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00:00:56,203\n所以我們昨晚經歷了首爾驚心動魄6小時我想不只韓國民眾連台灣的民眾都很關注因為區域的情勢是牽一把棟全身那剛好在這個時候我們的總統跟外交部長都不在國內我想請教主委你有沒有及時掌握相關區域的情勢動態跟總統做回報然後以及我們總統有沒有做任何的指示\n\n3\n00:00:58,140 --> 00:01:17,013\n跟委員報告我們事情發生我想所有國安團隊都非常密注相關情勢的發展也做好各種應變的準備我覺得我們的國安團隊對各種的危機狀況都有很好的處理\n\n4\n00:01:18,234 --> 00:01:40,718\n本席這邊要再提醒因為區域情勢動盪的時候我們政府一定要及時的掌握正確的情勢而且要適時的跟人民報告穩定民心的安定接下來本席就要就陸委會海基會的業務報告還有審查預算來請教主委請教主委目前在我們賴清德總統的執政底下\n\n5\n00:01:41,218 --> 00:02:07,291\n我們政府的陸委會跟海基會最主要的核心業務還有分工是什麼?請主委簡單的回答。是,我們陸委會就是就兩岸政策上的研議的實施,我們層上起下協調各部會,層上當然我們有行政院還有國安會,乃至於對總統負責,那協調各部會,因為陸委會的人少,我們相關的主管機關,\n\n6\n00:02:08,171 --> 00:02:09,992\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n7\n00:02:34,782 --> 00:03:02,057\n簡單地說我們陸委會就是針對大陸政策的規劃跟執行嘛那海基會是主要是以半官方就是類似我們民間團體的這個性質來進行兩岸的交流嘛對不對是這樣子沒錯吧那不過其實目前我們從陸委會跟海基會都在發言的性質來看好像幾乎都一致齁就是不斷輪流的開記者會跟發新聞稿那我幾乎看不到有什麼實質的交流的座位啦齁\n\n8\n00:03:02,777 --> 00:03:03,880\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n9\n00:03:11,872 --> 00:03:21,720\n我想在114年的預算裡面我們可以看到我們陸委會捐助海基會辦理兩岸仲介事務經費是2億5957萬那我們相較於113年度是1億8435萬增加了7521萬增加幅度高達4成\n\n10\n00:03:33,427 --> 00:03:46,671\n那根據海基會的說明吼,咱主要是要把你這個補助是,第一個是補助要改善我們的財政,財務的結構。對,政府補助案增加,從57%到70%,所以實際上海基會的預算是增加4000多萬,不是7000多萬。\n\n11\n00:03:51,232 --> 00:04:17,609\n另外還有包括我們人事費嘛還有擴大辦理、台商、子女、夏令營然後增加大陸政經社會情勢掌握那不解釋他一解釋我就覺得怪怪的我們不用預算這麼多的納稅錢這錢不是拿來做交流是在做這些事情海基會的任務三大任務協商、交流、服務交流是其中一項那個我跟主委跟民主黨\n\n12\n00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:43,426\n提醒我們海基會的全名叫做財團法人海峽交流基金會交流的工作絕對是海基會的重中之重但是我們從目前海基會看到的一些作為跟陸委會好像都差不多本席這邊要提出兩點我想要請陸委會跟海基會要負起責任因為作為大陸政策還有兩岸交流的單位\n\n13\n00:04:44,326 --> 00:05:05,581\n你必須要衝盡一切的努力確保人民跟產業的權益第一點就是我們的觀光的部分我想疫情解封快兩年了我們兩岸的觀光其實一直很難回溫旅館公會跟全民會上個禮拜也才到我們交通部觀光署來提交陳情書理事長來說我們觀光我們全台灣超過4000家以上的\n\n14\n00:05:12,726 --> 00:05:22,550\n關關旅遊業者、遊覽車業者、超過36,000名的導遊。因為兩岸觀光的停滯,波及到的觀光產業人口可謂超過200萬。\n\n15\n00:05:24,195 --> 00:05:25,896\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n16\n00:05:44,904 --> 00:05:46,465\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n17\n00:06:10,060 --> 00:06:12,603\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n18\n00:06:31,263 --> 00:06:43,260\n雖然我們現在兩岸的交流我們去大陸剛剛委員提到我們已經去了230萬那他才來32萬那個比重是我們去多他來多少我們去7.2他才來1所以已經蠻這個\n\n19\n00:06:47,485 --> 00:06:49,486\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n20\n00:07:15,419 --> 