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{\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:06,946 --> 00:00:15,142\n主席好各位委員各位官員大家早有請這個李主委請李主委跟劉部長請劉部長\n\n2\n00:00:25,046 --> 00:00:37,191\n好部長好主委好首先要跟部長跟主委請教最近大家所關切非常大的一個國際新聞南韓總統以錫悅在12月3號宣布戒嚴歷時6個小時在12月4號凌晨宣布戒嚴\n\n3\n00:00:43,894 --> 00:01:08,330\n但是立法院民進黨黨團卻發文附和支持這樣的舉動,引發大批網友抨擊後刪文,並馬上在4日也澄清絕對不支持戒嚴。消息傳回南韓之後,南韓主流媒體及日本的媒體紛紛報導,直指民進黨支持戒嚴是在野黨批評後才迅速刪除。\n\n4\n00:01:14,714 --> 00:01:33,839\n民進黨黨團發文:「南韓國會被親北韓勢力操控,南韓總統乙錫悅為守護民主自由體制,緊急宣布全國戒嚴。」不要懷疑,聽台灣的我們,其實每分每秒無時無刻都在抵抗世界等級的暗黑勢力在侵蝕這個國家。\n\n5\n00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:59,326\n可是事實上是什麼呢?事實上是以習越他的聲望低迷在於不僅他的夫人有一些醜聞或一些弊案以及他治國不佳導致南韓十月份的物價指數大漲1.3%物價上漲到自民院士氣而且以習越大力打壓反對派然後也等等的一些問題\n\n6\n00:02:01,087 --> 00:02:12,775\n有彈劾他的聲浪,也提出南韓國會因為受在野黨民主黨控制,阻礙以習越的政治議程,讓他感到沮喪。\n\n7\n00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:32,897\n我要跟部長講的南韓戒嚴、民進黨聲援全世界都看到這個真的是民進黨的真心化大冒險民進黨搞認知作戰到這樣的程度不僅讓台灣的國際關係低落也傷害國家團結以及民主自由過去以來的民主自由\n\n8\n00:02:34,998 --> 00:03:01,951\n賴慶榮總統在國慶演講大聲疾呼要談團結國家安定社會可是現在卻縱容自己本黨民進黨團用認知作戰來分裂國人臺灣是在民國76年解嚴金門是在民國81年解嚴為什麼要請教這個主委跟部長的原因因為只要是這個戒嚴的國家其實就是沒有選舉所以我想要請教李靜永主委跟我們的劉部長\n\n9\n00:03:02,791 --> 00:03:06,055\n對於民進黨這樣發文的意見?報告委員,我們內政部並不是戒嚴的主管機關,所以沒有辦法回應。\n\n10\n00:03:23,471 --> 00:03:39,197\n我們從媒體報導得知當韓國總統發布這個戒嚴令之後那我們國家的國安單位他們是隨時掌握了相關的訊息那麼也做必要的因應\n\n11\n00:03:41,837 --> 00:04:07,745\n同時賴總統雖然仍在國外訪問但是也能夠完全掌握整個的狀況那這樣全盤的看起來是有準備的是有準備的國內各行各業也沒有發生有什麼這個不安或者是動難的一個狀況我們希望我們希望這個國內的這個這個安全社會的安全國家的安全都不會因此而受到任何的影響\n\n12\n00:04:08,405 --> 00:04:18,691\n所以主委不支持這樣子的發文內容不僅傷害台灣的國際關係以及傷害台灣的民主自由及國家團結是嗎?中選會對這方面我們不予評論\n\n13\n00:04:19,565 --> 00:04:26,011\n二、審查委員曆法院內政委員會經過民進黨三次杯葛議事,今天好不容易立法委員可以上台質詢。