發揮它的作用只有幾萬人登錄兩百多萬人去大陸旅遊可是只有不到兩萬人登錄這樣的系統然後要花人民納稅錢這個六七百萬來建設這樣的系統會不會認為有浪費國家預算的問題那我再請教另外一個問題第一個登錄人數比較少那我想要請教就是說\n因為花了人民納稅錢大概六、七百萬,因為登錄這個系統而實際緊急處理的人數為何?大概多少人?這個我先跟委員回答,就是說我們以今年跟去年的話,我們今年登錄的人數已經是去年的14倍,我們港澳的部分有6倍,是增加很多,但是我們國人在評估它的風險,\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n跟委員報告事實上陸委會提供這樣的緊急服務我請問請問人數你清楚人數嗎?我們的人數基本上是包含海基會的緊急服務專線我請教的不是海基會的緊急服務我請教的是陸委會建設這樣的系統這個港澳台富登陸系統以後服務了多少人我直接跟主委報告服務是0人吶\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n請教你現在花人民納稅前700萬進入的這個登錄系統有沒有服務到任何我們的國人?我們到港澳的時候會收到了簡訊,大陸也一樣,貴友基安就只有簡訊,簡訊以外上面是我們駐館的電話\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n那請你提供你的電子郵件信箱,只是我沒有填寫啦我沒有填寫我的電子郵件信箱啦所以他這樣的系統也是可以過關的所以我要請教的就是我們立委會這樣子沒有房貸的一個系統要花人民納稅前七、八百萬是合理的嗎?你們有沒有在做這樣的資料的檢核?這個系統已經推了兩年了欸報告委員針對這部分我們事實上有發現我們已經請廠商進行後續的修正\n針對負照號碼我全部都填了而且這個系統連提供到我們國人要到哪裡附入哪裡的地址也不是必要填寫資訊那這個資訊你要如何去救助需要救助的國人?因為國人不見得希望提供這麼詳細資料但他只要提現在是線上系統他告訴我們是要緊急聯絡人而不是說一定要到大陸的哪一個城市住在哪一個地方\n好所以本席是拜託這個主委主委非常辛苦在你們在做事情的時候要讓用人民大稅錢的時候已經兩年的系統了是結果救助的人是零而且沒有這個資訊沒有房貸的謝謝委員執政我們會不斷的把它優化那到底裡面有多少的錯誤的資訊所以我跟你講這個答案是零也不意外因為根本就沒有這個系統的功能基本上就是零\n張志倫委員休息5分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.270 --> 00:05.064\n謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請邱主委好請邱主委\n\n00:10.817 --> 00:38.480\n張委員你好好謝謝邱主委今天是這個陸委會的有關於114年度預算的這個質詢跟今天可能質詢的問題那本席想要先請教我們邱主委於今年陸委會於今年的6月1號發布了這個我們臺灣的旅客到大陸的進團令以及6月27號發布大陸的這個大陸的民眾到\n\n00:39.941 --> 00:53.636\n大陸旅遊的這個陳設警戒那現在我覺得人民現在我要幫所有的這個全台觀光業、旅遊業來請命了這個禁團令到底什麼時候會取消它的要件為何\n\n00:54.980 --> 01:01.325\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n01:19.337 --> 01:32.464\n還沒有真正的對台灣開放團客那他其中一個藉口說我們團客去中國大陸還有限制就是你所謂的禁團令但是我要跟委員報告我們在\n\n01:35.595 --> 01:37.056\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n01:58.476 --> 02:01.578\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n02:25.211 --> 02:39.103\n到大陸的一些到大陸的一些限制。審讀22條。審讀22條。這樣的兩個東西都開放以後才會來正式解除禁團令嗎?喔!不是這個。喔!不是這個。對!所以本席要問你的意見是什麼時候才能解除禁團令的要件為何?我們\n\n02:40.724 --> 02:59.371\n剛剛除了我們追求健康有序的兩岸交流兩岸觀光旅遊交流之後我們還有一個我們對於國人賦入的安全我們最關心的是國人的安全所以安全就是因為懲毒22條所以大陸要放棄懲毒22條才會開放禁團令嗎?台灣的禁團令嗎?