00:07:16,780\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n21\n00:07:44,802 --> 00:07:47,003\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n22\n00:08:03,269 --> 00:08:06,530\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n23\n00:08:33,138 --> 00:08:35,619\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n24\n00:08:54,790 --> 00:09:22,846\n作物的成長不會因為兩岸交流停滯而停滯它會繼續的成長那農民的生活也要必須前進這點我真的要拜託注意我想最後本席還是要深入提醒我們陸委會跟海基會我們兩個單位最主要的工作就是要促進兩岸的交流不管是在產業、經濟任何相關的方面那我們也明白在現在賴清德總統執政的情況下很多事情\n\n25\n00:09:23,766 --> 00:09:27,627\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n26\n00:09:47,734 --> 00:09:53,744\n跟委員報告,總統也宣示對等尊嚴、健康有序的交流對話,承諾不變,我們會努力。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4267\t28849\t黃委員好 主委好 剛剛聽了很多 我想很多衝突都來自於對彼此的不了解那我想事實的 總是事情在不斷的溝通的過程裡面會讓我們更加進來一步所以台灣愛有主心 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像\n所以我們昨晚經歷了首爾驚心動魄6小時我想不只韓國民眾連台灣的民眾都很關注因為區域的情勢是牽一把棟全身那剛好在這個時候我們的總統跟外交部長都不在國內我想請教主委你有沒有及時掌握相關區域的情勢動態跟總統做回報然後以及我們總統有沒有做任何的指示\n跟委員報告我們事情發生我想所有國安團隊都非常密注相關情勢的發展也做好各種應變的準備我覺得我們的國安團隊對各種的危機狀況都有很好的處理\n本席這邊要再提醒因為區域情勢動盪的時候我們政府一定要及時的掌握正確的情勢而且要適時的跟人民報告穩定民心的安定接下來本席就要就陸委會海基會的業務報告還有審查預算來請教主委請教主委目前在我們賴清德總統的執政底下\n我們政府的陸委會跟海基會最主要的核心業務還有分工是什麼?請主委簡單的回答。是,我們陸委會就是就兩岸政策上的研議的實施,我們層上起下協調各部會,層上當然我們有行政院還有國安會,乃至於對總統負責,那協調各部會,因為陸委會的人少,我們相關的主管機關,\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n簡單地說我們陸委會就是針對大陸政策的規劃跟執行嘛那海基會是主要是以半官方就是類似我們民間團體的這個性質來進行兩岸的交流嘛對不對是這樣子沒錯吧那不過其實目前我們從陸委會跟海基會都在發言的性質來看好像幾乎都一致齁就是不斷輪流的開記者會跟發新聞稿那我幾乎看不到有什麼實質的交流的座位啦齁\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n我想在114年的預算裡面我們可以看到我們陸委會捐助海基會辦理兩岸仲介事務經費是2億5957萬那我們相較於113年度是1億8435萬增加了7521萬增加幅度高達4成\n那根據海基會的說明吼,咱主要是要把你這個補助是,第一個是補助要改善我們的財政,財務的結構。對,政府補助案增加,從57%到70%,所以實際上海基會的預算是增加4000多萬,不是7000多萬。\n另外還有包括我們人事費嘛還有擴大辦理、台商、子女、夏令營然後增加大陸政經社會情勢掌握那不解釋他一解釋我就覺得怪怪的我們不用預算這麼多的納稅錢這錢不是拿來做交流是在做這些事情海基會的任務三大任務協商、交流、服務交流是其中一項那個我跟主委跟民主黨\n提醒我們海基會的全名叫做財團法人海峽交流基金會交流的工作絕對是海基會的重中之重但是我們從目前海基會看到的一些作為跟陸委會好像都差不多本席這邊要提出兩點我想要請陸委會跟海基會要負起責任因為作為大陸政策還有兩岸交流的單位\n你必須要衝盡一切的努力確保人民跟產業的權益第一點就是我們的觀光的部分我想疫情解封快兩年了我們兩岸的觀光其實一直很難回溫旅館公會跟全民會上個禮拜也才到我們交通部觀光署來提交陳情書理事長來說我們觀光我們全台灣超過4000家以上的\n關關旅遊業者、遊覽車業者、超過36,000名的導遊。因為兩岸觀光的停滯,波及到的觀光產業人口可謂超過200萬。\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n雖然我們現在兩岸的交流我們去大陸剛剛委員提到我們已經去了230萬那他才來32萬那個比重是我們去多他來多少我們去7.2他才來1所以已經蠻這個\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n作物的成長不會因為兩岸交流停滯而停滯它會繼續的成長那農民的生活也要必須前進這點我真的要拜託注意我想最後本席還是要深入提醒我們陸委會跟海基會我們兩個單位最主要的工作就是要促進兩岸的交流不管是在產業、經濟任何相關的方面那我們也明白在現在賴清德總統執政的情況下很多事情\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n跟委員報告,總統也宣示對等尊嚴、健康有序的交流對話,承諾不變,我們會努力。