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00:02:04,796\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n9\n00:02:24,614 --> 00:02:25,974\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n10\n00:02:49,202 --> 00:03:05,020\n對一個媒體主動詢問大學生的一個回應他站在他的國家的角度來看這件事情就像我們大學生站在我們國家的角度來看這件事情事實上我不曉得這個陸委會覺得不妥到底不妥在哪裡而且剛剛已經講過了這是媒體\n\n11\n00:03:07,242 --> 00:03:08,183\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n12\n00:03:33,096 --> 00:03:36,361\n委員是這樣我們對這個團因為他持續要安排媒體採訪我們有跟他告誡有哪些話會引起台灣內部社會的對立所以我剛剛跟主委一樣就是說\n\n13\n00:03:47,816 --> 00:03:49,297\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n14\n00:04:09,068 --> 00:04:11,489\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n15\n00:04:32,957 --> 00:04:49,025\n兩岸這幾天的交流可以看得出來大家彼此都非常的珍惜這次能夠來台灣交流的機會。包括我們台灣大學生也認為跟陸生交流是非常好的一個經驗。所以說這個部分的話我覺得應該要多多鼓勵而不是光一個吹毛求疵。我覺得該用這樣子的一個吹毛求疵不能拿少數一兩個人的評論\n\n16\n00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:56,930\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n17\n00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:42,305\n我覺得如果我們真的要堆疊兩岸的聲音希望兩岸能夠和平的交流這個部分我覺得陸委會不可以有既定的立場也不能因為執政黨給的壓力而你們就做出一個不符合真正大家是我們的全民所期待的一個方式如果真的希望兩岸的和諧的話不該說真的一方面要去挑釁人家一方面要說這個人家他們來到台灣的時候我們還用這樣的一個方式\n\n18\n00:05:43,803 --> 00:06:06,566\n希望我們主委能夠為兩岸交流能夠多盡一份努力另外再請教一下主委我們最近馬英九基金會邀請的陸生團來台的時候我們可以看到剛剛你也回答到陸生來台的研修生跟學衛生你可以看一下表目前研修生的人數大量的下滑\n\n19\n00:06:07,347 --> 00:06:11,209\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n20\n00:06:35,518 --> 00:06:40,600\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n21\n00:07:04,208 --> 00:07:27,864\n我們教育部主管機關有不斷的透過陸聯會跟對岸不斷的去溝通,對岸是還沒有回應。所以最主要的我們還是要呼籲,如果要真正做到剛剛所說的年輕人交流,最好的就是學生交流。\n\n22\n00:07:28,584 --> 00:07:29,485\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n23\n00:07:49,924 --> 00:08:09,015\n講一句話就有可能被扣上這樣的大帽子那你說陸生怎麼來談?所以我覺得兩岸真的要堆疊生意我覺得在這方面必須要約束我覺得要約束我們這個執政黨的這些這些不管是委員、小編一直用這樣的一個方式去抹黑我覺得這也不是辦法那另外想請教一下你陸委會有評估過陸生減少對台灣整體教育環境跟地方經濟的衝擊嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:16,521 --> 00:08:21,366\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n25\n00:08:41,325 --> 00:08:41,965\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n26\n00:08:58,411 --> 00:09:00,873\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n27\n00:09:27,849 --> 00:09:30,030\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n28\n00:09:52,863 --> 00:10:09,075\n海基會114年度的預算針對協處台商人身安全與兩岸經貿糾紛的費用編列了135萬,跟去年是一樣。