我們在確定它對國人賦入安全有沒有影響特別是懲毒22條我跟委員報告\n\n03:10.075 --> 03:12.137\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n03:38.877 --> 03:41.038\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n03:58.270 --> 03:59.511\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n04:16.656 --> 04:33.385\n如果加上11月份的話我相信已經20萬團客到大陸去了所以主委的意思是說現在還有在這個當時6月1號進團令之後的旅遊團因為還沒有出團的目前還有在出團的情況對現在還在繼續出團那大概他們會出團到什麼時候\n\n04:34.125 --> 04:38.188\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n04:52.571 --> 04:57.932\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n05:22.617 --> 05:48.298\n跟委員報告我們一直呼籲中國大陸2020年4月份他們就不讓學位生來那現在來台灣的這個入生的結構學位生現有學位生越來越少剩下1000多人那麼如果說現在比較多的是研修生大概今年1到10月還有2108位那這個當然入生的這個在校園是越來越少\n\n05:48.899 --> 05:51.522\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n06:06.056 --> 06:32.745\n中國大陸學生來臺灣留學而且我們也接到許多中國大陸的家長他們希望到臺灣留學但是中國大陸他對於他的國人境外就是嚴格管控所以他們還不能來我們也呼籲他應該讓兩岸的年輕人像我們剛剛今天早上討論到兩岸青年交流很重要最主要是學生交流學生交流應該讓他自由自在自主自然的交流其實入生來臺\n\n06:35.666 --> 06:36.908\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n06:53.889 --> 06:56.350\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n07:16.054 --> 07:34.587\n想要請這個主委來解釋是他的這個登錄的重點是有利於這個國人在遇到緊急事情的時候政府能夠及時聯絡這個緊急聯絡人而提供必要協助是嗎?是,跟委員報告我們這個對國人賦入感目前還有風險的情況下那國人透過這個登錄系統\n\n07:35.868 --> 07:37.249\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n08:02.378 --> 08:04.799\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n08:31.368 --> 08:53.227\n好那接下來我要請教主委的齁剛剛有提到齁台灣呃台灣國人齁現在去大陸旅遊大概到目前今年為止大概230多萬人有去大陸嘛一到十月一到十月嘛那我想要請教現在登錄系統齁我們可以看到登錄系統這樣的資料齁我們登錄的資料113年目前登錄的資料只有幾萬人欸\n\n08:54.668 --> 09:17.380\n那是不是這個登錄系統完全沒有發揮它的作用只有幾萬人登錄兩百多萬人去大陸旅遊可是只有不到兩萬人登錄這樣的系統然後要花人民納稅錢這個六七百萬來建設這樣的系統會不會認為有浪費國家預算的問題那我再請教另外一個問題第一個登錄人數比較少那我想要請教就是說\n\n09:18.180 --> 09:43.385\n因為花了人民納稅錢大概六、七百萬,因為登錄這個系統而實際緊急處理的人數為何?大概多少人?這個我先跟委員回答,就是說我們以今年跟去年的話,我們今年登錄的人數已經是去年的14倍,我們港澳的部分有6倍,是增加很多,但是我們國人在評估它的風險,\n\n09:44.685 --> 09:46.827\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n10:05.794 --> 10:28.040\n跟委員報告事實上陸委會提供這樣的緊急服務我請問請問人數你清楚人數嗎?我們的人數基本上是包含海基會的緊急服務專線我請教的不是海基會的緊急服務我請教的是陸委會建設這樣的系統這個港澳台富登陸系統以後服務了多少人我直接跟主委報告服務是0人吶\n\n10:29.540 --> 10:31.661\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n10:50.912 --> 11:05.890\n請教你現在花人民納稅前700萬進入的這個登錄系統有沒有服務到任何我們的國人?