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00:00:48,084\n展覽的話當然最主要就是說如果現場的展覽的話是呈現故宮博物院現場的精華那現場的精華的話基本上它其實有一些條件的限制很多人就說為什麼你不一次把故宮所有的精品通通出來因為有一些現場的文物有一些策展的概念\n\n3\n00:00:49,181 --> 00:00:49,201\n獲得獎項獎項\n\n4\n00:01:09,192 --> 00:01:10,093\n我們希望可以成為全民的故宮、世界的故宮\n\n5\n00:01:27,364 --> 00:01:50,508\n我想了解因為這個要展示我們的武力展示的話那有一個非常重要的重點那就是我們到底要如何讓所有人回到你剛講的全民的故宮、世界的故宮所以我今天的論述今天的質詢就會在這個論點上面來跟院長做一些討論那最主要就是說我們的全民故宮我今天要達到這個目的我們的方法跟策略是什麼雙平展示就能夠達到全民的故宮嗎\n\n6\n00:01:58,315 --> 00:02:14,648\n當然這是一步一步努力的目標,不可能憑任何一個單項的業務。對,所以我說您的策略是什麼?因為我們喊到這樣子的目標,那從這個院長的展示是一個,那我們重要的策略是什麼呢?\n\n7\n00:02:15,228 --> 00:02:16,991\n預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n8\n00:02:30,230 --> 00:02:35,072\n二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n\n9\n00:03:00,383 --> 00:03:04,764\n三、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算三、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算\n\n10\n00:03:23,430 --> 00:03:52,555\n我想問一個問題喔就是說因為我自己在英國我寫的論文就是寫觀光行銷台灣的觀光行銷怎麼做那當然其實博物館行銷也是一個非常重要的重點那它其實是一種叫做integrablemarketing這件事情呢它就是無形的東西我們要如何做行銷我想這個國外有我想台灣也有非常多的專業跟學者我覺得是不是應該要啟動一個調查研究啊研究到底為什麼我們的人數一直無法回升是廣告沒下隊呢還是TA沒抓精準呢你的策\n\n11\n00:03:53,055 --> 00:03:55,738\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮\n\n12\n00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:35,420\nOK,好,那我們試著來啟動一個所謂的調查看看能不能幫故宮針灸就是為什麼觀眾不能回流的原因對,因為我想重點還是要找出問題嘛對症下藥,下藥他才有可能幫助我們達到我們當年的水準啦那再來就是在下一個點喔我也想要針對就是百年故宮展裡面其實呢只有一個展是針對於孩子的就是2025的夏日親子藝術月而已\n\n13\n00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:59,245\n那我想回到一個更重要的重點就是說我一直在質詢我們北院的親子的兒少人數進場次是少的那代表是說如果我們沒有在現在去recruit這個年紀的人去招募這個年紀的人進來故宮的話未來他到底會不會進故宮是一個大問號所以我們是不是應該要來著重這個部分來去努力可是呢我也發現喔\n\n14\n00:05:01,465 --> 00:05:15,166\n在我們的人次上面我們在這個現在百萬學子由故宮故宮由一時的經費和人數我們都是大幅下降的喔都是大幅下降可是我發現一個很奇怪的點我也想請教院長在我們112年我們總共\n\n15\n00:05:17,569 --> 00:05:18,670\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管主管\n\n16\n00:05:36,268 --> 00:05:49,327\n這個可能要更詳細的資料可以去了解可是因為這個東西跟入城的遠近跟偏鄉如果要到故宮的話當然相對的成本就會比較多所以這個部分我們要進度的了解一下\n\n17\n00:05:51,650 --> 00:06:17,867\n這就是為什麼說我們必須要更精準的去看我們現有的這些數字上去了解原因因為我看到你們直接在113年直接大幅砍了跟11年相比砍了51%對半砍了這個經費如果我們今天要招募讓世界的故宮全民的故宮的話我看這些所作所為好像都沒有達到我們想要達到的目的因為我們一直沒有針對親子兒少的族群來做相對的一些方案\n\n18\n00:06:19,748 --> 00:06:38,539\n跟委員報告我比較關心的就是整體的服務人數有沒有減少因為如果經費的減少是因為我們本預算的減少但是因為我們從外面募集的經費資源比較多那基本上來講如果可以讓他的人數上升然後我們本預算減少其實不是壞事\n\n19\n00:06:38,979 --> 00:07:06,193\n當然啦!