針對兩岸人身安全與急難救助相關的業務編列99萬6千,比去年多了40萬。\n\n29\n00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:34,642\n那我們當然可以接受增加40萬的經費支出但是今年陸委會捐助給海基會補助給海基會的預算增加了7521萬那針對台商、台生的急難救助卻兩邊加起來增加40萬而其他的溝通管道幾乎都停滯是不是反映陸委會跟海基會在經費的配置上出現問題了\n\n30\n00:10:35,843 --> 00:10:54,395\n跟委員報告,我們在中國大陸財商提供救助的部分,因為我們是按照去年的額度,我們陸委會補助了120萬加上海基會自己自籌的135萬,如果有用完的額度的話,我們願意再提供經費。\n\n31\n00:10:55,796 --> 00:11:13,750\n這個部分我們也跟大陸臺商有承諾就是說我們的臺商如果在大陸需要急難救助我們希望透過臺商協會跟我們一起合作把需要的國人送回來希望我們陸委會這邊跟海基會這邊因為既然今年的預算增加7521萬那我們在臺這個大陸的臺商跟臺生事實上他們急難救助是最需要我們這個陸委會臺基會這邊來幫忙的那也希望針對這個部分\n\n32\n00:11:24,799 --> 00:11:26,600\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n33\n00:11:44,124 --> 00:11:45,284\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n34\n00:12:01,651 --> 00:12:02,191\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n35\n00:12:17,176 --> 00:12:17,956\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n36\n00:12:47,927 --> 00:12:51,151\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n37\n00:13:09,511 --> 00:13:11,112\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n38\n00:13:27,912 --> 00:13:29,334\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n39\n00:13:46,013 --> 00:14:10,706\n那剛剛有特別有講到了我們今年的預算才增加40萬喔所以針對這個部分我也覺得主委一定要好好的我們在其他科目的預算可以如果這邊有情緒的話那可能就拜託我們的主委針對這個部分一定你看8000多件如果只增加40萬的話完全沒有辦法處理當然不是這個因為還有其他的科目還有其他科目的話那可能因為我們現在查到的就是這樣好不好謝謝主委謝謝委員好接下來請黃建斌委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n171\t576\t邱主委\n5649\t30594\t許文豪邱主委好我想剛剛有幾位民進黨的委員都特別提到這個馬英九基金會邀請陸生來台的這個相關的事件我想當時這位這個陸生團的大學生提到說要向中國臺北隊在世界十二強賽中奪冠表示祝賀並稱希望大陸和臺灣同胞能一起為祖國在棒球領域一起努力\n31255\t32056\t四、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財\n48384\t66400\t剛馬龍也講過臺灣隊我們都大部分的國人也認為這個我們的棒球是臺灣隊頂多你說到中華臺北那你講到有矮化的這個中國臺北這是中國慣用矮化我們的用詞\n67461\t70422\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n87808\t93731\t基金會安排媒體但媒體要問什麼請問一下基金會會知道嗎就像媒體要問我們平常的問題請問一下陸委會有辦法叫它不要問嗎\n99392\t121610\t請問媒體會讓你這樣子嗎?我跟委員報告,據瞭解基金會每天都有安排。對,我的意思是說媒體要問什麼問題,請問你陸委會可以做到,要求媒體問什麼問題嗎?對,因為是基金會要切結,他有跟我們切結。可是我的意思是說,如果今天媒體不管平常對你陸委會的提問,你可以要求他你要問什麼不能問什麼嗎?\n123715\t124796\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n144614\t145974\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n169202\t185020\t對一個媒體主動詢問大學生的一個回應他站在他的國家的角度來看這件事情就像我們大學生站在我們國家的角度來看這件事情事實上我不曉得這個陸委會覺得不妥到底不妥在哪裡而且剛剛已經講過了這是媒體\n187242\t188183\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n213096\t216361\t委員是這樣我們對這個團因為他持續要安排媒體採訪我們有跟他告誡有哪些話會引起台灣內部社會的對立所以我剛剛跟主委一樣就是說\n227816\t229297\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n249068\t251489\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n272957\t289025\t兩岸這幾天的交流可以看得出來大家彼此都非常的珍惜這次能夠來台灣交流的機會。