在中選會報告中提到謝國良市長的罷免案,\n\n14\n00:04:42,367 --> 00:05:06,666\n那我特別要提到我認為罷免案絕對不能是政治惡意罷免尤其這個李酉昌前部長他當時在謝國良市長的罷免案他不僅發臉書需要說這個要來支持這樣的罷免案然後等到這個罷免案結束了以後他才這個10月13號罷免案是罷免案的進行中他在前一天晚上我記得還有發臉書還是什麼的\n\n15\n00:05:08,087 --> 00:05:33,551\n然後在10月16號他經媒體採訪的時候他才提出如果是有大罷免的話即便是值得商議討論而且這不是民主常態那我們可以看到現在很多的新聞不管是青鳥等等的活動都在支持大罷免那我是不是想請問一下你們跟這個前內政部部長林佑昌的想法是不是一樣是不是不支持這樣子的大罷免行動是不是請部長跟主委回答\n\n16\n00:05:37,545 --> 00:06:04,463\n報告委員我們在主管選舉罷免法的時候其實並沒有政黨的差異任何個人或任何團體按照選舉罷免法所提出的提議連署或者是罷免或者是其他的包括公投在內的創制復決我們一切都是依法行政所以每一個公民有他們的參政權還有言論自由我們都充分尊重我想這是我們憲法所授予民主國家必要的公民的參政權的保障\n\n17\n00:06:05,049 --> 00:06:19,628\n好謝謝部長稍等一下齁我想請教部長內政部長林佑昌是說他不支持這樣的大罷免活動也非常太那您的意見是支持所有公民團體不管是政黨的公民團體的自由意識是嗎所以你跟林佑昌的想法是不一樣的\n\n18\n00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:36,034\n李佑昌現在是民進黨秘書長,我現在是內政部部長,所以我說內政部所主管的法律裡面,我們是保障每一位公民參政的權利,包括選舉罷免、創制、復決,我們都是依照規定來辦理。\n\n19\n00:06:41,897 --> 00:07:05,416\n中選會是一個獨立的機關我們秉持選務中立依法行政的立場對於各項選舉罷免的業務呢都是依法來執行好那接下來馬上請教在選辦法第七十五條就職未滿一年不得提出罷免那可是在內政部的函令是寫說未滿一年進行罷免可徵求提議所以現在離這個就滿\n\n20\n00:07:06,417 --> 00:07:34,434\n還沒有未滿一年我想要請教這個主委到底現在在收罷免的聯署書是否合法合規選辦法的規定是就職未滿一年不得提出這個罷免不得提出罷免案所以中選會在審查提議的這個文件的時候我們當然是必須要在滿一年之後我們才可能受理\n\n21\n00:07:35,214 --> 00:08:02,174\n一年內收取聯署書可以嗎?在滿一年之前到底他的聯署書是什麼時候收取的我們因為案子我們還沒受理所以無從去查我們無從去審查沒有審查因為媒體在大街小巷都在收取你無法審查我們只是法律沒有規定不能把頭埋在沙子裡就看不到但是我們要依法行政\n\n22\n00:08:03,426 --> 00:08:23,295\n的確是有這樣的事情,所以請你調查了解嗎?那最後再請你回後再提書面資料給我。那最後再請跟部長報告,我支持剛剛王美惠所講的李長任滿六屆滿65歲是要提供他一個,現在提議是30萬的一個,給他一個慰問金。\n\n23\n00:08:24,755 --> 00:08:47,529\n這個部分其實地方的政府尤其地方的民政機關有在提議說這個部分的錢是不是中央可以來支援因為如果是一次性的話金額才會高達數千萬其實對各台灣的地方政府都是一個財務吃緊的部分那等到這一次如果第一次性的付完了以後等後續的這個錢每年如果有任期滿65歲以上的地方政府來支援這可以來協助嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:49,798 --> 00:09:06,208\n是我知道地方政府會有財政上的困難是但是我們也是希望說在審查的時候這個法律可以先通過好那地方政府的經費的話再想說再請部長我們的預算並沒有現在先編列進去對就是後年度才可能會發生再拜託部長來協助好嗎謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6946\t15142\t主席好各位委員各位官員大家早有請這個李主委請李主委跟劉部長請劉部長\n25046\t37191\t好部長好主委好首先要跟部長跟主委請教最近大家所關切非常大的一個國際新聞南韓總統以錫悅在12月3號宣布戒嚴歷時6個小時在12月4號凌晨宣布戒嚴\n43894\t68330\t但是立法院民進黨黨團卻發文附和支持這樣的舉動,引發大批網友抨擊後刪文,並馬上在4日也澄清絕對不支持戒嚴。