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00:01:16,907\n政府加薪拚得過民間搶財嗎?美國的AI工程師年薪超過970萬。一般的AI工程師在台灣也有大概300萬,平均月收入是25萬。\n\n5\n00:01:38,257 --> 00:02:05,336\n啊你看你們考試院我看在考試院齁你們現在找的這些人我把名字調出來齁若是資安人員或資訊人員大概最頂到9、9萬或8萬8能比嗎部長你覺得這樣的就算加了專業家籍跟技巧養精有辦法搶得過人嗎確實是一個問題啦那怎麼辦怎麼解決這個是一個來我們來看一下現在公安部資安人員人體多少是不是剛剛那個數字資安人員8萬9萬\n\n6\n00:02:07,011 --> 00:02:13,930\n啊跟明天下一題啊那月薪有10萬嗎?愛芳就像業界為什麼原因你知道嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:15,472 --> 00:02:39,207\n因為我們現在政府用的是怎樣?以質蓄心啊。如果你是師長階層的檢任12職等就12萬5。你是科長的9職等的就8萬多。以此類推。也就是說你們的編制是什麼職缺來的人又什麼薪水是不是這樣子?為什麼請人事跟主計來就要請他們幫忙講啊?你們兩位處長趕快過來告訴他。是不是以質蓄心?政府用的是以質蓄心?\n\n8\n00:02:40,267 --> 00:03:05,563\n我們趕快趕快因為時間的關係往下看但是呢美國呢軍方很特別啊軍方他們需要這些資訊人才他們叫什麼以薪敘職啊你在民間多少錢我就用多少錢挖你這個錢如果相當於少校你進來就當少校這個錢現在進來是相當於少將你就是當少將部長你覺得如果我們要資安人才我們可以參照美國以薪敘職嗎\n\n9\n00:03:08,183 --> 00:03:11,968\n美國的做法我們沒辦法做,那往下來怎麼辦?\n\n10\n00:03:19,602 --> 00:03:40,028\n你們現在做了大概三種一個是用正職或約聘僱那他就是以職續薪加上加給有薪酬上限但是呢可以直接執行另外一種就委外外包廠商包去做另外一種呢就是什麼承攬找人來找學界來找學來承攬委辦然後呢他就寫個研究報告他不能執行沒有薪資上限\n\n11\n00:03:41,161 --> 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--> 00:11.635\n主席、在場委員、先進列席政府預算上官員會長、工作夥伴、媒體、記者、女士、新生。又請我們速發部黃部長還有主計處的李處長和人事處的莫處長。好,請部長、處長。我要。\n\n00:28.286 --> 00:49.586\n部長好兩位處長好我今天不要提呢短期專案補足政府治安能力定期公佈非實名制廣告平台來我們看一下部長既然我們政府的治安能力不足為什麼高考只開11名缺我看一下目前我們中央跟地方的缺額是239個但是呢提報值卻只提報11個結果不到200人來考什麼原因部長\n\n00:52.918 --> 01:02.505\n請自安署那個書長簡單的說我直接問你啦為什麼是因為我們公部門待遇低嗎你們現在是不是有要求給專業加給跟績效獎金了專業加給合訂了沒簡單好時間有限好報告委員因為這個考試公布是12月28號你簡單告訴我有沒有有沒有幫助\n\n01:13.686 --> 01:16.907\n政府加薪拚得過民間搶財嗎?美國的AI工程師年薪超過970萬。一般的AI工程師在台灣也有大概300萬,平均月收入是25萬。\n\n01:38.257 --> 02:05.336\n啊你看你們考試院我看在考試院齁你們現在找的這些人我把名字調出來齁若是資安人員或資訊人員大概最頂到9、9萬或8萬8能比嗎部長你覺得這樣的就算加了專業家籍跟技巧養精有辦法搶得過人嗎確實是一個問題啦那怎麼辦怎麼解決這個是一個來我們來看一下現在公安部資安人員人體多少是不是剛剛那個數字資安人員8萬9萬\n\n02:07.011 --> 02:13.930\n啊跟明天下一題啊那月薪有10萬嗎?愛芳就像業界為什麼原因你知道嗎?\n\n02:15.472 --> 02:39.207\n因為我們現在政府用的是怎樣?以質蓄心啊。如果你是師長階層的檢任12職等就12萬5。你是科長的9職等的就8萬多。以此類推。也就是說你們的編制是什麼職缺來的人又什麼薪水是不是這樣子?為什麼請人事跟主計來就要請他們幫忙講啊?你們兩位處長趕快過來告訴他。是不是以質蓄心?政府用的是以質蓄心?\n\n02:40.267 --> 03:05.563\n我們趕快趕快因為時間的關係往下看但是呢美國呢軍方很特別啊軍方他們需要這些資訊人才他們叫什麼以薪敘職啊你在民間多少錢我就用多少錢挖你這個錢如果相當於少校你進來就當少校這個錢現在進來是相當於少將你就是當少將部長你覺得如果我們要資安人才我們可以參照美國以薪敘職嗎\n\n03:08.183 --> 03:11.968\n美國的做法我們沒辦法做,那往下來怎麼辦?\n\n03:19.602 --> 03:40.028\n你們現在做了大概三種一個是用正職或約聘僱那他就是以職續薪加上加給有薪酬上限但是呢可以直接執行另外一種就委外外包廠商包去做另外一種呢就是什麼承攬找人來找學界來找學來承攬委辦然後呢他就寫個研究報告他不能執行沒有薪資上限\n\n03:41.161 --> 04:00.751\n除了這三種方法有沒有其他方法可以解決我們有那個法人像治安院他信了治安院就是委外啊他能夠直接執行嗎要搖頭到底是不是治安院是不是委外還是承攬治安院是我們的行政法人所以基本上也是辦個政府主席他的心智也這樣有上限嘛可以追得上民間的標準嗎\n\n04:02.488 --> 04:02.728\n接下來談打詐\n\n04:15.527 --> 04:42.627\n儘管會說詐騙管道都是來自社群平台其中臉書跟meta加起來市占率四分之三但是呢詐騙廣告占的關係90%有將近6萬件嚴不嚴重嚴重對那你們怎麼做我在我報告裡面講過我們現在就是第一個要落實廣告實名制再來這就是廣告實名制的結果會杜絕很多這種假的很好所以呢我們立法院我質詢了13次我們跟行政院通過了4個法對不對\n\n04:44.668 --> 05:03.839\n所以你們就說停止非實名制下廣告這是誰做的這一第一槍趙鋒晶開了第一槍是不是對有沒有效果有Meta說什麼數話部說Meta承諾1月前百分之百落實實名制是不是這樣子對真的會落實嗎我們等著看喔身份驗證百分之百落實好接下來\n\n05:04.699 --> 05:19.327\n可是除了Meta之外未落地的網路平台怎麼納管抖音這裡面有詐騙有毒品有色情小紅書三方詐騙點數卡淘寶也有淘寶小紅書抖音有落地嗎沒有落地沒有落地你怎麼管\n\n05:24.677 --> 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