我們到港澳的時候會收到了簡訊,大陸也一樣,貴友基安就只有簡訊,簡訊以外上面是我們駐館的電話\n\n11:08.152 --> 11:08.593\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n11:25.951 --> 11:28.833\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n11:51.929 --> 11:54.591\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n12:17.055 --> 12:43.215\n那請你提供你的電子郵件信箱,只是我沒有填寫啦我沒有填寫我的電子郵件信箱啦所以他這樣的系統也是可以過關的所以我要請教的就是我們立委會這樣子沒有房貸的一個系統要花人民納稅前七、八百萬是合理的嗎?你們有沒有在做這樣的資料的檢核?這個系統已經推了兩年了欸報告委員針對這部分我們事實上有發現我們已經請廠商進行後續的修正\n\n12:44.904 --> 13:12.177\n針對負照號碼我全部都填了而且這個系統連提供到我們國人要到哪裡附入哪裡的地址也不是必要填寫資訊那這個資訊你要如何去救助需要救助的國人?因為國人不見得希望提供這麼詳細資料但他只要提現在是線上系統他告訴我們是要緊急聯絡人而不是說一定要到大陸的哪一個城市住在哪一個地方\n\n13:12.597 --> 13:37.422\n好所以本席是拜託這個主委主委非常辛苦在你們在做事情的時候要讓用人民大稅錢的時候已經兩年的系統了是結果救助的人是零而且沒有這個資訊沒有房貸的謝謝委員執政我們會不斷的把它優化那到底裡面有多少的錯誤的資訊所以我跟你講這個答案是零也不意外因為根本就沒有這個系統的功能基本上就是零\n\n13:37.922 --> 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],["張委員智倫：時間的關係，我了解，主委，就是要放棄懲獨22條才有可能……"],["邱主任委員垂正：至少對國人赴陸沒有安全危害，這是前提！"],["張委員智倫：我了解，可以，我們都接受，因為保障臺灣人的安全！可是對於我們全臺的觀光業到底如何開放？因為我本來認為只要雙方都開放觀光旅遊就可以解除禁團令……"],["邱主任委員垂正：不過委員，我要跟你報告，雖然我們沒有辦法常態化出團，但是現在觀光旅遊團仍然持續在出團，所以以數字而言，從3月到10月……"],["張委員智倫：主委，等一下，我要暫停一下，你說現在有禁團令可是臺灣還是繼續在出團？"],["邱主任委員垂正：是，持續出團。"],["張委員智倫：那不是違反禁團令嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：他不是……那個禁團令是外面講的，我們講的是……"],["張委員智倫：主委，我了解你的意思……"],["邱主任委員垂正：對於安全問題還在……還沒有完全出團，但是如果業者在6月1號已經規劃的團仍然在出團，所以我們一直到現在還在出團，從3月到10月底有16.9萬團客出團，如果加上11月份的話，我相信已經20萬團客到大陸去了。"],["張委員智倫：所以主委的意思是說，現在還有當時6月1號禁團令之後的旅遊團，因為還沒有出團，目前還有在出團的情況？"],["邱主任委員垂正：對，現在還在繼續出團。"],["張委員智倫：他們大概會出團到什麼時候？他如果跟觀光署申請是在6月以前就規劃的旅行團，那觀光署審認的話，所以3月到11月已經有16.9萬人持續以團客的名義出團。"],["張委員智倫：大概還有百分之多少的團還沒有出去？有掌握嗎？沒有掌握的話，會後再來討論。"],["邱主任委員垂正：好。"],["張委員智倫：第二個，在賴清德的就職演說，剛剛有提到第一個，重啟雙方對等的觀光旅遊；第二個，陸生來臺就學的部分。我知道大陸本身沒有開放到臺灣來就學，請問陸委會有沒有要去討論未來要如何讓大陸這邊可以開放陸生來臺？"],["邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，我們一直呼籲中國大陸，2020年4月份他們就不讓學位生來，關於現在來臺灣的陸生的結構，現有學位生越來越少，剩下一千多人；現在比較多的是研修生，大概今年1到10月還有2,108位，當然陸生在校園是越來越少。"],["張委員智倫：所以關於變少的部分，陸委會這邊有沒有任何的方式可以跟大陸來做溝通？