包括我們台灣大學生也認為跟陸生交流是非常好的一個經驗。所以說這個部分的話我覺得應該要多多鼓勵而不是光一個吹毛求疵。我覺得該用這樣子的一個吹毛求疵不能拿少數一兩個人的評論\n296430\t296930\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n314133\t342305\t我覺得如果我們真的要堆疊兩岸的聲音希望兩岸能夠和平的交流這個部分我覺得陸委會不可以有既定的立場也不能因為執政黨給的壓力而你們就做出一個不符合真正大家是我們的全民所期待的一個方式如果真的希望兩岸的和諧的話不該說真的一方面要去挑釁人家一方面要說這個人家他們來到台灣的時候我們還用這樣的一個方式\n343803\t366566\t希望我們主委能夠為兩岸交流能夠多盡一份努力另外再請教一下主委我們最近馬英九基金會邀請的陸生團來台的時候我們可以看到剛剛你也回答到陸生來台的研修生跟學衛生你可以看一下表目前研修生的人數大量的下滑\n367347\t371209\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n395518\t400600\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n424208\t447864\t我們教育部主管機關有不斷的透過陸聯會跟對岸不斷的去溝通,對岸是還沒有回應。所以最主要的我們還是要呼籲,如果要真正做到剛剛所說的年輕人交流,最好的就是學生交流。\n448584\t449485\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n469924\t489015\t講一句話就有可能被扣上這樣的大帽子那你說陸生怎麼來談?所以我覺得兩岸真的要堆疊生意我覺得在這方面必須要約束我覺得要約束我們這個執政黨的這些這些不管是委員、小編一直用這樣的一個方式去抹黑我覺得這也不是辦法那另外想請教一下你陸委會有評估過陸生減少對台灣整體教育環境跟地方經濟的衝擊嗎?\n496521\t501366\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n521325\t521965\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n538411\t540873\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n567849\t570030\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n592863\t609075\t海基會114年度的預算針對協處台商人身安全與兩岸經貿糾紛的費用編列了135萬,跟去年是一樣。針對兩岸人身安全與急難救助相關的業務編列99萬6千,比去年多了40萬。\n610700\t634642\t那我們當然可以接受增加40萬的經費支出但是今年陸委會捐助給海基會補助給海基會的預算增加了7521萬那針對台商、台生的急難救助卻兩邊加起來增加40萬而其他的溝通管道幾乎都停滯是不是反映陸委會跟海基會在經費的配置上出現問題了\n635843\t654395\t跟委員報告,我們在中國大陸財商提供救助的部分,因為我們是按照去年的額度,我們陸委會補助了120萬加上海基會自己自籌的135萬,如果有用完的額度的話,我們願意再提供經費。\n655796\t673750\t這個部分我們也跟大陸臺商有承諾就是說我們的臺商如果在大陸需要急難救助我們希望透過臺商協會跟我們一起合作把需要的國人送回來希望我們陸委會這邊跟海基會這邊因為既然今年的預算增加7521萬那我們在臺這個大陸的臺商跟臺生事實上他們急難救助是最需要我們這個陸委會臺基會這邊來幫忙的那也希望針對這個部分\n684799\t686600\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n704124\t705284\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n721651\t722191\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n737176\t737956\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會審查大陸委員會函送財\n767927\t771151\t二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n789511\t791112\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n807912\t809334\t三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n826013\t850706\t那剛剛有特