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。因此，我在想這個說明是不是需要再更仔細一點，故宮要不要針對這個部分說明一下？"],["蕭院長宗煌：基本上，故宮博物院的預算是延續性的預算，因為政府的預算就是一塊大餅，如果總預算分配的比例減少，自然而然會壓縮到國發會……"],["主席：院長，這個當然是，這個是基礎，好不好？預算的精神、基礎。"],["蕭院長宗煌：是。"],["主席：我現在的意思是解凍要有充分足夠的理由，像剛剛上面的兩案，大家就都沒有意見，但是關於新故宮計畫這件事情，你看，今天質詢的委員對於新故宮計畫有這麼多的意見與不了解的地方，我認為是不是應該要再說明，才能夠解凍這筆2,000萬元？"],["蕭院長宗煌：報告委員，我們新故宮計畫的執行率，一般來講，都會超過九五成，其實有時候是預算運用的問題，像今年南院的廠商就要我們依照原先的規劃預撥經費，我們預撥經費的話，就不夠，不夠的話，有時候就會技術上拖到明年，如果有這個經費，當然我們就……"],["主席：院長，你說不夠的部分是不夠多少錢？"],["蕭院長宗煌：二億多。"],["主席：二億多？"],["蕭院長宗煌：對。"],["主席：與這個凍結案有什麼關係？"],["蕭院長宗煌：這是預付款。"],["主席：我自己是這樣建議，終究我們是支持故宮的，而且故宮整體預算也不是很多，但是我覺得錢還是要花在刀口上，如果我們今天要處理這個解凍案，但是這麼多委員對於新故宮計畫還是有這麼多意見，我認為故宮是不是需要再更詳細說明，我們要不要擇期再來處理？院長？兩位委員？"],["蕭院長宗煌：因為2,000萬元的數目不多，基本上，解凍之後這個經費還是會回到新故宮計畫，我們並不會將它運用到其他地方，因為它是公共工程的預算，我們是不是可以再補充書面資料，然後就先行解凍？"],["林委員宜瑾：既然院長都已經這樣講了，是不是就容院長再提一些書面資料，我們就先解凍？因為我們還要審預算，如果他提的書面資料真的還讓我們很不滿意的話，其實我們可以在審預算時再來處理，對不對？"],["主席：好，這樣好不好？其實剛剛沛憶委員提到的那個應該就是明年的預算，而且剛剛宜瑾講得很好，因為我們還要審預算，如果今天這個解凍案准予動支的話，我想是不是能夠請故宮就今天我們這麼多的委員只要有提到新故宮計畫相關疑問跟建議的，是不是3日內請你們回復各委員辦公室？為什麼我只給3天？事實上你們今天來這裡答詢就應該要答得出來了，但是今天可能還有一些沒有準備地很周全或是所問題目的資料，你們還沒有辦法準備起來，所以能不能3天內就今天所有委員有問到新故宮計畫，你們都詳實地給予回答？有關今天這個2,000萬的解凍，本席就沒有意見，這樣好不好？院長可以嗎？"],["蕭院長宗煌：遵照辦理。"],["主席：好，這樣子這個新故宮計畫2,000萬的解凍案，我們就准予動支，也提報院會。","解凍案處理完畢了，現在我們繼續質詢。","接下來，鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員不在。","麥玉珍、麥玉珍，麥玉珍不在。","張嘉郡、張嘉郡、張嘉郡不在。","何欣純、何欣純不在。","王美惠、王美惠、王美惠不在。","蘇清泉、蘇清泉不在。","陳冠廷、陳冠廷、陳冠廷不在。","林楚茵、林楚茵、林楚茵不在。","高金素梅、高金素梅、高金素梅委員不在。","今天質詢登記的委員均已發言完畢，關於今天會議作如下決議：報告及詢答完畢，委員所提書面質詢或相關資料列入紀錄並刊登公報，對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答復部分，請相關機關儘速以書面答復。","113年度中央政府總預算有關國立故宮博物院主管預算（公務預算）解凍案3案業已審查完竣，准予動支，提報院會。114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案、故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案相關提案請於12月12號下午兩點前提出，另定期繼續審查。","報告委員會，今天的議程處理完畢，現在散會，謝謝各位。","散會（12時2分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":210,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-11","speakers":["萬美玲","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","葉元之","羅廷瑋","林宜瑾","吳春城","郭昱晴","張雅琳","吳沛憶","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":131,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311001_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立故宮博物院單位預算案；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案有關國立故宮博物院主管故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案；三、處理或審查 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