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00:02:01,309\n好,謝謝主委的說法,表示尊重。但主委提醒主委不要忘記,民調其實就是民意的展現。那為什麼民眾對現在的總統府、總統跟政府有這麼高的不滿意度?那我根據同一份民調來顯示,有關朝野政黨持續對立的責任歸屬,有高達46.8%,就是最快一步的民眾認為,這政黨你要負最大的責任。\n\n7\n00:02:07,512 --> 00:02:18,095\n二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．\n\n8\n00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:47,084\n二、審查公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．計六案．\n\n9\n00:02:58,848 --> 00:03:14,438\n新國會學者智庫公佈將近七成的民眾認為八大大罷免不利於國家安定也有許多學者表達現行的罷免制度恐會衍生腐爛罷免造成社會對立動盪因此將近高達六成的民眾並不認同現行罷免的門檻\n\n10\n00:03:22,123 --> 00:03:48,295\n修這個法的目的最主要就是避免政治報復,然後避免惡意的罷免再發生。我們的委員也說過,像我們之前出現的民眾討論的希望,他可以幫我們做事情,他可以替我們把這個國家顧好,但是都在為了正當的理由把人拉下來,我覺得這個會造成社會不安。因為你拉我,我也想要拉你嘛,我覺得這個是很實在道理啦。那為什麼我要這樣說?\n\n11\n00:03:52,318 --> 00:04:19,898\n民進黨的提出這個惡意罷免的案子很簡單,就是我們民進黨的立委許智傑也曾經在接受廣播節目的時候講到嘛,他說一直在發文講,他說民進黨只能用罷免的手段才能讓國會過半,不然我們會過四年。他甚至鎖定了九個,九個國民黨籍的立委罷免名單,他說因為這的人比較好罷免,我們要選這個高的人,其中的包括我本人。\n\n12\n00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:34,978\n我認為在這段時間內我和大家的同事相處也不會壞我也很認真地合適我也很認真地想要把選區選民交代的任務來解決可是我們不知道為什麼我們也會被列進來\n\n13\n00:04:35,999 --> 00:05:01,994\n他自己說,其實這些被點名罷免的名單,有些相處很中性啊,一碼幹要到底啊。尤其是可見,其實徐委員心裡面他之前很清楚嘛,推動這個罷免其實一點都不合理。只是為了政黨的利益,要把人扭來,要搶得過半的稀釋啊。我想這樣子,因為這樣的罷免要浪費那麼多人民的納稅錢,浪費我們社會的能量,這個是撕裂這個整個國家安定。\n\n14\n00:05:03,254 --> 00:05:29,280\n懺悔民主元兇這絕對有檢討的必要性我尊重委員這一番這個說明但是我另外有一個問題委員可以是不是可以做參考就是說在委員的面前你認為說如果說有什麼罷免的草之類的你認為沒道理的嘛那沒道理是應該有道理沒道理應該就是這個論述嘛相互分明的攻防嘛\n\n15\n00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:43,389\n不應該你認為說到底有沒有道理有沒有道理是要用修改法律變動選制來處理這樣子的問題我感覺這因果之間可能有一些\n\n16\n00:05:45,691 --> 00:05:51,957\n二、審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：\n\n17\n00:06:11,155 --> 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