別有講到了我們今年的預算才增加40萬喔所以針對這個部分我也覺得主委一定要好好的我們在其他科目的預算可以如果這邊有情緒的話那可能就拜託我們的主委針對這個部分一定你看8000多件如果只增加40萬的話完全沒有辦法處理當然不是這個因為還有其他的科目還有其他科目的話那可能因為我們現在查到的就是這樣好不好謝謝主委謝謝委員好接下來請黃建斌委員\n","txt":"邱主委\n許文豪邱主委好我想剛剛有幾位民進黨的委員都特別提到這個馬英九基金會邀請陸生來台的這個相關的事件我想當時這位這個陸生團的大學生提到說要向中國臺北隊在世界十二強賽中奪冠表示祝賀並稱希望大陸和臺灣同胞能一起為祖國在棒球領域一起努力\n四、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財\n剛馬龍也講過臺灣隊我們都大部分的國人也認為這個我們的棒球是臺灣隊頂多你說到中華臺北那你講到有矮化的這個中國臺北這是中國慣用矮化我們的用詞\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n基金會安排媒體但媒體要問什麼請問一下基金會會知道嗎就像媒體要問我們平常的問題請問一下陸委會有辦法叫它不要問嗎\n請問媒體會讓你這樣子嗎?我跟委員報告,據瞭解基金會每天都有安排。對,我的意思是說媒體要問什麼問題,請問你陸委會可以做到,要求媒體問什麼問題嗎?對,因為是基金會要切結,他有跟我們切結。可是我的意思是說,如果今天媒體不管平常對你陸委會的提問,你可以要求他你要問什麼不能問什麼嗎?\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n對一個媒體主動詢問大學生的一個回應他站在他的國家的角度來看這件事情就像我們大學生站在我們國家的角度來看這件事情事實上我不曉得這個陸委會覺得不妥到底不妥在哪裡而且剛剛已經講過了這是媒體\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n委員是這樣我們對這個團因為他持續要安排媒體採訪我們有跟他告誡有哪些話會引起台灣內部社會的對立所以我剛剛跟主委一樣就是說\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n兩岸這幾天的交流可以看得出來大家彼此都非常的珍惜這次能夠來台灣交流的機會。包括我們台灣大學生也認為跟陸生交流是非常好的一個經驗。所以說這個部分的話我覺得應該要多多鼓勵而不是光一個吹毛求疵。我覺得該用這樣子的一個吹毛求疵不能拿少數一兩個人的評論\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n我覺得如果我們真的要堆疊兩岸的聲音希望兩岸能夠和平的交流這個部分我覺得陸委會不可以有既定的立場也不能因為執政黨給的壓力而你們就做出一個不符合真正大家是我們的全民所期待的一個方式如果真的希望兩岸的和諧的話不該說真的一方面要去挑釁人家一方面要說這個人家他們來到台灣的時候我們還用這樣的一個方式\n希望我們主委能夠為兩岸交流能夠多盡一份努力另外再請教一下主委我們最近馬英九基金會邀請的陸生團來台的時候我們可以看到剛剛你也回答到陸生來台的研修生跟學衛生你可以看一下表目前研修生的人數大量的下滑\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n我們教育部主管機關有不斷的透過陸聯會跟對岸不斷的去溝通,對岸是還沒有回應。所以最主要的我們還是要呼籲,如果要真正做到剛剛所說的年輕人交流,最好的就是學生交流。\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n講一句話就有可能被扣上這樣的大帽子那你說陸生怎麼來談?所以我覺得兩岸真的要堆疊生意我覺得在這方面必須要約束我覺得要約束我們這個執政黨的這些這些不管是委員、小編一直用這樣的一個方式去抹黑我覺得這也不是辦法那另外想請教一下你陸委會有評估過陸生減少對台灣整體教育環境跟地方經濟的衝擊嗎?\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n海基會114年度的預算針對協處台商人身安全與兩岸經貿糾紛的費用編列了135萬,跟去年是一樣。針對兩岸人身安全與急難救助相關的業務編列99萬6千,比去年多了40萬。\n那我們當然可以接受增加40萬的經費支出但是今年陸委會捐助給海基會補助給海基會的預算增加了7521萬那針對台商、台生的急難救助卻兩邊加起來增加40萬而其他的溝通管道幾乎都停滯是不是反映陸委會跟海基會在經費的配置上出現問題了\n跟委員報告,我們在中國大陸財商提供救助的部分,因為我們是按照去年的額度,我們陸委會補助了120萬加上海基會自己自籌的135萬,如果有用完的額度的話,我們願意再提供經費。