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00:02:13,123\n就如同你所說的文化應該要有交流的一個橋樑但我們看到現在兩岸政策的一個僵局影響故宮參訪的人數似乎讓文化也受到了政治的一個限制這是非常可惜的這幾天我們看到陸生團參觀故宮陸生團都很興奮看到翠玉白菜肉行石清明上河圖本尊我想請問\n\n7\n00:02:14,244 --> 00:02:37,447\n故宮作為兩岸文化最高殿堂如果我們可以用文化取代口水用文化改變緊張關係以故宮作為一個平台推動兩岸文化的一個軟性互動讓文化外交超越政治的緊張院長你覺得這個有沒有辦法讓故宮成為兩岸文化交流的春暖花開的一個契機關鍵的一個鑰匙請回答\n\n8\n00:02:39,348 --> 00:03:05,545\n顧宮當然在整個兩岸文化交流的話會有一個一定性的作用跟影響可是如果要故宮變成是一個指標或是影響的關鍵的話基本上來講的話這個可能還要大家還要有有一點點共識當然不敢奢求一定當指標但是我希望能夠開啟這樣的契機未來透過這樣子的一個軟性互動文化交流\n\n9\n00:03:05,965 --> 00:03:19,484\n尤其是故宮這部分我們有這樣子的一個重要文物來做一個推廣我想這是本席希望看到我們的最重要的目的都跟你一樣只是希望參觀故宮的人數能夠提升\n\n10\n00:03:20,635 --> 00:03:48,462\n這就是我們最重要的一個今天來到的一個目標那我另外要跟你討論省基部去年的報告故宮在數位轉型的時候未依照數位安全規範將所謂的系統變更管理的一個作業環境措施等問題加上去年曾經故宮文物高階圖檔外洩並被放到淘寶賤賣的一個事情這無疑就是對整個故宮資訊安全的一個疑慮我想我們當然全力的來衝\n\n11\n00:03:49,742 --> 00:04:13,817\n所謂的入課、入生來參觀故宮但是對於我們自己的資訊安全的保障我們是認為刻不容緩而且是寸土不讓在審計部也有這樣子的一個報告我想問現在審計部的一個報告故宮今年五月回應提出五項的資安改善現在目前有符合哪一些是ISMS的規範改進內容有嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:18,371\n您們最近是不是有委外辦理?\n\n13\n00:05:04,383 --> 00:05:29,059\n我認為不應該再有這樣子的一個事件發生跟委員報告的確就是在兩年前的話就是有所謂的同人作業的貪圖便利把圖檔放在開放空間中但這個事情的話跟所謂的淘寶的賤賣圖檔沒有關係因為我們去清查所有淘寶的圖檔裡面基本上來講都是以故宮opendata的居多\n\n14\n00:05:29,719 --> 00:05:54,699\n但是opendata本來就可以自由取用,可是他們把它打包上去賣,所以這樣的作為不符合法。我想我們都非常的重視,不管是剛剛有委員提到所謂的文物的保存,到現在數位資訊安全,我想我要再一次的最後下通牒,如果故宮讓我們這麼不擔心,讓我們這麼擔心,我們不排除還要到故宮做考察,深入的了解,我想不要走到這一步啊。院長,這很難堪啊。\n\n15\n00:05:56,895 --> 00:06:17,218\n那我想故宮國寶的一個出遊到台中後續我也想跟你再追蹤上次我有跟你詢問喔在11月24本席有問到故宮國寶的一個出遊去本席有建議故宮館長移屍到台中當時院長有承諾我會再研議喔研議的情形我現在還沒有收到任何的答案院長\n\n16\n00:06:18,737 --> 00:06:42,372\n這個部分的話當然就是我會再找那個國內館的館長去討論1624到現在你還沒找他我有跟他溝通啊那那個那個比如說像那個高雄美術館啦他們也都來了都希望說跟故宮再加強合作甚至連台北美術館館長都來跟我們洽談我是很認真的在邀請喔我是希望院長能夠達到這次我們的一個需求我再提一個數據喔\n\n17\n00:06:47,515 --> 00:07:10,860\n這是一百一十二年預算中心評估報告故宮國寶出遊我們看到一百零七年國立台灣美術館一百零七年台中花博以及一百零八年的故宮南院相關的參觀人次都在這上面我想歷年的數據再加上國立故宮博物院博物院在這一百一十二年度的部會管制計畫平和結果裡面有提到\n\n18\n00:07:12,060 --> 00:07:18,742\n112年故宮國寶由彰化2.0故宮文物及相關的新媒體藝術展總參觀的是43,389人次以及故宮出遊我們相關的國寶出遊在台南美術館的一個展覽合作\n\n19\n00:07:27,265 --> 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data的居多\n但是open data本來就可以自由取用,可是他們把它打包上去賣,所以這樣的作為不符合法。