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00:01:12,440\n為什麼原本在網站上的點擊率被拿下來了呢?\n\n5\n00:01:31,087 --> 00:01:50,389\n因為剛剛就像他那邊所講的就是事實上我們整個的效率單看單一個點因為有4000多個網頁可以看所以如果單看某一個當然它的數目可能不高可是整體來看它是超過8萬人次委員在你的說法如果認為個別的點局不適合呈現那為什麼一剛開始要放在網站上面\n\n6\n00:01:51,297 --> 00:01:54,618\n我個人認為說這個也不叫遮蔽就是說我們希望看到是整體的效益而不是單疊各個網頁的效益所以才會講說那我們是不是把這個展現的方式做點調整\n\n7\n00:02:10,865 --> 00:02:21,067\n是展現還是想要逃避?是要逃避國會的監督嗎?沒有逃避因為我們還是會展現所有的點擊率所以所有點擊率剛剛講超過8萬人次這個還在上面這個沒有消失\n\n8\n00:02:21,579 --> 00:02:48,751\n這沒有消失可是剛才圖片上面看到我們確實點擊率是整體的網頁的那個點擊率那個在在這個這個那部長你可以再上去網頁上面看看現在都是看不到了那對於數發部本來就是要促進高齡者生活便利而建置的網站本心給予肯定還有支持可是遇到這個網頁點閱成效不彰的時候應該是要去面對吧需要需要去我我還有想辦法提升民眾的使用率我們要去promotion就是說我們要去做多點做點宣傳\n\n9\n00:02:49,751 --> 00:02:54,137\n所以你們自己有沒有去參考大數據去分析高齡者他們的興趣然後還有\n\n10\n00:02:55,707 --> 00:03:20,923\n相關的愛好的文章還有問題你們有去做分析嗎那個因為剛剛講就是這個東西是在我們是在10月10月21日上線所以所以這個資料的update一直在增加所以在黃委員黃國昌委員實際上我們算是11月初的事情所以上線不到一個月那個是那時候show出來的number那現在我們這個這個經過這就多一個月現在\n\n11\n00:03:21,443 --> 00:03:43,958\n是還是要請部長還有數位發展部就是被委員諮詢之後也不要用這種逃避的心態然後去遮蔽這個點閱率那也請數位發展部跟數位產署研議那如何有效推廣網站之對策還有另外點閱率為全民的監督政府之依據不應該被隱藏好那我們再來看到針對昨天的霸凌事件這邊要先請問部長\n\n12\n00:03:46,707 --> 00:04:12,140\n公務人員的考積法第6條規定規定年中考積以100分為滿分分為甲乙丙丁四等請問部長公務人員評評中有混蛋這個等級嗎那個報告委員這個事情我們正在內部調查中如果有不適當就是說調查結果出來在11月11號出來後我們會做立即處理所以這個所以沒有這個等級嗎為什麼有基層員工爆料有長官很喜歡用混蛋來評評公務人員所以我我\n\n13\n00:04:12,860 --> 00:04:37,117\n這樣的評比是出於第一兩三嗎?這不應該有這種語言出現所以我就說這個是第一個我們需要有幾個部分一個就是說以後我會跟這個我的這個部門的主管講就是這個我們特別講到說我們要有鐵的機率但是也要愛的教育就是說跟這個我們的這個所謂的部門的同仁溝通的時候要特別把愛放在心上所以如果有愛的心\n\n14\n00:04:37,677 --> 00:04:38,278\n打差是什麼意思?