如果你預算減少人數上升當然非常好表示你精準嘛!你非常精準嘛!可是你現在就是預算增加人效素減少嘛!那是不是有問題?這個是麻煩您做一些研究調查那是不是可以在一個月給我一個提供調查報告好不好?我們來了解啦!對症下藥啦!那再來就是說我也希望如果我們了解出來我們是不是可以針對我們的兒少的方案有更精進的規劃呢?因為兒少人次就是一直在下降嘛!\n\n20\n00:07:07,469 --> 00:07:11,392\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n21\n00:07:32,066 --> 00:07:38,829\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n22\n00:07:59,821 --> 00:08:19,936\n我們的願慶和新故宮目前是在114年的預算書中願慶多項的預算都編列在新故宮計畫之下那這個現在是有3325萬但是在111年公開的新故宮計畫裡面卻沒有任何關於願慶的說明那您的回覆是說\n\n23\n00:08:20,797 --> 00:08:42,830\n因為是根據行政院所屬各機關中長程個案計劃編審要點來編列的可是要點中其實也有說明要變更主要工作項目需要修正原計劃等於就是說你要在新故宮計劃裡面編列願慶經費的話你是需要做變更計劃的可是我在資料裡面只找得到111年的計劃書裡面沒有願慶計劃\n\n24\n00:08:46,352 --> 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有請院長蕭院長請張委員早好 院長好 我想請問一下我們在114年的院慶總共有25項展覽活動那我想做一個展認對他的中心思想所以可不可以請院長簡單的告訴我你們這次的策展的中心思想是什麼\n展覽的話當然最主要就是說如果現場的展覽的話是呈現故宮博物院現場的精華那現場的精華的話基本上它其實有一些條件的限制很多人就說為什麼你不一次把故宮所有的精品通通出來因為有一些現場的文物有一些策展的概念\n獲得獎項獎項\n我們希望可以成為全民的故宮、世界的故宮\n我想了解因為這個要展示我們的武力展示的話那有一個非常重要的重點那就是我們到底要如何讓所有人回到你剛講的全民的故宮、世界的故宮所以我今天的論述今天的質詢就會在這個論點上面來跟院長做一些討論那最主要就是說我們的全民故宮我今天要達到這個目的我們的方法跟策略是什麼雙平展示就能夠達到全民的故宮嗎\n當然這是一步一步努力的目標,不可能憑任何一個單項的業務。對,所以我說您的策略是什麼?因為我們喊到這樣子的目標,那從這個院長的展示是一個,那我們重要的策略是什麼呢?\n預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案二、處理或審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案\n三、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算三、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算\n我想問一個問題喔就是說因為我自己在英國我寫的論文就是寫觀光行銷台灣的觀光行銷怎麼做那當然其實博物館行銷也是一個非常重要的重點那它其實是一種叫做integrable marketing這件事情呢它就是無形的東西我們要如何做行銷我想這個國外有我想台灣也有非常多的專業跟學者我覺得是不是應該要啟動一個調查研究啊研究到底為什麼我們的人數一直無法回升是廣告沒下隊呢還是TA沒抓精準呢你的策\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮\nOK,好,那我們試著來啟動一個所謂的調查看看能不能幫故宮針灸就是為什麼觀眾不能回流的原因對,因為我想重點還是要找出問題嘛對症下藥,下藥他才有可能幫助我們達到我們當年的水準啦那再來就是在下一個點喔我也想要針對就是百年故宮展裡面其實呢只有一個展是針對於孩子的就是2025的夏日親子藝術月而已\n那我想回到一個更重要的重點就是說我一直在質詢我們北院的親子的兒少人數進場次是少的那代表是說如果我們沒有在現在去recruit這個年紀的人去招募這個年紀的人進來故宮的話未來他到底會不會進故宮是一個大問號所以我們是不是應該要來著重這個部分來去努力可是呢我也發現喔\n在我們的人次上面我們在這個現在百萬學子由故宮故宮由一時的經費和人數我們都是大幅下降的喔都是大幅下降可是我發現一個很奇怪的點我也想請教院長在我們112年我們總共\