\n這個部分我們也跟大陸臺商有承諾就是說我們的臺商如果在大陸需要急難救助我們希望透過臺商協會跟我們一起合作把需要的國人送回來希望我們陸委會這邊跟海基會這邊因為既然今年的預算增加7521萬那我們在臺這個大陸的臺商跟臺生事實上他們急難救助是最需要我們這個陸委會臺基會這邊來幫忙的那也希望針對這個部分\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n那剛剛有特別有講到了我們今年的預算才增加40萬喔所以針對這個部分我也覺得主委一定要好好的我們在其他科目的預算可以如果這邊有情緒的話那可能就拜託我們的主委針對這個部分一定你看8000多件如果只增加40萬的話完全沒有辦法處理當然不是這個因為還有其他的科目還有其他科目的話那可能因為我們現在查到的就是這樣好不好謝謝主委謝謝委員好接下來請黃建斌委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.171 --> 00:00.576\n邱主委\n\n00:05.649 --> 00:30.594\n許文豪邱主委好我想剛剛有幾位民進黨的委員都特別提到這個馬英九基金會邀請陸生來台的這個相關的事件我想當時這位這個陸生團的大學生提到說要向中國臺北隊在世界十二強賽中奪冠表示祝賀並稱希望大陸和臺灣同胞能一起為祖國在棒球領域一起努力\n\n00:31.255 --> 00:32.056\n四、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n00:48.384 --> 01:06.400\n剛馬龍也講過臺灣隊我們都大部分的國人也認為這個我們的棒球是臺灣隊頂多你說到中華臺北那你講到有矮化的這個中國臺北這是中國慣用矮化我們的用詞\n\n01:07.461 --> 01:10.422\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n01:27.808 --> 01:33.731\n基金會安排媒體但媒體要問什麼請問一下基金會會知道嗎就像媒體要問我們平常的問題請問一下陸委會有辦法叫它不要問嗎\n\n01:39.392 --> 02:01.610\n請問媒體會讓你這樣子嗎?我跟委員報告,據瞭解基金會每天都有安排。對,我的意思是說媒體要問什麼問題,請問你陸委會可以做到,要求媒體問什麼問題嗎?對,因為是基金會要切結,他有跟我們切結。可是我的意思是說,如果今天媒體不管平常對你陸委會的提問,你可以要求他你要問什麼不能問什麼嗎?\n\n02:03.715 --> 02:04.796\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n02:24.614 --> 02:25.974\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n02:49.202 --> 03:05.020\n對一個媒體主動詢問大學生的一個回應他站在他的國家的角度來看這件事情就像我們大學生站在我們國家的角度來看這件事情事實上我不曉得這個陸委會覺得不妥到底不妥在哪裡而且剛剛已經講過了這是媒體\n\n03:07.242 --> 03:08.183\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n03:33.096 --> 03:36.361\n委員是這樣我們對這個團因為他持續要安排媒體採訪我們有跟他告誡有哪些話會引起台灣內部社會的對立所以我剛剛跟主委一樣就是說\n\n03:47.816 --> 03:49.297\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n04:09.068 --> 04:11.489\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n04:32.957 --> 04:49.025\n兩岸這幾天的交流可以看得出來大家彼此都非常的珍惜這次能夠來台灣交流的機會。包括我們台灣大學生也認為跟陸生交流是非常好的一個經驗。所以說這個部分的話我覺得應該要多多鼓勵而不是光一個吹毛求疵。我覺得該用這樣子的一個吹毛求疵不能拿少數一兩個人的評論\n\n04:56.430 --> 04:56.930\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n05:14.133 --> 05:42.305\n我覺得如果我們真的要堆疊兩岸的聲音希望兩岸能夠和平的交流這個部分我覺得陸委會不可以有既定的立場也不能因為執政黨給的壓力而你們就做出一個不符合真正大家是我們的全民所期待的一個方式如果真的希望兩岸的和諧的話不該說真的一方面要去挑釁人家一方面要說這個人家他們來到台灣的時候我們還用這樣的一個方式\n\n05:43.803 --> 06:06.566\n希望我們主委能夠為兩岸交流能夠多盡一份努力另外再請教一下主委我們最近馬英九基金會邀請的陸生團來台的時候我們可以看到剛剛你也回答到陸生來台的研修生跟學衛生你可以看一下表目前研修生的人數大量的下滑\n\n06:07.347 --> 06:11.209\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n06:35.518 --> 06:40.600\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n07:04.208 --> 07:27.864\n我們教育部主管機關有不斷的透過陸聯會跟對岸不斷的去溝通,對岸是還沒有回應。所以最主要的我們還是要呼籲,如果要真正做到剛剛所說的年輕人交流,最好的就是學生交流。\n\n07:28.584 --> 07:29.485\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n07:49.924 --> 08:09.015\n講一句話就有可能被扣上這樣的大帽子那你說陸生怎麼來談?所以我覺得兩岸真的要堆疊生意我覺得在這方面必須要約束我覺得要約束我們這個執政黨的這些這些不管是委員、小編一直用這樣的一個方式去抹黑我覺得這也不是辦法那另外想請教一下你陸委會有評估過陸生減少對台灣整體教育環境跟地方經濟的衝擊嗎?