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--> 00:00.573\n請邱主委。\n\n00:04.824 --> 00:34.144\n黃委員好邱主委好先跟你請教因為大家知道說其實中國最近對於宗教的打壓是越來越嚴重那今天早上也出現一個新聞說有三位來自台灣的一貫道的教徒到中國去那結果被關押了到現在還沒有放出來那我知道說這件事情其實海基會也進入處理了那當然這個細節的處理我們希望說最後都是圓滿的結果但我想要請教的是其實現在還是很多國人\n\n00:34.264 --> 00:37.865\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n01:04.053 --> 01:29.475\n包括說今年一到九月國人赴中港澳的人次是331萬人跟去年同期比起來增加了77%去年同期是187萬人也就是說即便你們很努力的想要告訴大家說去中國有非常多的未知的風險不管是他們政治的變化還是這一些他們對於各種宗教、文化的打壓但是國人還是\n\n01:30.836 --> 01:56.403\n在無預警的情況下這樣子到中國去旅遊那這個部分我們陸委會還可以做什麼呢我在這邊具體請教建議兩件事情第一個這個國人赴中港澳的動態的登錄系統目前看起來登錄的比例實在是太低了是不是應該要有更強制或者是更明確一點的做法來提高國人去中港澳他們應該都要來先來登錄這樣的系統呢第二個\n\n01:59.924 --> 02:26.942\n是不是可以具體的來要求我們旅遊業者來配合?配合什麼?就是你過海關出境之前你都必須要手上要拿到這個警示的小卡或者是說你在訂飯店、訂機票的當下就會看到這個旅遊警示告訴你說赴中國就是有這些風險啊你去你只是參加宗教活動你參加文化活動、參加學術活動就是有可能隨時被關啊\n\n02:28.403 --> 02:43.532\n這些警示難道不應該讓國人知道嗎?我分兩個部分來回答委員的問題。第一個是風險。確實先附入港澳的風險極高。除了中國大陸不斷的出台相當多的國家安全的\n\n02:44.272 --> 02:45.273\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n03:08.931 --> 03:10.252\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n03:29.019 --> 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