就是政治放一邊，學生的交流是可以繼續進行的，有沒有什麼樣的前提？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們就是呼籲中國大陸讓中國大陸學生來臺灣留學，而且我們也接到許多中國大陸的家長希望到臺灣留學，但是中國大陸對於他的國人到境外就是嚴格管控，所以他們還不能來。我們也呼籲，他應該讓兩岸的年輕人，像我們今天早上討論到兩岸青年交流很重要，最主要是學生交流，學生交流應該讓他自由、自在、自主、自然的交流，其實陸生來臺念學位生最能達到充分交流。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝主委，這部分拜託陸委會再努力加強讓學生的交流可以繼續暢通。"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們會跟主管機關一起努力。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝。我要再請教主委，我對接下來這個事情比較在意，就是陸委會最近有一個登錄的系統是國人赴陸港澳動態登錄系統，我不知道它的建置成本大概多少錢，在113年的時候我們政府編列了667萬的預算，在114年花了人民776萬的納稅錢去做，我主要是想要請主委來解釋，這個登錄的重點是有利於國人在遇到緊急事情的時候，政府能夠即時聯絡緊急聯絡人而提供必要的協助嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：是，跟委員報告，在我們國人赴陸港澳目前還有風險的情況下，國人透過這個登錄系統會留下我們可以跟他聯繫的方式，還有我們也可以跟他的家人聯繫，如果有需要的話，我們就可以提供即時的援助，多一層保障，當然我們知道國人會擔心他的個資……"],["張委員智倫：跟主委報告兩件事，第一個，當時在這個系統實施當中，我還記得那時候的新聞有報導陸委會有委外單位的人好像穿著背心在機場到處要求民眾來登錄，當時也被人家說這有個資竊取的問題，那我想要請問主委，現在還有這樣的狀況嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們對外的宣導是儘量不要去打擾民眾，而且要用說理的，不要干擾人家。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝。"],["邱主任委員垂正：至於個資的部分，我們跟所有的國人保證，這沒有個資的問題，而且我們最近也成立了一個風險的諮詢專線，如果有個資問題，可以跟我們講，如果登錄不順，也可以跟我們講。"],["張委員智倫：好，接下來我要請教主委，剛剛有提到今年去大陸旅遊的國人到目前為止大概有兩百三十幾萬人……"],["邱主任委員垂正：1到10月。"],["張委員智倫：從1到10月，我想要請教主委，我們可以看到登錄系統裡面有這樣的資料，目前只有幾萬人登錄資料，那是不是這個登錄系統完全沒有發揮它的作用？只有幾萬人登錄，兩百多萬人去大陸旅遊，可是只有不到2萬人登錄，然後要花人民六、七百萬的納稅錢來建置這樣的系統，你認為會不會有浪費國家預算的問題？"],["邱主任委員垂正：謝謝委員指正。"],["張委員智倫：我再請教另外一個問題，除了登錄人數比較少，我想要請教，花了人民大概六、七百萬的納稅錢，有登錄這個系統而實際緊急處理的人數大概是多少人？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我先跟委員回復，以今年跟去年相比，我們今年登錄的人數已經是去年的14倍，我們港澳的部分有6倍，增加了很多，但是我們國人在評估它的風險還有疑慮，對個資還有疑慮，對怎麼樣登錄還有疑慮，所以我們最近也……"],["張委員智倫：主委，除了登錄的人次過少以外……"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們會努力。"],["張委員智倫：有沒有人可以回答有多少人是因為登錄這個系統而做緊急處理？"],["邱主任委員垂正：這個比較細部，我請我們周處長來跟委員回復。"],["張委員智倫：請說。"],["周處長鳴瑞：跟委員報告，事實上，陸委會提供這樣的緊急服務……"],["張委員智倫：我只請問人數，你清楚人數嗎？"],["周處長鳴瑞：我們的人數基本上是包含海基會的緊急服務專線……"],["張委員智倫：沒有，我請教的不是海基會的緊急服務專線，我請教的是陸委會建置這樣的國人赴陸港澳動態登錄系統以後，總共服務了多少人？