\n\n08:16.521 --> 08:21.366\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n08:41.325 --> 08:41.965\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n08:58.411 --> 09:00.873\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n09:27.849 --> 09:30.030\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n09:52.863 --> 10:09.075\n海基會114年度的預算針對協處台商人身安全與兩岸經貿糾紛的費用編列了135萬,跟去年是一樣。針對兩岸人身安全與急難救助相關的業務編列99萬6千,比去年多了40萬。\n\n10:10.700 --> 10:34.642\n那我們當然可以接受增加40萬的經費支出但是今年陸委會捐助給海基會補助給海基會的預算增加了7521萬那針對台商、台生的急難救助卻兩邊加起來增加40萬而其他的溝通管道幾乎都停滯是不是反映陸委會跟海基會在經費的配置上出現問題了\n\n10:35.843 --> 10:54.395\n跟委員報告,我們在中國大陸財商提供救助的部分,因為我們是按照去年的額度,我們陸委會補助了120萬加上海基會自己自籌的135萬,如果有用完的額度的話,我們願意再提供經費。\n\n10:55.796 --> 11:13.750\n這個部分我們也跟大陸臺商有承諾就是說我們的臺商如果在大陸需要急難救助我們希望透過臺商協會跟我們一起合作把需要的國人送回來希望我們陸委會這邊跟海基會這邊因為既然今年的預算增加7521萬那我們在臺這個大陸的臺商跟臺生事實上他們急難救助是最需要我們這個陸委會臺基會這邊來幫忙的那也希望針對這個部分\n\n11:24.799 --> 11:26.600\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n11:44.124 --> 11:45.284\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n12:01.651 --> 12:02.191\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n12:17.176 --> 12:17.956\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n12:47.927 --> 12:51.151\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n13:09.511 --> 13:11.112\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n13:27.912 --> 13:29.334\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n13:46.013 --> 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,["邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，據瞭解，基金會每天都有安排，我們……"],["許委員宇甄：對！我的意思是媒體要問什麼問題，請問陸委會可以做到要求媒體問什麼問題嗎？陸委會可以嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：對，因為是基金會要切結，它有跟我們切結……"],["許委員宇甄：不是，我的意思是如果今天媒體，不管是平常對陸委會的提問，你可以要求他們要問什麼、不能問什麼嗎？不可能嘛！"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們當然要尊重媒體的發問權。"],["許委員宇甄：對啊！在媒體自由的時代，他們要問什麼，你覺得馬英九基金會有辦法要求他們只能問這題，不能問那題嗎？你應該是要求媒體不要問這類的問題，而不是來要求馬英九基金會，而且我想對於來臺的陸生，「中國台北」是他們的慣用語，就像我們其實對外的名稱是「中華台北」，但我們的慣用語是「臺灣」，所以我們也都非常尊重。針對這個部分，其實他這段話有涉及政治性的言論跟宣傳嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：這個是他給我們的聲明、切結書，我們也希望他能夠按照這個切結書來落實。"],["許委員宇甄：對一個媒體主動詢問大學生的回應，他站在他的國家角度來看這件事情，就像我們大學生站在我們國家的角度來看這件事情，事實上我不曉得陸委會到底覺得不妥在哪裡？而且剛剛已經講過了，這是媒體……"],["邱主任委員垂正：不妥的原因就是我們臺灣社會不同立場的人有不同的爭論。"],["許委員宇甄：我們臺灣是強調言論自由的國家……"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們希望那個訪談在臺灣進行都沒有社會的爭論。"],["許委員宇甄：基本上，他來到臺灣之後，他有他國家的慣用語，我們當然就是尊重，至於這個部分，我不曉得到底為什麼這麼說，剛剛還有委員提到這是統戰團，請問一下現在來的統戰團，都是誰核准可以進來的？"],["邱主任委員垂正：委員，是這樣啦！