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.267 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03:21.720\n我想在114年的預算裡面我們可以看到我們陸委會捐助海基會辦理兩岸仲介事務經費是2億5957萬那我們相較於113年度是1億8435萬增加了7521萬增加幅度高達4成\n\n03:33.427 --> 03:46.671\n那根據海基會的說明吼,咱主要是要把你這個補助是,第一個是補助要改善我們的財政,財務的結構。對,政府補助案增加,從57%到70%,所以實際上海基會的預算是增加4000多萬,不是7000多萬。\n\n03:51.232 --> 04:17.609\n另外還有包括我們人事費嘛還有擴大辦理、台商、子女、夏令營然後增加大陸政經社會情勢掌握那不解釋他一解釋我就覺得怪怪的我們不用預算這麼多的納稅錢這錢不是拿來做交流是在做這些事情海基會的任務三大任務協商、交流、服務交流是其中一項那個我跟主委跟民主黨\n\n04:18.690 --> 04:43.426\n提醒我們海基會的全名叫做財團法人海峽交流基金會交流的工作絕對是海基會的重中之重但是我們從目前海基會看到的一些作為跟陸委會好像都差不多本席這邊要提出兩點我想要請陸委會跟海基會要負起責任因為作為大陸政策還有兩岸交流的單位\n\n04:44.326 --> 05:05.581\n你必須要衝盡一切的努力確保人民跟產業的權益第一點就是我們的觀光的部分我想疫情解封快兩年了我們兩岸的觀光其實一直很難回溫旅館公會跟全民會上個禮拜也才到我們交通部觀光署來提交陳情書理事長來說我們觀光我們全台灣超過4000家以上的\n\n05:12.726 --> 05:22.550\n關關旅遊業者、遊覽車業者、超過36,000名的導遊。因為兩岸觀光的停滯,波及到的觀光產業人口可謂超過200萬。\n\n05:24.195 --> 05:25.896\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n05:44.904 --> 05:46.465\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n06:10.060 --> 06:12.603\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n06:31.263 --> 06:43.260\n雖然我們現在兩岸的交流我們去大陸剛剛委員提到我們已經去了230萬那他才來32萬那個比重是我們去多他來多少我們去7.2他才來1所以已經蠻這個\n\n06:47.485 --> 06:49.486\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n07:15.419 --> 07:16.780\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n07:44.802 --> 07:47.003\n三、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n08:03.269 --> 08:06.530\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n08:33.138 --> 08:35.619\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n08:54.790 --> 09:22.846\n作物的成長不會因為兩岸交流停滯而停滯它會繼續的成長那農民的生活也要必須前進這點我真的要拜託注意我想最後本席還是要深入提醒我們陸委會跟海基會我們兩個單位最主要的工作就是要促進兩岸的交流不管是在產業、經濟任何相關的方面那我們也明白在現在賴清德總統執政的情況下很多事情\n\n09:23.766 --> 09:27.627\n二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財\n\n09:47.734 --> 09:53.744\n跟委員報告,總統也宣示對等尊嚴、健康有序的交流對話,承諾不變,我們會努力。\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.267,"end":28.849,"text":"黃委員好 主委好 剛剛聽了很多 我想很多衝突都來自於對彼此的不了解那我想事實的 總是事情在不斷的溝通的過程裡面會讓我們更加進來一步所以台灣愛有主心 我相信台灣有很多是大陸學生也很羨慕的制度好 那主委我想先跟你請教 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