\n\n15\n00:04:48,773 --> 00:05:11,491\n報告委員這個我不清楚但是我們在調查就會把它弄清楚現在這是數發部的職場文化嗎因為有長官很喜歡給基層打X當然不是我們沒有這樣的一個那個絕大部分的主管跟這個我們部門同仁的溝通目前絕大部分啊這個都都都都就是說目前並沒有太多並沒有任何的抱怨但只有少數那這我們在調查\n\n16\n00:05:12,432 --> 00:05:25,402\n因為11月20日的時候院長就要求各部會要來做清查然後數位發展部司長就被爆料了那本席對於數位發展部發覺自己內部能力的問題更是要打上一個大大的差還是部長你要不要給自己打一個差\n\n17\n00:05:28,718 --> 00:05:45,535\n我剛剛特別跟委員講就是說有一些不當的言語跟不當的行為我們調查之後我們會做處置那當然這個是非常不恰當的那我這邊剛剛也跟其他委員說我特別為這件事情做個道歉就是這個我們會事後處理\n\n18\n00:05:47,489 --> 00:06:16,525\n部長您昨天有回應已經成立專案小組了然後調查報告什麼時候出來12月11號以前會出來12月11號那部長您對數發布發生辦理案件部長您掌握多少了解多少那個我在在那個11月22號在院長在在在要求調查所以我已經交代我們的部門的那個主管說我們開始要做內部調查那這個過程中當然發生了這些所謂的這些申訴案我們當然就要立刻處理\n\n19\n00:06:17,125 --> 00:06:41,652\n那當然就是說至於說這個申訴我們剛剛講我們請了所謂的我們有請了幾個外部的專家包括法律專家跟心理輔導專家從各個層面去評估這個事情的發生的原因背景跟他的行為那評估報告出來後我們就會立刻處理所以市長那本期希望這不是只是一個走一個流程跟走一個形式然後就吵吵結案了這邊問部長一個問題部長你今天的點心買了嗎部長你吃點心嗎點心對\n\n20\n00:06:46,752 --> 00:07:12,725\n通常不是我為什麼會問這個問題是因為原本規定開會喔便當或是點心喔只要一提供即可可是啊就有長官卻無視已經原本有會議便當了還強勢要求公務員再提供點心導致公務員他不能違背這個法規下的前提他只能自己操腰包然後吸收買單部長您知道嗎這個也是在調查裡面這也在調查裡面那部長您知道師長的一個月薪水多少錢嗎師長的薪水\n\n21\n00:07:20,511 --> 00:07:25,436\n市長有人可以替部長做回答嗎?一定是不少啦。那為什麼在數位發展部還有長官要基層公務人員替市長來做買單?\n\n22\n00:07:40,371 --> 00:07:51,966\n這是不當的行為這是不當的行為喔那本席知道這個就是這只有一個感受啦稀有廖天丁劫富濟貧啊今有鄭市長劫貧濟急柴蒙趁中華對市長趁點心喔\n\n23\n00:07:54,605 --> 00:08:20,399\n那再來看到還有聽說師長的肺活量極差未來有沒有要接近徐明春部長開演唱會還是明年在中華隊資格經典賽的時候要不要請師長去球場運用他強而有力的肺活量替我們中華隊來做應援呢就是我們這個要謹守這個公務人員應有的規範所以這個事情我們會部長您知道有咆哮下屬的這件事嗎\n\n24\n00:08:22,054 --> 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對市長趁點心喔\n那再來看到還有聽說師長的肺活量極差未來有沒有要接近徐明春部長開演唱會還是明年在中華隊資格經典賽的時候要不要請師長去球場運用他強而有力的肺活量替我們中華隊來做應援呢就是我們這個要謹守這個公務人員應有的規範所以這個事情我們會部長您知道有咆哮下屬的這件事嗎\n好這請部長去了解請部長加油以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.130 --> 00:28.258\n有請說發部黃部長黃部長部長好部長我們先來看到第一張投影片請問部長這兩張圖差別在哪裡兩張圖下面有多個可以看到更多的說明可以什麼樣的說明就是這個什麼東西不見了\n\n00:30.445 --> 00:52.719\n就是上網點擊人數不見了點擊人數不見了那11月13日的時候黃國昌在我們交通委員會質詢的時候有針對素材署樂齡好幫手網站點閱率過低的問題提出質詢那隨後本席辦公室在11月28日上該網站上面查詢點擊率的時候發現點擊率消失了不見了\n\n00:53.559 --> 01:09.578\n本席立即向素材署詢問為什麼點擊率會消失呢那素材署給本席的回覆是部長您參考因為使用者習慣不同所以會讓個別網站的點擊率過低所以個別的點擊率呢他不適合作為找尋平台資源的參考依據請問部長\n\n01:10.879 --> 01:12.440\n為什麼原本在網站上的點擊率被拿下來了呢?