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00:02:49,271\n委員報告我們院會有固定的院會時間但是如果有這種緊急狀況的話當然會透過朝野或是由院長來請大家在針對這種情形來看是不是要你是說如果有緊急狀況大家要先爬進來嗎這個是分事實跟意識程序如果是事實部分的話\n\n9\n00:02:50,427 --> 00:03:12,499\n就是本來開會的時候我要從我們的立法院這樣進行我們這個模擬一下因為昨天民進黨很肯定南韓戒嚴這個事我們是擔心說他們會不會比照辦理假設發生這個狀況依照我們憲法立法院是可以決議以請總統解嚴那假設我們要進行這樣的一個決議程序上是怎樣在意識上處理上是怎樣\n\n10\n00:03:13,780 --> 00:03:35,166\n如果說依照戒嚴法如果說總統與巡視緊急時經過行政院陳請他宣告的戒嚴可是他必須在一個月內提交我們立法院的追認對對對追認但是我講的是戒嚴的狀況戒嚴是憲法規定的對立法院可以得以移情他說對對對那就是在那麼緊急的狀況那我們要怎麼去進行這個程序\n\n11\n00:03:35,732 --> 00:03:53,709\n當然就是召集委員會之後有人提案然後立刻處理那就是還是要先爬進來嘛對不對如果一樣的狀況先集合開會嘛就是先大家先進到議場裡面嘛對先組法定人數然後會議是合法然後有人提案就處理這個那可以臨時召開嘛對不對\n\n12\n00:03:54,710 --> 00:04:18,067\n召開的部分就是說我們因為現在那個是屬於特殊狀況對平常我們是正常都是二五在開院會沒錯那這種特殊狀況的話可能院長一定會請朝野黨團先來溝通然後再來看怎麼還要先溝通因為這個根據那個以前沒有發生過我看到每一次那個朝野協商都是大家就扯東扯西扯一些程序東西就會讓這個會議沒辦法進行\n\n13\n00:04:19,668 --> 00:04:37,563\n那這麼緊急的情況之下還是有可能面臨這個狀況嗎就是扯東扯西然後院長召開朝野協商然後最後這個會開不成那開不成就沒有辦法做成解嚴的決議是這個意思這種是屬於憲政上重大的事情到時候如果聽取各黨團意見之後院長還是本於他\n\n14\n00:04:39,624 --> 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王逸川就職典禮人事處辦人事處喔那不明知道狀況嗎你有在現場嗎我有陪大法官到那邊見那請問一下藍白誰百般刁難王逸川就職在現場的應該都是我們民進黨的委員沒有藍白喔那你有感覺到藍白有在刁難嗎\n基本上人事處有覺得藍白有刁難王一川就職嗎\n報告委員我們都是依照時間跟程序跟法規來辦理沒有有看有還是沒有嗎沒有嗎所以為什麼民進黨要造謠啊我我我都連南韓戒嚴這件事情民進黨都可以發文造謠這個造謠黨也太誇張了那我想另問另外一件事情南韓昨天戒嚴之後啊後來解嚴的原因我相信大家昨天都有看到嗎就是他們的國會議員爬到立呃爬到他們的那個立議場裡面去後來表決好讓這個\n就是解嚴了萬一你看民進黨現在這麼肯定南韓戒嚴這件事情昨天很多民進黨支持者也在網路上講對啦台灣就要戒嚴啦藍白就在亂啦就是要戒嚴了哇我們現在很擔心會不會民進黨真的宣布戒嚴那現在假設民進黨戒嚴的話因為我看到我們憲法是有一條就是說立法院必要時得以請總統戒嚴\n假設同樣的狀況發生在臺灣可能總統軍隊包圍然後我們立法委員這樣爬進來我不知道說這個議事要怎麼處理這個議事大概會怎麼處理如果發生在我們臺灣的狀況的話\n委員報告我們院會有固定的院會時間但是如果有這種緊急狀況的話當然會透過朝野或是由院長來請大家在針對這種情形來看是不是要你是說如果有緊急狀況大家要先爬進來嗎這個是分事實跟意識程序如果是事實部分的話\n就是本來開會的時候我要從我們的立法院這樣進行我們這個模擬一下因為昨天民進黨很肯定南韓戒嚴這個事我們是擔心說他們會不會比照辦理假設發生這個狀況依照我們憲法立法院是可以決議以請總統解嚴那假設我們要進行這樣的一個決議程序上是怎樣在意識上處理上是怎樣\n如果說依照戒嚴法如果說總統與巡視緊急時經過行政院陳請他宣告的戒嚴可是他必須在一個月內提交我們立法院的追認對對對追認但是我講的是戒嚴的狀況戒嚴是憲法規定的對立法院可以得以移情他說對對對那就是在那麼緊急的狀況那我們要怎麼去進行這個程序\n當然就是召集委員會之後有人提案然後立刻處理那就是還是要先爬進來嘛對不對如果一樣的狀況先集合開會嘛就是先大家先進到議場裡面嘛對先組法定人數然