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00:03:35,654\n對這個本期還是要提醒齁這個不要當時我們都推出這個這麼好的一個政策結果就跟數位身份證一樣到最後將無疾而終這個也被外界很多的指引齁這個我們既然要講要做就應該要有具體的一個節奏啦齁這點再提醒一下部長\n\n11\n00:03:36,254 --> 00:04:01,436\n我想數位創新關鍵的基礎建設計畫是有助於提升我們的一個基礎設施和促進一個跨境合作跟加速數位轉型的一個重大意義那這部分還是請部長我們團隊再強烈努力那針對行政院在去年訂定的新世代打擊炸氣的一個策略可能領1.5版那我知道我們數位部預計在明年就要推動的這個2.0版\n\n12\n00:04:04,218 --> 00:04:31,494\n不巧目前部長這個我們執行的進度是怎麼樣對就是在數就是我們這個2.0版我們訴發部被賦予一個主導的角色叫防詐那這邊委員所列的就是我們防詐目前會執行的一些措施那裡面結果很重要很重要就是我們要對所謂的網路廣告平台商就是現在所講的常在講的像Meta裡面的Facebook、Instagram、Google然後Line\n\n13\n00:04:31,834 --> 00:04:31,894\n徐富癸\n\n14\n00:04:51,317 --> 00:04:51,897\n徐富癸\n\n15\n00:05:09,524 --> 00:05:32,116\n所以這個方面我相信在目前已經減少大概九成了我們目前已經看到這個詐騙廣告在這些平台已經減少九成那明年應該會減少更多所以這個應該在這一方面我們會看到其他的像遊戲點數啊這個第三萬支付都有精進措施然後這個所謂的網路平台所謂的遊戲平台都有一些也都看到效果\n\n16\n00:05:32,896 --> 00:05:35,578\n對部長我想包含第三方支付跟遊戲點數詐騙這些案子的處理當然我想我們還是需要公視來協力合作\n\n17\n00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:52,172\n謝謝委員長,我要提醒\n\n18\n00:06:10,711 --> 00:06:27,869\n好,不然那我請教一下,針對這個AI的這個網路主動式的那個防禦關鍵技術這個案子那目前我們在便利的預算上面明顯我們感覺到計畫的目標跟成果鏈結不足那這部分我們怎麼樣來強化這個部分\n\n19\n00:06:31,252 --> 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