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00:01:08,653\n還有沒有百年?充滿了正面的期待我們沒有悲觀的權利,本來就這樣子,政務官都應該這樣子我在問某些部會,就有些部會蠻悲觀的,特別對高齡社會充滿悲觀的想像\n\n4\n00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:36,027\n高齡基本上來講也是故宮現在主要的服務對象對對對應該是這樣子所以等一下要請院長回答一下這麼大的市場你們怎麼看但是呢我要講今天我要講文化問題在2000年民進黨執政之後我有寫了我有著述文化保台論\n\n5\n00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:41,382\n以文化為戰略保護台灣\n\n6\n00:01:52,202 --> 00:02:14,618\n那怎麼善用這一個所以在文化寶台當中故宮就是一個戰略的中心這個你認同嗎在2000年之前台灣是華夏文化的燈塔故宮是整個全球對於中華文明的一個一個向心力的地方這在2000年\n\n7\n00:02:16,567 --> 00:02:32,519\n那時候很多路客來台灣看了很感動因為他們在搞文化大革命的時候都把很多的中國文化都把它砸毀了說幸好你們把它拿到台灣來保存在台灣但是現在換我們開始想要搗毀這些文化\n\n8\n00:02:37,406 --> 00:02:52,939\n根文報告沒有這回事但是我知道故宮現在確深不明歷史證明政治蠢人多但是它會造成世上苦人多\n\n9\n00:02:53,956 --> 00:02:58,019\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n10\n00:03:12,990 --> 00:03:30,955\n故宮是中華文化嘛,對不對?沒有問題嘛?那是台灣重要資產?這都很確認啦那故宮典藏著這個全世界最龐大的中華文化的魁寶、文化魁寶也世界文明、人類文明的重要遺產\n\n11\n00:03:32,645 --> 00:03:46,865\n那所以這個在世界國際的博物館當中就是名列前茅台灣的故宮在國際當中很有地位那要請問院長在當前的台灣政治情勢和氣氛下\n\n12\n00:03:48,186 --> 00:04:04,435\n目前以中華文物為主的故宮博物院是否會有感到矛盾?站在博物館的管理者的立場我絕對沒有任何的矛盾所以故宮只是一個博物館\n\n13\n00:04:06,055 --> 00:04:29,931\n故宮當然是一個博物館它是一個華夏文化的一個重要的收藏的一個地方不是一個國家文明的一個國家文明的因為故宮地位跟博物館一般不一樣欸為什麼會所以呢這個上次我有問過你們把自己定位是一個博物館\n\n14\n00:04:31,215 --> 00:04:35,304\n中性的博物館收集來自各地都一樣\n\n15\n00:04:38,319 --> 00:05:04,075\n這個影響到,這不是只有這樣子,這影響到你的經營策略。我知道,可是如果是說要協力來講的話,新博館協的概念裡面的話,就不會把博館當作一個意識形態的工具,那當然沒有錯啦,它的確是,可是因為新博館協的話,基本上來講,大家不講這個東西。沒有啦,我知道這是你的危難,這個不叫意識形態,國家文明,\n\n16\n00:05:05,276 --> 00:05:05,476\n議員主席議員\n\n17\n00:05:21,874 --> 00:05:36,089\n故宮過去是外賓參訪台灣的首選我們看本來預估今年應該有170萬的國際訪客來造訪故宮但是截至到我現在的資料是10月14只有70萬一半都不到\n\n18\n00:05:37,691 --> 00:06:06,229\n包括我們的經典的故宮的精選網站瀏覽次數也從過去2021年的327萬次下降到今年54萬次感覺故宮在的吸引力大大下降那為什麼呢?院長沒有吸引力不是沒有吸引力當然沒有錯就是委員也講說不能一直講疫情疫情已經過去了但是疫情的確是有影響所以包括\n\n19\n00:06:07,503 --> 00:06:27,980\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查\n\n20\n00:06:37,082 --> 00:07:04,580\n亮點就是因為你在你會在整個世界爭端的第一線嘛所以呢就是有亮點嘛還沾沾自喜那好這個跳過去這就是我們的問題啦腦袋有問題啦OK外交部最近你們今天八月有12件的文物要歸還給中華民國的中華文物也收到給故宮來典藏欸這個也感覺到很奇怪\n\n21\n00:07:06,155 --> 00:07:12,366\n中華民國的東西或者是中華文物的東西外國的要還為什麼不還給中國要還給台灣故宮\n\n22\n00:07:15,020 --> 00:07:21,445\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n23\n00:07:43,240 --> 00:08:00,678\n最近賴總統說中華民國論述要持續下去這當然就是各自解讀啦各自解讀也不太清楚他講的這句話是什麼意思但總之好像\n\n24\n00:08:02,099 --> 00:08:27,396\n好像是要接受中華民國把這個就是中華民國過去好像跟台灣是一個對立的概念現在想要把它化解一下它的矛盾現在看起來但是話是這樣講實際好像也沒有做但是至少有一個方向那我請問在賴總統這樣的一個方向下故宮是否要調整你的定位\n\n25\n00:08:29,753 --> 00:08:35,534\n國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n26\n00:09:00,309 --> 00:09:13,262\n沒有這個問題因為你本來定位是南院要叫亞洲文化博物館那北院是華夏文化館現在說要把它變成南北院定位一致那到底是誰定位的誰?誰統戰的誰?\n\n27\n00:09:14,804 --> 00:09:15,665\n主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n28\n00:09:30,598 --> 00:09:43,792\n故宮去中化的質疑生在其,所以這一個,現在都在去中,我們課綱也要去中啊,什麼要去中,所以呢,我看你們的報告裡面都不太,寫下筆下字都有小心翼翼\n\n29\n00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,243\n一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n30\n00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:44,388\n有沒有這樣子你看連那個中生來台只是參訪一下中山女高的學生看到馬龍那個帥哥尖叫馬上覺得我們被統戰了你看網路就論戰成了一個玻璃心就碎成一片你知道故宮現在會不會有這種疑慮呢\n\n31\n00:10:50,106 --> 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--> 00:09.276\n委員長請委員長好\n\n00:21.833 --> 00:46.080\n這個恭喜這個故宮要百年喔百年喔但是我不曉得院長百歲宴慶不是百年不能用叫百年喔沒有啦現在百年都是好事啦那那個但是呢不曉得這個院長的心裡是酸甜苦辣是覺得很歡慶還是憂心忡忡\n\n00:49.804 --> 01:08.653\n還有沒有百年?充滿了正面的期待我們沒有悲觀的權利,本來就這樣子,政務官都應該這樣子我在問某些部會,就有些部會蠻悲觀的,特別對高齡社會充滿悲觀的想像\n\n01:10.153 --> 01:36.027\n高齡基本上來講也是故宮現在主要的服務對象對對對應該是這樣子所以等一下要請院長回答一下這麼大的市場你們怎麼看但是呢我要講今天我要講文化問題在2000年民進黨執政之後我有寫了我有著述文化保台論\n\n01:38.700 --> 01:41.382\n以文化為戰略保護台灣\n\n01:52.202 --> 02:14.618\n那怎麼善用這一個所以在文化寶台當中故宮就是一個戰略的中心這個你認同嗎在2000年之前台灣是華夏文化的燈塔故宮是整個全球對於中華文明的一個一個向心力的地方這在2000年\n\n02:16.567 --> 02:32.519\n那時候很多路客來台灣看了很感動因為他們在搞文化大革命的時候都把很多的中國文化都把它砸毀了說幸好你們把它拿到台灣來保存在台灣但是現在換我們開始想要搗毀這些文化\n\n02:37.406 --> 02:52.939\n根文報告沒有這回事但是我知道故宮現在確深不明歷史證明政治蠢人多但是它會造成世上苦人多\n\n02:53.956 --> 02:58.019\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n03:12.990 --> 03:30.955\n故宮是中華文化嘛,對不對?沒有問題嘛?那是台灣重要資產?