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00:03:32,025\n那就是資安院執行就不用開標案了然後訓練30位人才然後產出會產出一套自己的軟體嗎用的是什麼樣的AI用的是什麼樣的技術已經確定了嗎還是需要額外的報告我跟委員報告一下這個是委託由資安院來執行那我們會內部我們沒有在委外\n\n11\n00:03:32,785 --> 00:03:33,365\n謝謝,您可以在旁邊,部長。\n\n12\n00:03:52,259 --> 00:04:09,754\n書面上就是寫30位你不要現在來了突然變150然後到底是採用什麼技術講清楚這是一億的計畫好不好往後面所以能不能提出報告再提出來多久可以給細節一點的或者你們內部的計畫分享一下我們提報告給委員\n\n13\n00:04:10,615 --> 00:04:29,090\n人民的錢一週內可以吧因為這個預算你都編進去啊好不好好再來資安事件現在有非常多監理站詐騙也提醒所有的民眾連我們辦公室助理都收到而且是怎麼樣他剛被開完罰單結果就收到就收到監理站繳罰還的詐騙的信件\n\n14\n00:04:32,632 --> 00:04:51,159\n請問訴發部這邊有沒有收到監理站的這個結果上網一查一大堆人被騙11月10號就是11月一堆監理站各種方面而且都是那種剛收到交通罰單沒多久就收到這個繳費的詐騙的簡訊有沒有監理站或交通的單位有沒有跟你們通報\n\n15\n00:04:52,179 --> 00:04:53,380\n我們目前沒有收到通報吧?\n\n16\n00:05:17,802 --> 00:05:32,450\n目前沒有嘛對不對這個消息已經都在網路上了民眾都非常的恐慌可不可以麻煩一樣多久以內一周好不好這個詐騙快一點瞭解一下有或沒有就好然後我們來看一下說我們能幫什麼忙\n\n17\n00:05:34,150 --> 00:05:52,336\n一一一的短碼破功啦我想各位應該也知道這個消息了齁當然我知道短碼是一個好的做法但是有沒有解決方案結果呢我們看短碼有問題gov.tw可能也有問題這個到底我們在防詐上面應該要如何做我是希望齁應該要\n\n18\n00:05:54,016 --> 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有請黃部長\n謝謝部長我想數位信任很重要啦也希望全民可以信任數法部那我想我還是非常感謝我仔細閱讀了你們相關的這個過去一年所做的事跟相關的計畫在相關的資安跟技術上我覺得是有精進有不錯的成果先予以感謝那但是有幾個議題還是想要來就教一下想請教部長\n在新的計畫書裡面呢你們有這個MOCN的預算是5.6億那低軌衛星是編了1.7億但是你們在第15頁的時候自己講了其實用所謂的傳統的這個5G的網路或者一般的電信基地台重大災難發生的時候可能會有部分的業者失效\n全球現在都在佈建低軌衛星但是我們反而MOCN的預算竟然是它的將近三倍這個規劃您知道嗎?您同意嗎?\n這個請司長在這邊做個說明謝偉文我看這技術是這樣子\n現在三大業者並沒有用這個合成的這個技術所以他需要一些資本支出所以這個6億我們需要重新建對但是現在全世界都在限低軌衛星啊結果你們現在是在補足多網路的跨網路我知道啊可是這個合不合邏輯啊部長有沒有理解過\n我們看了各國都是低軌衛星支出開始高於傳統的網路就算你是多網路是對吧衛星只有Mega級的流量那你救災的時候你是要怎麼樣你要下載2G上傳2G嗎不是吧對吧\n二、新增1億計畫．新增AI網絡主動式防禦關鍵技術研究計畫．\n兩頁的內容有什麼具體產出用什麼技術誰還執行一億要弄出30位資安人才啦這個部長知不知道啊你能不能簡要的回答第一個這個因為深層AI用深層AI來做網路防禦是一個新的發展那我們這個計畫是委託這個會做一套自己的系統嗎委託誰會外包嗎是資安院嗎\n那就是資安院執行就不用開標案了然後訓練30位人才然後產出會產出一套自己的軟體嗎用的是什麼樣的AI用的是什麼樣的技術已經確定了嗎還是需要額外的報告我跟委員報告一下這個是委託由資安院來執行那我們會內部我們沒有在委外\n謝謝,您可以在旁邊,部長。\n書面上就是寫30位你不要現在來了突然變150然後到底是採用什麼技術講清楚這是一億的計畫好不好往後面所以能不能提出報告再提出來多久可以給細節一點的或者你們內部的計畫分享一下我們提報告給委員\n人民的錢一週內可以吧因為這個預算你都編進去啊好不好好再來資安事件現在有非常多監理站詐騙也提醒所有的民眾連我們辦公室助理都收到而且是怎麼樣他剛被開完罰單結果就收到就收到監理站繳罰還的詐騙的信件\n請問訴發部這邊有沒有收到監理站的這個結果上網一查一大堆人被騙11月10號就是11月一堆監理站各種方面而且都是那種剛收到交通罰單沒多久就收到這個繳費的詐騙的簡訊有沒有監理站或交通的單位有沒有跟你們通報\n我們目前沒有收到通報吧?\n目前沒有嘛對不對這個消息已經都在網路上了民眾都非常的恐慌可不可以麻煩一樣多久以內一周好不好這個詐騙快一點瞭解一下有或沒有就好然後我們來看一下說我們能幫什麼忙\n一一一的短碼破功啦我想各位應該也知道這個消息了齁當然我知道短碼是一個好的做法但是有沒有解決方案結果呢我們看短碼有問題gov.tw可能也有問題這個到底我們在防詐上面應該要如何做我是希望齁應該要\n更多的落實你們有很多跨部會的預算更多的落實合作資安打詐這一題我就之後有機會再交流因為時間很有限了資安人力短缺也麻煩注意一下剛剛呢這個中加兵委員有提到以新續職\n這個方向我們也是覺得是從阿宅的角度來看也是認同所以希望這個部分呢也予以去了解那治安的人力的培育也要增加啦什麼11個啦30個啦150啦我覺得都是遠遠不夠其實你們預算是很充足的希望能夠補足治安人力增加流財的誘因最後我想請教部長一件事近期通查網\n算是不小心提前下架了啦那雲端發票還有很多政府機關的數位的平台大家都有點擔心可能會有不被信任的問題所以我想訴發部應該要帶頭被信任而不是帶頭被不信任啦所以我想請教部長請教部長這個題很認真知通系統的外包是否需要做外包廠商的適任性查核\n連查核都是外包啊\n事任性查核抱歉我在問的是事任性查核抱歉部長我跟您溝通一下這是你們資通安全管理法的私情細則資通安全管理法裡面就算你們內部請資安院來做或者你們內部來做都要有公務人員的事任性查核不能有不適任的人來做我們的資通系統這是第一點\n第二點連外包廠商都應該要有適任性的查核這是你們的資通安全管理法我們目前認為而且資通系統的定義對不起講得非常清楚這是資通安全法第三條第一項用於資料的收集控制傳輸儲存流通刪除資訊或對資訊進行其他處理使用或分享系統等於幾乎所有的資訊系統在外包上都應該要做適任性查核請問部長\n謝謝委員．\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.040 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