後會議是合法然後有人提案就處理這個那可以臨時召開嘛對不對\n召開的部分就是說我們因為現在那個是屬於特殊狀況對平常我們是正常都是二五在開院會沒錯那這種特殊狀況的話可能院長一定會請朝野黨團先來溝通然後再來看怎麼還要先溝通因為這個根據那個以前沒有發生過我看到每一次那個朝野協商都是大家就扯東扯西扯一些程序東西就會讓這個會議沒辦法進行\n那這麼緊急的情況之下還是有可能面臨這個狀況嗎就是扯東扯西然後院長召開朝野協商然後最後這個會開不成那開不成就沒有辦法做成解嚴的決議是這個意思這種是屬於憲政上重大的事情到時候如果聽取各黨團意見之後院長還是本於他\n他會去做相關的處理所以他可以聽完大家意見之後他可以決定說那我們現在開院會來決定是不是要通過這個解嚴的決議案然後移給總統是這個意思嗎如果是在會期中當然立法院就在運作對如果休會的話依照憲法規定他有所謂臨時會的問題他有臨時會的問題對對對那臨時會的問題要怎麼解臨時會依照憲法規定四分之一委員有提議我們就要開臨時會\n就是要先開臨時會然後再進到院會在協會期間如果總統有宣布戒嚴送這個案子來但是依照法律規定來我們必要就要開追認的會議那這樣聽起來感覺好像我們沒辦法像昨天那個南韓動作這麼快可能就要戒嚴一段時間聽起來緊急集會然後去通過一個解除戒嚴的道理瞭解我順便再問一個再一個問題請問一下那個現在韓院長有出訪計劃嗎\n你剛剛問那個是不是要問那個國際處是不是這個我比較不知道國際事務處是嗎\n有沒有接到什麼消息是韓院長要去美國參加慶賀團有嗎這部分我們還在等這個總統府跟立法院的外交部的通知所以都還沒有是不是目前還沒有那如果假設啦假設我問一下如果說韓院長是當這個慶賀團代表因為過去都是立法院院長嘛不知道這次是不是啦如果是韓院長的話那立法院會有多少人陪同\n這一部分可能到時候也要由我們這個社會機構外交部跟駐美代表處跟美方溝通邮場決定這個但這邊您這邊一定會接到通知嗎對不對然後到時候再派人嗎那目前是都還沒有接到通知\n好謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.638 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03:12.499\n就是本來開會的時候我要從我們的立法院這樣進行我們這個模擬一下因為昨天民進黨很肯定南韓戒嚴這個事我們是擔心說他們會不會比照辦理假設發生這個狀況依照我們憲法立法院是可以決議以請總統解嚴那假設我們要進行這樣的一個決議程序上是怎樣在意識上處理上是怎樣\n\n03:13.780 --> 03:35.166\n如果說依照戒嚴法如果說總統與巡視緊急時經過行政院陳請他宣告的戒嚴可是他必須在一個月內提交我們立法院的追認對對對追認但是我講的是戒嚴的狀況戒嚴是憲法規定的對立法院可以得以移情他說對對對那就是在那麼緊急的狀況那我們要怎麼去進行這個程序\n\n03:35.732 --> 03:53.709\n當然就是召集委員會之後有人提案然後立刻處理那就是還是要先爬進來嘛對不對如果一樣的狀況先集合開會嘛就是先大家先進到議場裡面嘛對先組法定人數然後會議是合法然後有人提案就處理這個那可以臨時召開嘛對不對\n\n03:54.710 --> 04:18.067\n召開的部分就是說我們因為現在那個是屬於特殊狀況對平常我們是正常都是二五在開院會沒錯那這種特殊狀況的話可能院長一定會請朝野黨團先來溝通然後再來看怎麼還要先溝通因為這個根據那個以前沒有發生過我看到每一次那個朝野協商都是大家就扯東扯西扯一些程序東西就會讓這個會議沒辦法進行\n\n04:19.668 --> 04:37.563\n那這麼緊急的情況之下還是有可能面臨這個狀況嗎就是扯東扯西然後院長召開朝野協商然後最後這個會開不成那開不成就沒有辦法做成解嚴的決議是這個意思這種是屬於憲政上重大的事情到時候如果聽取各黨團意見之後院長還是本於他\n\n04:39.624 --> 05:04.774\n他會去做相關的處理所以他可以聽完大家意見之後他可以決定說那我們現在開院會來決定是不是要通過這個解嚴的決議案然後移給總統是這個意思嗎如果是在會期中當然立法院就在運作對如果休會的話依照憲法規定他有所謂臨時會的問題他有臨時會的問題對對對那臨時會的問題要怎麼解臨時會依照憲法規定四分之一委員有提議我們就要開臨時會\n\n05:05.802 --> 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