這都很確認啦那故宮典藏著這個全世界最龐大的中華文化的魁寶、文化魁寶也世界文明、人類文明的重要遺產\n\n03:32.645 --> 03:46.865\n那所以這個在世界國際的博物館當中就是名列前茅台灣的故宮在國際當中很有地位那要請問院長在當前的台灣政治情勢和氣氛下\n\n03:48.186 --> 04:04.435\n目前以中華文物為主的故宮博物院是否會有感到矛盾?站在博物館的管理者的立場我絕對沒有任何的矛盾所以故宮只是一個博物館\n\n04:06.055 --> 04:29.931\n故宮當然是一個博物館它是一個華夏文化的一個重要的收藏的一個地方不是一個國家文明的一個國家文明的因為故宮地位跟博物館一般不一樣欸為什麼會所以呢這個上次我有問過你們把自己定位是一個博物館\n\n04:31.215 --> 04:35.304\n中性的博物館收集來自各地都一樣\n\n04:38.319 --> 05:04.075\n這個影響到,這不是只有這樣子,這影響到你的經營策略。我知道,可是如果是說要協力來講的話,新博館協的概念裡面的話,就不會把博館當作一個意識形態的工具,那當然沒有錯啦,它的確是,可是因為新博館協的話,基本上來講,大家不講這個東西。沒有啦,我知道這是你的危難,這個不叫意識形態,國家文明,\n\n05:05.276 --> 05:05.476\n議員主席議員\n\n05:21.874 --> 05:36.089\n故宮過去是外賓參訪台灣的首選我們看本來預估今年應該有170萬的國際訪客來造訪故宮但是截至到我現在的資料是10月14只有70萬一半都不到\n\n05:37.691 --> 06:06.229\n包括我們的經典的故宮的精選網站瀏覽次數也從過去2021年的327萬次下降到今年54萬次感覺故宮在的吸引力大大下降那為什麼呢?院長沒有吸引力不是沒有吸引力當然沒有錯就是委員也講說不能一直講疫情疫情已經過去了但是疫情的確是有影響所以包括\n\n06:07.503 --> 06:27.980\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管二、審查\n\n06:37.082 --> 07:04.580\n亮點就是因為你在你會在整個世界爭端的第一線嘛所以呢就是有亮點嘛還沾沾自喜那好這個跳過去這就是我們的問題啦腦袋有問題啦OK外交部最近你們今天八月有12件的文物要歸還給中華民國的中華文物也收到給故宮來典藏欸這個也感覺到很奇怪\n\n07:06.155 --> 07:12.366\n中華民國的東西或者是中華文物的東西外國的要還為什麼不還給中國要還給台灣故宮\n\n07:15.020 --> 07:21.445\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n07:43.240 --> 08:00.678\n最近賴總統說中華民國論述要持續下去這當然就是各自解讀啦各自解讀也不太清楚他講的這句話是什麼意思但總之好像\n\n08:02.099 --> 08:27.396\n好像是要接受中華民國把這個就是中華民國過去好像跟台灣是一個對立的概念現在想要把它化解一下它的矛盾現在看起來但是話是這樣講實際好像也沒有做但是至少有一個方向那我請問在賴總統這樣的一個方向下故宮是否要調整你的定位\n\n08:29.753 --> 08:35.534\n國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n09:00.309 --> 09:13.262\n沒有這個問題因為你本來定位是南院要叫亞洲文化博物館那北院是華夏文化館現在說要把它變成南北院定位一致那到底是誰定位的誰?誰統戰的誰?\n\n09:14.804 --> 09:15.665\n主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算\n\n09:30.598 --> 09:43.792\n故宮去中化的質疑生在其,所以這一個,現在都在去中,我們課綱也要去中啊,什麼要去中,所以呢,我看你們的報告裡面都不太,寫下筆下字都有小心翼翼\n\n09:51.440 --> 09:56.243\n一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n10:21.520 --> 10:44.388\n有沒有這樣子你看連那個中生來台只是參訪一下中山女高的學生看到馬龍那個帥哥尖叫馬上覺得我們被統戰了你看網路就論戰成了一個玻璃心就碎成一片你知道故宮現在會不會有這種疑慮呢\n\n10:50.106 --> 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錯，委員也講說不能一直講疫情，疫情已經過去了，但是疫情的確是有影響，所以包括臺灣整體的入境人數一直都還沒有回來。