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管主管\n這個可能要更詳細的資料可以去了解可是因為這個東西跟入城的遠近跟偏鄉如果要到故宮的話當然相對的成本就會比較多所以這個部分我們要進度的了解一下\n這就是為什麼說我們必須要更精準的去看我們現有的這些數字上去了解原因因為我看到你們直接在113年直接大幅砍了跟11年相比砍了51%對半砍了這個經費如果我們今天要招募讓世界的故宮全民的故宮的話我看這些所作所為好像都沒有達到我們想要達到的目的因為我們一直沒有針對親子兒少的族群來做相對的一些方案\n跟委員報告我比較關心的就是整體的服務人數有沒有減少因為如果經費的減少是因為我們本預算的減少但是因為我們從外面募集的經費資源比較多那基本上來講如果可以讓他的人數上升然後我們本預算減少其實不是壞事\n當然啦!如果你預算減少人數上升當然非常好表示你精準嘛!你非常精準嘛!可是你現在就是預算增加人效素減少嘛!那是不是有問題?這個是麻煩您做一些研究調查那是不是可以在一個月給我一個提供調查報告好不好?我們來了解啦!對症下藥啦!那再來就是說我也希望如果我們了解出來我們是不是可以針對我們的兒少的方案有更精進的規劃呢?因為兒少人次就是一直在下降嘛!\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管審查114年度中央政府總預算\n我們的願慶和新故宮目前是在114年的預算書中願慶多項的預算都編列在新故宮計畫之下那這個現在是有3325萬但是在111年公開的新故宮計畫裡面卻沒有任何關於願慶的說明那您的回覆是說\n因為是根據行政院所屬各機關中長程個案計劃編審要點來編列的可是要點中其實也有說明要變更主要工作項目需要修正原計劃等於就是說你要在新故宮計劃裡面編列願慶經費的話你是需要做變更計劃的可是我在資料裡面只找得到111年的計劃書裡面沒有願慶計劃\n跟我們報告新故宮計劃裡面並沒有宴慶的那個活動軟體展覽經會沒有嗎?對那個是我們跟那個主計總助理可是在你們114年的預算書你3325萬都編列在新故宮計劃那是這個是這個應該這樣講就是說原來的原來我這樣講就是說沒有百年宴慶的話故宮基本上來講它每一個展覽是每一個檔期都還是有展覽\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n好沒關係因為這樣聽我其實不是很了解啦我們會後好不好約個時間來做針對這個部分做說明可以嗎?是可以\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.911 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06:17.867\n這就是為什麼說我們必須要更精準的去看我們現有的這些數字上去了解原因因為我看到你們直接在113年直接大幅砍了跟11年相比砍了51%對半砍了這個經費如果我們今天要招募讓世界的故宮全民的故宮的話我看這些所作所為好像都沒有達到我們想要達到的目的因為我們一直沒有針對親子兒少的族群來做相對的一些方案\n\n06:19.748 --> 06:38.539\n跟委員報告我比較關心的就是整體的服務人數有沒有減少因為如果經費的減少是因為我們本預算的減少但是因為我們從外面募集的經費資源比較多那基本上來講如果可以讓他的人數上升然後我們本預算減少其實不是壞事\n\n06:38.979 --> 07:06.193\n當然啦!如果你預算減少人數上升當然非常好表示你精準嘛!你非常精準嘛!可是你現在就是預算增加人效素減少嘛!那是不是有問題?這個是麻煩您做一些研究調查那是不是可以在一個月給我一個提供調查報告好不好?我們來了解啦!對症下藥啦!那再來就是說我也希望如果我們了解出來我們是不是可以針對我們的兒少的方案有更精進的規劃呢?因為兒少人次就是一直在下降嘛!\n\n07:07.469 --> 07:11.392\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮博物院主管\n\n07:32.066 --> 07:38.829\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管審查114年度中央政府總預算\n\n07:59.821 --> 08:19.936\n我們的願慶和新故宮目前是在114年的預算書中願慶多項的預算都編列在新故宮計畫之下那這個現在是有3325萬但是在111年公開的新故宮計畫裡面卻沒有任何關於願慶的說明那您的回覆是說\n\n08:20.797 --> 08:42.830\n因為是根據行政院所屬各機關中長程個案計劃編審要點來編列的可是要點中其實也有說明要變更主要工作項目需要修正原計劃等於就是說你要在新故宮計劃裡面編列願慶經費的話你是需要做變更計劃的可是我在資料裡面只找得到111年的計劃書裡面沒有願慶計劃\n\n08:46.352 --> 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