\n\n01:31.087 --> 01:50.389\n因為剛剛就像他那邊所講的就是事實上我們整個的效率單看單一個點因為有4000多個網頁可以看所以如果單看某一個當然它的數目可能不高可是整體來看它是超過8萬人次委員在你的說法如果認為個別的點局不適合呈現那為什麼一剛開始要放在網站上面\n\n01:51.297 --> 01:54.618\n我個人認為說這個也不叫遮蔽就是說我們希望看到是整體的效益而不是單疊各個網頁的效益所以才會講說那我們是不是把這個展現的方式做點調整\n\n02:10.865 --> 02:21.067\n是展現還是想要逃避?是要逃避國會的監督嗎?沒有逃避因為我們還是會展現所有的點擊率所以所有點擊率剛剛講超過8萬人次這個還在上面這個沒有消失\n\n02:21.579 --> 02:48.751\n這沒有消失可是剛才圖片上面看到我們確實點擊率是整體的網頁的那個點擊率那個在在這個這個那部長你可以再上去網頁上面看看現在都是看不到了那對於數發部本來就是要促進高齡者生活便利而建置的網站本心給予肯定還有支持可是遇到這個網頁點閱成效不彰的時候應該是要去面對吧需要需要去我我還有想辦法提升民眾的使用率我們要去promotion就是說我們要去做多點做點宣傳\n\n02:49.751 --> 02:54.137\n所以你們自己有沒有去參考大數據去分析高齡者他們的興趣然後還有\n\n02:55.707 --> 03:20.923\n相關的愛好的文章還有問題你們有去做分析嗎那個因為剛剛講就是這個東西是在我們是在10月10月21日上線所以所以這個資料的update一直在增加所以在黃委員黃國昌委員實際上我們算是11月初的事情所以上線不到一個月那個是那時候show出來的number那現在我們這個這個經過這就多一個月現在\n\n03:21.443 --> 03:43.958\n是還是要請部長還有數位發展部就是被委員諮詢之後也不要用這種逃避的心態然後去遮蔽這個點閱率那也請數位發展部跟數位產署研議那如何有效推廣網站之對策還有另外點閱率為全民的監督政府之依據不應該被隱藏好那我們再來看到針對昨天的霸凌事件這邊要先請問部長\n\n03:46.707 --> 04:12.140\n公務人員的考積法第6條規定規定年中考積以100分為滿分分為甲乙丙丁四等請問部長公務人員評評中有混蛋這個等級嗎那個報告委員這個事情我們正在內部調查中如果有不適當就是說調查結果出來在11月11號出來後我們會做立即處理所以這個所以沒有這個等級嗎為什麼有基層員工爆料有長官很喜歡用混蛋來評評公務人員所以我我\n\n04:12.860 --> 04:37.117\n這樣的評比是出於第一兩三嗎?這不應該有這種語言出現所以我就說這個是第一個我們需要有幾個部分一個就是說以後我會跟這個我的這個部門的主管講就是這個我們特別講到說我們要有鐵的機率但是也要愛的教育就是說跟這個我們的這個所謂的部門的同仁溝通的時候要特別把愛放在心上所以如果有愛的心\n\n04:37.677 --> 04:38.278\n打差是什麼意思?\n\n04:48.773 --> 05:11.491\n報告委員這個我不清楚但是我們在調查就會把它弄清楚現在這是數發部的職場文化嗎因為有長官很喜歡給基層打X當然不是我們沒有這樣的一個那個絕大部分的主管跟這個我們部門同仁的溝通目前絕大部分啊這個都都都都就是說目前並沒有太多並沒有任何的抱怨但只有少數那這我們在調查\n\n05:12.432 --> 05:25.402\n因為11月20日的時候院長就要求各部會要來做清查然後數位發展部司長就被爆料了那本席對於數位發展部發覺自己內部能力的問題更是要打上一個大大的差還是部長你要不要給自己打一個差\n\n05:28.718 --> 05:45.535\n我剛剛特別跟委員講就是說有一些不當的言語跟不當的行為我們調查之後我們會做處置那當然這個是非常不恰當的那我這邊剛剛也跟其他委員說我特別為這件事情做個道歉就是這個我們會事後處理\n\n05:47.489 --> 06:16.525\n部長您昨天有回應已經成立專案小組了然後調查報告什麼時候出來12月11號以前會出來12月11號那部長您對數發布發生辦理案件部長您掌握多少了解多少那個我在在那個11月22號在院長在在在要求調查所以我已經交代我們的部門的那個主管說我們開始要做內部調查那這個過程中當然發生了這些所謂的這些申訴案我們當然就要立刻處理\n\n06:17.125 --> 06:41.652\n那當然就是說至於說這個申訴我們剛剛講我們請了所謂的我們有請了幾個外部的專家包括法律專家跟心理輔導專家從各個層面去評估這個事情的發生的原因背景跟他的行為那評估報告出來後我們就會立刻處理所以市長那本期希望這不是只是一個走一個流程跟走一個形式然後就吵吵結案了這邊問部長一個問題部長你今天的點心買了嗎部長你吃點心嗎點心對\n\n06:46.752 --> 07:12.725\n通常不是我為什麼會問這個問題是因為原本規定開會喔便當或是點心喔只要一提供即可可是啊就有長官卻無視已經原本有會議便當了還強勢要求公務員再提供點心導致公務員他不能違背這個法規下的前提他只能自己操腰包然後吸收買單部長您知道嗎這個也是在調查裡面這也在調查裡面那部長您知道師長的一個月薪水多少錢嗎師長的薪水\n\n07:20.511 --> 07:25.436\n市長有人可以替部長做回答嗎?一定是不少啦。那為什麼在數位發展部還有長官要基層公務人員替市長來做買單?\n\n07:40.371 --> 07:51.966\n這是不當的行為這是不當的行為喔那本席知道這個就是這只有一個感受啦稀有廖天丁劫富濟貧啊今有鄭市長劫貧濟急柴蒙趁中華對市長趁點心喔\n\n07:54.605 --> 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若華：所以你們有這個等級嗎？為什麼基層員工爆料，有長官很喜歡用「混蛋」來評比公務人員？這樣的評比是出於立意良善嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：不應該有這種語言出現啦！所以有幾個部分，一個就是以後我會跟我們部門的主管講，我特別講到我們要有鐵的紀律，但是也要愛的教育，與部門的同仁溝通的時候，要特別把愛放在心上，所以如果有愛在心……"],["邱委員若華：有愛的教育，有鐵的紀律，然後還有「混蛋」這個評價。另外，我要再問到……"],["黃部長彥男：沒有，就不會有「混蛋」這種句子。"],["邱委員若華：再來，我要請教部長一個問題，打叉是什麼意思？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，這個我不清楚，但是我們在調查，我會弄清楚現在……"],["邱委員若華：這是數發部的職場文化嗎？因為有長官很喜歡給基層打叉。"],["黃部長彥男：當然不是，我們沒有這樣的職場文化，絕大部分的主管與部門同仁的溝通，目前並沒有任何的抱怨，只有少數，那這個我們在調查。"],["邱委員若華：因為11月20日的時候，院長就要求各部會要來清查，然後數發部司長就被爆料了，本席對於數發部發覺自己內部問題的能力更是要打上一個大大的叉，還是部長你要不要給自己打一個叉？"],["黃部長彥男：剛剛特別跟委員講，有一些不當的言語跟不當的行為我們調查之後會處置，當然這個是非常不恰當的，我剛剛也跟其他委員講過，我特別為這件事情道歉，這個我們事後會處理。"],["邱委員若華：部長，您昨天有回應，已經成立專案小組，然後調查報告什麼時候出來？"],["黃部長彥男：12月11日以前會出來。"],["邱委員若華：12月11日，那部長對於數發部發生霸凌案件，您掌握多少？瞭解多少？"],["黃部長彥男：我在11月22日院長要求調查的時候，我已經交代我們部門主管要開始做內部調查，在這個過程中發生這些申訴案，我們當然就要立刻處理。