我們對這個團，因為他們持續要安排媒體採訪，我們有跟他們告誡，哪些話會引起臺灣內部社會對立，如果他們刻意引發對立……"],["許委員宇甄：所以我剛剛有跟主委講，如果陸委會可以做到要求媒體問什麼問題的話，我相信馬英九基金會就可以做得到，不可能嘛！媒體要問什麼，我們不知道，就像有時候我們常常被媒體堵麥，他會問什麼問題，事實上我們也不清楚，我認為這件事情……"],["邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，我們對其他的團都要求「三不一低調」，就是不能讓媒體對外採訪，但是馬英九基金會就希望能夠比照去年的……"],["許委員宇甄：因為我們希望，陸委會口口聲聲說要堆疊善意跟兩岸交流……"],["邱主任委員垂正：對，是。"],["許委員宇甄：現在兩岸交流幾乎是停滯的狀態，陸委會口口聲聲說希望能夠堆疊善意，可是實際上就不是這樣啊！目前的話，針對這些大學生來跟我們交流……"],["邱主任委員垂正：但是引發臺灣社會的對立，這樣的交流方式不是很正常、健康。"],["許委員宇甄：事實上，從兩岸大學生這幾天的交流可以看得出來，大家彼此都非常地珍惜這次能夠來臺灣交流的機會，包括我們臺灣的大學生也認為跟陸生交流是非常好的經驗。"],["邱主任委員垂正：是、是！委員說得是。"],["許委員宇甄：所以對這個部分，我覺得應該要多多鼓勵，而不是在那邊吹毛求疵，我覺得不應該用這樣子的吹毛求疵……"],["邱主任委員垂正：當然也引發校園的不安，也有人去抗議，所以引發社會的抗議，我們不樂見。"],["許委員宇甄：你不能拿少數一、兩個人的言論來說引起大家的抗議，我覺得這樣真的非常不妥。"],["邱主任委員垂正：是、是。"],["許委員宇甄：這個部分剛剛一直提到要怎麼懲處或什麼的，我覺得不能未審先判，我們應該是要瞭解整個的狀況。"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們沒有，我們剛剛說了，我們會依照既有的行政程序來處理。"],["許委員宇甄：我覺得如果我們真的要堆疊兩岸的善意，希望兩岸能夠和平交流，在這個部分，我覺得陸委會不可以有既定的立場，也不能因為執政黨給的壓力，你們就做出不符合全民真正所期待的方式。如果真的希望兩岸和諧，說真的不應該一方面去挑釁人家，一方面又在他們來到臺灣的時候，我們還用這樣的一個方式，希望主委能夠為兩岸交流多盡一份努力。","另外，再請教一下主委，最近馬英九基金會邀請的陸生團來臺，我們可以看到，剛剛你也回答到，陸生來臺的研修生跟學位生，你可以看一下這張表，目前研修生的人數大量地下滑，學位生其實也是一樣。我看到您剛剛的報告裡面有說我們要增加讓陸生來臺的研修計畫，教育部現在也在研擬中，請問一下，針對陸生來臺，目前陸委會跟大陸溝通情況如何？"],["邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，就我們的政策，我們一向歡迎陸生來臺就讀，不管是學位生，還是研修生。從2020年4月，中國大陸就以疫情和政治的理由，不讓他們的學位生來臺，這已經4年了，所以學位生的數字一直在下降，現在大概只剩下一千多人，反而是研修生比較多。"],["許委員宇甄：我想請教，賴總統已經講了，希望大陸的陸生可以來臺就學，請問一下，目前你們跟大陸溝通的狀況如何？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們的主管機關教育部有不斷透過陸聯會跟對岸溝通。"],["許委員宇甄：那目前溝通的狀況怎麼樣？"],["邱主任委員垂正：目前對岸還沒有回應。"],["許委員宇甄：還沒有回應嘛！"],["邱主任委員垂正：最主要我們還是要呼籲，如果要真正做到剛剛所說的年輕人的交流，最好的就是學生交流……"],["許委員宇甄：學生來臺交流，他講的話、其實綜觀看起來，有什麼大問題嗎？沒有，但是我們卻一直吹毛求疵，給這個大學生加扣大帽子，那你覺得他們還敢來臺嗎？"],["邱主任委員垂正：不是給那位大學生，而是他引發了我們臺灣社會……"],["許委員宇甄：如果你是陸生的話，你敢來臺嗎？講一句話就有可能被扣上這樣的大帽子，那你說陸生怎麼來臺？我覺得兩岸真的要堆疊善意，這方面必須要約束執政黨，不管是委員或小編，他們一直都用這樣的方式去抹黑，我覺得這也不是辦法。","另外想要再請教一下，陸委會有評估過陸生減少對臺灣整體教育環境及地方經濟的衝擊嗎？以雲林環球科技大學為例，本來他們有很多來臺的陸生，可是這幾年陸生沒有來之後，現在環球科大也已經停止招生了，其實很多學校都面臨這樣的問題。既然我們覺得陸生來臺就學可以促進兩岸交流，可以讓我們的學生、不管是臺生或陸生都可以有好的溝通管道，那為什麼到目前為止這部分還是卡住？"],["邱主任委員垂正：我想卡住是在陸方，陸方也許有很多複雜的思考，不過，我們歡迎陸生來臺，不管是學位生或是研修生我們都歡迎。"],["許委員宇甄：主委，如果卡住的原因是在陸方的話，事實上，不管是陸委會或海基會，只要陸方卡住，我們就完全沒有作為的話，那事實上這2個單位也不必要存在了。因為只要陸方卡住，決定權就在陸方嗎？不是嘛！我覺得不管是邱主委或是海基會，其實你們都很願意兩岸溝通，但是我覺得要有正確的作法，如果我們在臺灣動不動就開始講：「你的言論不妥，應該要處分，應該要有相關的言行」，這樣兩岸的關係永遠都不會好，再麻煩一下主委。"],["邱主任委員垂正：當然，我們也不希望陸方有太多傷害臺灣人民情感的言論。"],["許委員宇甄：傷害臺灣人民情感？