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00:02:50,328\n但是我看你們的預算原額卻只有150至165之間部長這又是粉飾太平為了說離職率要好看一點所以把這個原額從150把它擴大這個分母成為300以上來說明一下\n\n8\n00:02:52,689 --> 00:03:19,954\n報告委員這個我看的不是那個number我看的是離子人數所以我剛剛特別講說我看的是人數所以他那個離子率的計算這個我覺得這個計算是的確是一個問號不過我重點要看的是剛剛每個數的離子人數大概是有兩種計算的公式一種是期末的載子人數加上期間的離子人數或者是\n\n9\n00:03:20,954 --> 00:03:43,911\n其初在職人數加上期末在職人數除以二這應該是一個基本的功能不過部長我已經講得很明白了從治安署謝署長剛才所說明的42個人的離職他只用8個人來作為一個計算的基礎這是不對的這是欺騙社會大眾我認為不可取\n\n10\n00:03:44,631 --> 00:04:04,884\n第二相關的數位署還有資安署相關的離職率的這個計算也是粉飾太平這個你要嚴加的督促了好那我現在來回到相關的這個推動本土繁體中文AI模型這個議題來請教一下這個部長就是說我們現在的\n\n11\n00:04:09,414 --> 00:04:09,434\n拜訪議員\n\n12\n00:04:36,525 --> 00:04:39,769\n報告委員我們推動主權的AI但資料的共享很重要那資料部請資源創新師來做個說明\n\n13\n00:04:56,388 --> 00:05:12,364\n報告委員對於這個資料的應用的部分我們過往有那個開放資料的一個處理所以在過往10年來講我們開放資料總有5萬多筆那依據我們做台德的訓練來講它其實有三分之一的資料大概是使用開放資料\n\n14\n00:05:38,989 --> 00:06:02,764\n我們必須要降低對於外國技術或服務的依賴要強化我們自己臺灣本土的實力推動發展跟普及我看我們TWNIC就是臺灣網路資訊中心2024的臺灣網路報告雖然使用CHAPGPT的人口逐漸增加但是使用者比例大概集中於40歲以下\n\n15\n00:06:03,984 --> 00:06:26,255\n獲得大學以上的學歷為主要的族群我們必須要更普及另外我們是具有民主自由的這樣的一個優勢我們作為自由民主的國家我們所擁有的言論自由的環境或者是能夠讓AI數據收集更多多元具有代表性的這樣的一個環境這種開放的數據環境\n\n16\n00:06:30,217 --> 00:06:55,552\n是推動本土繁體中文AI模型的一大優勢也是國際合作的一個亮點那這對於提升我們的國家自主性跟國家競爭力也是一個重要的方向那臺灣在語言文化的自主性數據安全的方面如果沒有做好這個AI繁體中文的這樣的一個重要的基礎的話我們會喪失主導權\n\n17\n00:06:58,774 --> 00:07:26,561\n另外我看南韓有成立這個市中學堂的改革方案部長應該知道了他們建置AI的i市中學堂的一個平台作為推廣韓語的一個前哨站他們在世界各地設立伺服器讓學員能夠更方便學習韓語那我們數話部何時會跟進\n\n18\n00:07:28,842 --> 00:07:52,703\n我們對本國的技術有沒有信心來保證你講一下那我們有自己訓練的模型那至於說這個教育的推廣這一部分我們會去看看怎麼去最後跟其他部位共同合作這是一個重要的未來的建制的方向沒錯另外我們也要滿足我們在地的模型在地的需求來促進數位的平等因為\n\n19\n00:07:54,209 --> 00:08:15,044\n本土AI模型我認為它不只是技術的議題更是文化保存的一個問題本土的AI模型更能掌握我們台灣特有的社會文化的背景而且對於語言障礙的群體教育程度較低及高齡人口來說是特別重要的\n\n20\n00:08:16,898 --> 00:08:30,251\n國際AI大廠這些巨頭他們的AI模型他們是有強大的技術能力但是他們對於這些語言文化的掌握還是不足對於繁體中文的這個環境還是不足\n\n21\n00:08:32,025 --> 00:08:54,461\n我們的本土自己AI模型能夠深入的去捕捉這一些語言的細節然後能夠解決在國際工具使用中因為識別錯誤或表達不準的這一些問題部長你有注意到這一些嗎所以才說我們要推動主權的AI我們要有自己的AI的model跟自己的那個\n\n22\n00:08:55,141 --> 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