故宮在過去的話，外籍的觀光客、旅客占70%，現在是……"],["吳委員春城：好，我跟你講，我們近年政府最愛的就是臺灣成為世界的亮點，過去世界各國都來Taiwan，我有時候就說亮點是怎麼樣？亮點是好事、壞事？你看，這種要來臺灣參訪的，代表臺灣在他的心裡就是沒有吸引力嘛，亮點是怎麼樣？亮點就是因為你位在整個世界爭端的第一線嘛，所以才有亮點，還沾沾自喜！好，這個跳過去，這就是我們的問題，腦袋有問題啦！","OK，外交部今年8月有12件要歸還給中華民國的中華文物，也收到故宮來典藏，這個感覺也很奇怪，中華民國的東西或者是中華文物，外國要還，為什麼不還給中國，要還給臺灣故宮？"],["蕭院長宗煌：不是，這個是外交部寄藏跟外交部收藏的文物，因為它有一個歷史淵源，所以我現在一直在爭取的就是相關機關（構）的文物，寄藏的、捐贈的……"],["吳委員春城：我們現在有很多文物，透過外交部的途徑，我們會不會想要把很多故宮的文物用來拓展外交……"],["蕭院長宗煌：事實上，我們也有接受一些海外的捐贈，這個的確是有。"],["吳委員春城：OK，最近賴總統說中華民國論述要持續下去。這當然就是各自解讀了，各自解讀也不太清楚他講的這句話是什麼意思，但總之好像是要接受中華民國，把中華民國過去好像跟臺灣是一個對立的概念，現在想要化解一下它的矛盾，現在看起來啦，話是這樣講，實際好像也沒有做，但是至少有一個方向。我請問在賴總統這樣的一個方向下，故宮是否要調整你的定位？"],["蕭院長宗煌：故宮沒有調整故宮的定位，故宮一直都是故宮。"],["吳委員春城：OK，好，故宮一直都是故宮，好啦，現在包括你們南、北院本來就已經很矛盾了，南院不展故宮，要變成亞洲文化……"],["蕭院長宗煌：沒有，南院還是故宮，故宮南北院是一個整體，但是故宮南院的話，以亞洲文化作為另外一個窗口……"],["吳委員春城：現在到底是南院統戰了北院，還是北院統戰了南院？"],["蕭院長宗煌：沒有這個問題。"],["吳委員春城：沒有這個問題喔？"],["蕭院長宗煌：對啊，因為故宮南北院是一體的。"],["吳委員春城：你本來定位是南院要叫亞洲文化博物館，北院是華夏文化館，現在說要把它變成南北院定位一致，到底是誰定位了誰，誰統戰了誰？"],["蕭院長宗煌：沒有誰統戰誰。"],["吳委員春城：沒有誰統戰誰？"],["蕭院長宗煌：故宮博物院的話，南北分為兩個院區。"],["吳委員春城：都一樣喔。"],["蕭院長宗煌：但是南部院區的話，它的收藏以亞洲文物為主……"],["吳委員春城：我知道，我知道你也很混亂，但是這不是你的責任，我知道故宮很難為。故宮去中化的質疑聲再起，現在都在去中，我們的課綱要去中，什麼也要去中，所以……"],["蕭院長宗煌：跟委員報告，去故宮館裡面走一趟，沒有所謂去中的問題。"],["吳委員春城：沒有去中喔，我看你們的報告裡面都不太寫，下筆下字都小心翼翼，不然你們都會有文字獄的問題，我告訴你。來，你看這個文字獄來了，對不對？你看南韓宣布戒嚴，要剷除親北韓勢力，因為有親北韓勢力，所以就要戒嚴，哪一天我們也是因為親中賣臺的理由，也要來搞這一套的時候，你知道第一線要遭殃的就是故宮，故宮是否為中共宣傳，有沒有這樣子？你看連那個中生來臺，只是參訪一下，中山女高的學生看到馬龍那個帥哥就尖叫，哇！馬上覺得我們被統戰了，你看網路就論戰成一片了，這個玻璃心就碎成一片了，OK，好，你知道故宮現在會不會有這種疑慮呢？"],["蕭院長宗煌：我想故宮博物院在臺灣落地生根，如果是從北溝算起來是75年，在外雙溪60年的話，這樣的歷程裡面，對臺灣的民眾來講，他們對故宮的認知完全是一個文物寶藏的地方。"],["吳委員春城：好，祝福故宮百年一路好走，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝吳春城委員。","接下來我們有請郭昱晴委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-11","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","葉元之","羅廷瑋","林宜瑾","吳春城","郭昱晴","張雅琳","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":131,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案；三、處理或審查 113\n年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管預算（公務預算）解凍案3案（第一案及第二案僅\n進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11311001_00004"}}}