請問一下，這個部分你要不要做一個民調？針對這個部分，到底有多少人認為這是傷害臺灣人民的情感？還是只有少部分的人？我覺得這部分不能只是片面之詞。","另外，想請教一下。不好意思，主席，再給我2分鐘的時間。海基會114年度的預算，針對協處臺商人身安全與兩岸經貿糾紛的費用編列了135萬元，跟去年一樣。針對兩岸人身安全與急難救助相關業務，你們編列了99萬6,000元，比去年多了40萬元，我們當然可以接受增加40萬元的經費支出，但是今年陸委會補助給海基會的預算增加7,521萬元。針對臺商和臺生的急難救助，兩邊加起來只有增加40萬元，其他的溝通管道幾乎都停滯，這是不是反映陸委會和海基會在經費的配置上出現問題了？"],["邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，就在中國大陸的臺商急難救助這部分，因為我們是按照去年的額度補助120萬元，加上海基會自籌的135萬元，如果額度用完的話，我們願意再提供經費，這個部分我們已經有承諾大陸的臺商，如果臺商在大陸需要急難救助，我們希望臺商協會可以跟我們一起合作把需要的國人送回來。"],["許委員宇甄：希望陸委會和海基會，因為既然今年經費增加7,521萬元，那在大陸的臺商和臺生，事實上，他們的急難救助是最需要陸委會和海基會來幫忙的，也希望針對這個部分，請主委、董事長和秘書長針對臺商、臺生的急難救助預算再多做考量，要不然的話，我覺得這樣的經費配置是有問題的。","最後再請教一下，剛剛有提到，現在到大陸旅遊是列為橙色警戒，剛剛主委一直提到，希望能夠登錄中、港、澳的登錄系統。"],["邱主任委員垂正：動態登錄系統。"],["許委員宇甄：對，剛剛張智倫委員也有特別的提到，他用不同的姓名進行登錄，結果也登錄成功。當然，他是要測試這個系統的正確性與否，但是我們也不可否認有一種狀況，那就是我在登錄的時候，我可能登錄錯誤，自己卻沒有察覺到。也就是說，我覺得自己登錄了，但是當我在大陸有需要的時候，事實上有可能我們這邊完全沒有資料，所以顯見這個登錄系統有非常大的問題，所以目前只有5%的人登錄，甚至急難救助連一件申請案都沒有。針對這個部分，請問主委要怎麼處理？"],["邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，我們急難救助的數量還是非常龐大，就以去年為例，我們還是有四千多件。至於港澳這部分的急難救助量更多，有4,834件。總的一點，就剛剛講的那個登錄系統，那是我們要幫忙國人，我們有他的電話就可以直接提供他服務。"],["許委員宇甄：對，我現在講的是如果我不小心登錄錯誤的話。"],["邱主任委員垂正：登錄率或是優化的部分，我們除了不斷優化之外，我們也有請專人，任何人都可以打電話給我們，我們最近也公布了3支電話，包括港、澳和中國大陸，我們海基會和陸委會都會一起來服務國人。"],["許委員宇甄：針對這部分的優化，請問什麼時候？否則大家都去登錄，結果登錄了也沒用，大概要多久的時間才能完成優化？"],["邱主任委員垂正：現在就很優化了，而且現在還有專人服務。"],["許委員宇甄：張智倫委員才剛剛登錄耶！"],["邱主任委員垂正：是，這個我們會馬上處理。"],["許委員宇甄：我覺得這有很大的問題，剛剛你也特別講到，我們有非常多件的急難救助，加起來應該算是八千多件。"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們來努力。"],["許委員宇甄：剛剛有特別講到，我們今年的預算才增加40萬元，所以針對這個部分，我覺得主委一定要好好的來分配經費。"],["邱主任委員垂正：我們還有其他科目的預算，如果這邊有急需的話。"],["許委員宇甄：好，拜託主委！針對這個部分，如果八千多件只增加40萬元，那這完全沒有辦法處理。"],["邱主任委員垂正：當然不是只有這個，我們還有其他的科目。"],["許委員宇甄：如果還有其他科目的話，那可能……因為我們現在查到的就是這樣，好不好？"],["邱主任委員垂正：好，謝謝。"],["許委員宇甄：謝謝主委。"],["邱主任委員垂正：謝謝委員。"],["主席：接下來請黃建賓委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":248,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-13","speakers":["徐欣瑩","張宏陸","麥玉珍","牛煦庭","王美惠","李柏毅","張智倫","黃捷","蘇巧慧","許宇甄","黃建賓","賴士葆","吳琪銘","丁學忠","王義川","葉元之","黃國昌","羅智強","沈伯洋","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算；三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法\n人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案；四、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進\n會114年度預算書案【所列預算案僅詢答，另定期處理】","agenda_id":"11311101_00001"}}}