我直接跟主委報告，答案是0人，一個人都沒有服務到啊！"],["邱主任委員垂正：我請我們港澳處處長說明。"],["盧處長長水：委員好。"],["張委員智倫：花了人民納稅錢六、七百萬建置了一個系統，可是連一個人都沒有服務到，是怎麼回事？"],["盧處長長水：跟委員報告，我們駐館有兩樣，有一個是主動性，還有一個是被動性，我們的急難救助件數在去年就有4,834件……"],["張委員智倫：沒有，我只是請教你，你們現在花了人民納稅錢六、七百萬建置這個登錄系統，有沒有服務到我們任何的國人？"],["盧處長長水：跟委員報告，我們國人到港澳的時候會收到簡訊，到大陸也一樣，會有急難救助的簡訊，簡訊裡面會有我們駐館的電話，如果國人到那邊有需要急難救助，他可以主動打電話到駐館，可是有一些案件譬如說失聯、失蹤、昏迷、死亡……"],["張委員智倫：那我請教你，大家是不是直接打海基會的緊急專線就好了，不需要登錄這個系統？因為登錄這個系統，從過去到現在救助的人數是0啊！"],["盧處長長水：委員，這有分主動和被動，像在港澳發生的失聯、失蹤、昏迷、死亡，或者有一些緊急的事故，有一些大的車禍，那除非這些人已經昏迷了或死亡，我們會來協助他們。"],["張委員智倫：因為時間的關係，我要跟主委報告，這個系統使用的狀況完全不好，而且協助緊急處理的人數是0，所以希望對這個系統要好好的來做改進。"],["邱主任委員垂正：委員，我們經常碰到這種案子，以前我在海基會常常說這個人的身分不明、無法聯繫，如果他有登錄的話，就可以解決，我覺得還是有必要。"],["張委員智倫：好，講到登錄問題，我馬上給主委看什麼叫登錄，我剛剛私下有去登錄一下，我去登錄的時候是把我的名字打成「張小倫」，我的護照號碼全部都打0，然後我的緊急聯絡人是打「張大倫」，結果它就跟我講「恭喜你登錄成功，請你提供你的電子郵件信箱」，可是我沒有填寫我的電子郵件信箱，像我這樣寫在這個系統也是可以過關的。所以我要請教陸委會，像這樣一個沒有防呆的系統，要花人民納稅錢七、八百萬，這是合理的嗎？你們有沒有在做資料的檢核？這個系統已經推2年了！"],["周處長鳴瑞：報告委員，針對這個部分，事實上我們有發現，我們已經請廠商進行後續的修正。"],["張委員智倫：多久會修正完畢？"],["周處長鳴瑞：針對護照號碼的檢核都會……"],["張委員智倫：護照號碼我全部都填0，而且在這個系統連我們國人赴陸時要到哪個地址也不是必要填寫的資訊，那沒有這個資訊，你要如何去救助需要救助的國人？"],["周處長鳴瑞：報告委員，因為國人不見得希望提供這麼詳細的資料，但是他只要提供……"],["張委員智倫：現在是線上系統。"],["周處長鳴瑞：他是要告訴我們緊急聯絡人，而不是一定要說是到大陸的哪一個城市、住在哪一個地方，就是國人希望不要填到那麼詳細。"],["張委員智倫：好，本席要拜託主委，主委非常的辛苦，但是你們在做事情的時候、要用人民納稅錢的時候，像這個已經用了2年的系統，結果救助的人數是0，而且對填寫資訊也沒有防呆的機制。"],["邱主任委員垂正：謝謝委員的指正，我們會不斷的把它優化。"],["張委員智倫：那到底裡面有多少錯誤的資訊？我跟你講，這個答案是0其實也不意外，因為這個系統的功能基本上就是0。"],["邱主任委員垂正：沒有，應該是有很多，謝謝委員，我們再跟委員私下說明。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝。"],["邱主任委員垂正：謝謝委員。"],["主席：好，謝謝張智倫委員。","我們現在休息5分鐘。","休息（10時47分）","繼續開會（10時55分）"],["主席：現在繼續開會。接下來請黃捷委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":248,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-13","speakers":["徐欣瑩","張宏陸","麥玉珍","牛煦庭","王美惠","李柏毅","張智倫","黃捷","蘇巧慧","許宇甄","黃建賓","賴士葆","吳琪銘","丁學忠","王義川","葉元之","黃國昌","羅智強","沈伯洋","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算；三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法\n人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案；四、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進\n會114年度預算書案【所列預算案僅詢答，另定期處理】","agenda_id":"11311101_00001"}}}