我想我們都非常的重視,不管是剛剛有委員提到所謂的文物的保存,到現在數位資訊安全,我想我要再一次的最後下通牒,如果故宮讓我們這麼不擔心,讓我們這麼擔心,我們不排除還要到故宮做考察,深入的了解,我想不要走到這一步啊。院長,這很難堪啊。\n那我想故宮國寶的一個出遊到台中後續我也想跟你再追蹤上次我有跟你詢問喔在11月24本席有問到故宮國寶的一個出遊去本席有建議故宮館長移屍到台中當時院長有承諾我會再研議喔研議的情形我現在還沒有收到任何的答案院長\n這個部分的話當然就是我會再找那個國內館的館長去討論1624到現在你還沒找他我有跟他溝通啊那那個那個比如說像那個高雄美術館啦他們也都來了都希望說跟故宮再加強合作甚至連台北美術館館長都來跟我們洽談我是很認真的在邀請喔我是希望院長能夠達到這次我們的一個需求我再提一個數據喔\n這是一百一十二年預算中心評估報告故宮國寶出遊我們看到一百零七年國立台灣美術館一百零七年台中花博以及一百零八年的故宮南院相關的參觀人次都在這上面我想歷年的數據再加上國立故宮博物院博物院在這一百一十二年度的部會管制計畫平和結果裡面有提到\n112年故宮國寶由彰化2.0故宮文物及相關的新媒體藝術展總參觀的是43,389人次以及故宮出遊我們相關的國寶出遊在台南美術館的一個展覽合作\n都有129,424人次就參觀人次來做我們來看這樣子的數據分析我們台中市居冠當然展期的期限長短也都有影響那如果就期限去和國立美術館相比也是遠超出許多所以院長台中市南北交通重要的一個樞紐擁有絕佳的地理位置\n無論是高鐵台鐵還是開車民眾都非常方便喔再一次的麻煩院長慎重的幫我們協助我想這個工作我一定會努力來完成這是我第二次拜託第二次爭取喔也歡迎台中來策展大概可以多久給我答案\n兩個禮拜兩個禮拜你的兩個禮拜我感受到裡面充滿著誠意跟態度不要緊張我沒有要罵你但是這兩個禮拜裡面我希望能夠得到很明確我們非常引頸期盼的答案\n二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管預算\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.808 --> 00:31.495\n謝謝趙偉有請院長好院長請院長好是上次有問到有關於參觀博物館的人次喔不知道院長還記不記得當時院長有說參觀人次是沒辦法讓人家滿意喔覺得可以再加強一下具體怎麼做院長有想出解決辦法了嗎\n\n00:33.720 --> 00:58.091\n因故宮其實同仁都很努力我們辦的好的展覽然後辦了一些教育活動可是人潮沒有回流真的是很我們自己也覺得很不滿意但明年的話我們100plus的話我們會有一些重要的文物到南苑的話基本上來講是不管是北苑南苑的話我期待它的參觀人數都會增加所以院長您覺得您的具體作為就是將\n\n00:58.951 --> 01:01.133\n主管預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管預算\n\n01:19.729 --> 01:28.994\n之前馬英九總統執政、蔡英文總統執政我們這些過往的旅客當中是不是入客是屬於大宗的?\n\n01:30.906 --> 01:51.546\n路客在整個階段性的時候基本上來講把那個故宮博物院衝到高點可是當初沒有開放路客的時候觀眾其實也不少了但是你不能否認路客是佔極大多數那個時候是把故宮的參觀人數拉高到現在一直都沒有辦法突破的一個\n\n01:51.966 --> 02:13.123\n就如同你所說的文化應該要有交流的一個橋樑但我們看到現在兩岸政策的一個僵局影響故宮參訪的人數似乎讓文化也受到了政治的一個限制這是非常可惜的這幾天我們看到陸生團參觀故宮陸生團都很興奮看到翠玉白菜肉行石清明上河圖本尊我想請問\n\n02:14.244 --> 02:37.447\n故宮作為兩岸文化最高殿堂如果我們可以用文化取代口水用文化改變緊張關係以故宮作為一個平台推動兩岸文化的一個軟性互動讓文化外交超越政治的緊張院長你覺得這個有沒有辦法讓故宮成為兩岸文化交流的春暖花開的一個契機關鍵的一個鑰匙請回答\n\n02:39.348 --> 03:05.545\n顧宮當然在整個兩岸文化交流的話會有一個一定性的作用跟影響可是如果要故宮變成是一個指標或是影響的關鍵的話基本上來講的話這個可能還要大家還要有有一點點共識當然不敢奢求一定當指標但是我希望能夠開啟這樣的契機未來透過這樣子的一個軟性互動文化交流\n\n03:05.965 --> 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