至於說這個申訴，我們有請了幾個外部的專家，包括法律專家及心理輔導專家，從各個層面去評估這件事情發生的原因、背景跟他的行為，評估報告出來以後我們就會立刻處理，所以我們現在在等評估報告。"],["邱委員若華：是，部長，本席希望這不是走一個流程跟走一個形式然後就草草結案了。"],["黃部長彥男：沒有，就是我們……"],["邱委員若華：這邊問部長一個問題，部長，你今天的點心買了嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：蛤？"],["邱委員若華：部長，你吃點心嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：點心？"],["邱委員若華：對。"],["黃部長彥男：通常不吃。"],["邱委員若華：我為什麼會問這個問題？是因為原本規定開會，便當或是點心擇一提供即可，可是就有長官卻無視，原本已經有會議便當了，還強制要求公務員再提供點心，導致公務員在不能違背法規的前提下，他只能自己掏腰包吸收買單，部長，您知道嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：這個也是在調查裡面。"],["邱委員若華：這也在調查裡面。部長，您知道司長一個月薪水多少錢嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：司長的薪水，報告委員，這個我不是很清楚。"],["邱委員若華：現場有人可以替部長回答嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：這個應該跟主計確認，人事處。"],["邱委員若華：一定是不少啦！好，沒關係，部長，為什麼在數發部還有長官要基層公務人員替司長來買單？"],["黃部長彥男：這是不當的行為。"],["邱委員若華：這是不當的行為，本席知道這件事只有一個感受啦！昔有廖添丁劫富濟貧，今天有鄭司長劫貧濟己；采盟蹭中華隊，司長蹭點心。還有，聽說司長的肺活量極佳，未來有沒有要借鏡許銘春部長開演唱會？還是明年在中華隊經典賽資格賽的時候，要不要請司長去球場運用他強而有力的肺活量，替我們中華隊來做應援呢？"],["黃部長彥男：我們要謹守公務人員應有的規範，所以這件事情我們會……"],["邱委員若華：部長，您知道有咆哮下屬這件事嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：一樣是在調查中，如果有咆哮下屬也是一個不當的行為，這都是屬於不當行為的一種，我們所謂霸凌裡面的不當行為，這個都是屬於不應該有的現象。"],["邱委員若華：好，再請部長去瞭解，請部長加油，以上，謝謝。"],["黃部長彥男：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝邱委員。","接下來有請徐富癸委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":286,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-13","speakers":["魯明哲","林沛祥","林國成","李昆澤","陳素月","林俊憲","何欣純","黃健豪","廖先翔","陳雪生","邱若華","徐富癸","蔡其昌","許智傑","游顥","鍾佳濱","楊瓊瓔","葛如鈞","洪孟楷","吳春城","葉元之","黃國昌","林楚茵","劉建國","羅美玲"],"page_start":211,"meetingDate":["2024-12-04"],"gazette_id":"11311001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11311001_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中\n央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11311001_00005"}}}