消息傳回南韓之後,南韓主流媒體及日本的媒體紛紛報導,直指民進黨支持戒嚴是在野黨批評後才迅速刪除。\n74714\t93839\t民進黨黨團發文:「南韓國會被親北韓勢力操控,南韓總統乙錫悅為守護民主自由體制,緊急宣布全國戒嚴。」不要懷疑,聽台灣的我們,其實每分每秒無時無刻都在抵抗世界等級的暗黑勢力在侵蝕這個國家。\n95319\t119326\t可是事實上是什麼呢?事實上是以習越他的聲望低迷在於不僅他的夫人有一些醜聞或一些弊案以及他治國不佳導致南韓十月份的物價指數大漲1.3%物價上漲到自民院士氣而且以習越大力打壓反對派然後也等等的一些問題\n121087\t132775\t有彈劾他的聲浪,也提出南韓國會因為受在野黨民主黨控制,阻礙以習越的政治議程,讓他感到沮喪。\n134520\t152897\t我要跟部長講的南韓戒嚴、民進黨聲援全世界都看到這個真的是民進黨的真心化大冒險民進黨搞認知作戰到這樣的程度不僅讓台灣的國際關係低落也傷害國家團結以及民主自由過去以來的民主自由\n154998\t181951\t賴慶榮總統在國慶演講大聲疾呼要談團結國家安定社會可是現在卻縱容自己本黨民進黨團用認知作戰來分裂國人臺灣是在民國76年解嚴金門是在民國81年解嚴為什麼要請教這個主委跟部長的原因因為只要是這個戒嚴的國家其實就是沒有選舉所以我想要請教李靜永主委跟我們的劉部長\n182791\t186055\t對於民進黨這樣發文的意見?報告委員,我們內政部並不是戒嚴的主管機關,所以沒有辦法回應。\n203471\t219197\t我們從媒體報導得知當韓國總統發布這個戒嚴令之後那我們國家的國安單位他們是隨時掌握了相關的訊息那麼也做必要的因應\n221837\t247745\t同時賴總統雖然仍在國外訪問但是也能夠完全掌握整個的狀況那這樣全盤的看起來是有準備的是有準備的國內各行各業也沒有發生有什麼這個不安或者是動難的一個狀況我們希望我們希望這個國內的這個這個安全社會的安全國家的安全都不會因此而受到任何的影響\n248405\t258691\t所以主委不支持這樣子的發文內容不僅傷害台灣的國際關係以及傷害台灣的民主自由及國家團結是嗎?中選會對這方面我們不予評論\n259565\t266011\t二、審查委員曆法院內政委員會經過民進黨三次杯葛議事,今天好不容易立法委員可以上台質詢。在中選會報告中提到謝國良市長的罷免案,\n282367\t306666\t那我特別要提到我認為罷免案絕對不能是政治惡意罷免尤其這個李酉昌前部長他當時在謝國良市長的罷免案他不僅發臉書需要說這個要來支持這樣的罷免案然後等到這個罷免案結束了以後他才這個10月13號罷免案是罷免案的進行中他在前一天晚上我記得還有發臉書還是什麼的\n308087\t333551\t然後在10月16號他經媒體採訪的時候他才提出如果是有大罷免的話即便是值得商議討論而且這不是民主常態那我們可以看到現在很多的新聞不管是青鳥等等的活動都在支持大罷免那我是不是想請問一下你們跟這個前內政部部長林佑昌的想法是不是一樣是不是不支持這樣子的大罷免行動是不是請部長跟主委回答\n337545\t364463\t報告委員我們在主管選舉罷免法的時候其實並沒有政黨的差異任何個人或任何團體按照選舉罷免法所提出的提議連署或者是罷免或者是其他的包括公投在內的創制復決我們一切都是依法行政所以每一個公民有他們的參政權還有言論自由我們都充分尊重我想這是我們憲法所授予民主國家必要的公民的參政權的保障\n365049\t379628\t好 謝謝部長 稍等一下齁 我想請教部長 內政部長林佑昌是說他不支持這樣的大罷免活動也非常太那您的意見是支持所有公民團體不管是政黨的公民團體的自由意識是嗎所以你跟林佑昌的想法是不一樣的\n380629\t396034\t李佑昌現在是民進黨秘書長,我現在是內政部部長,所以我說內政部所主管的法律裡面,我們是保障每一位公民參政的權利,包括選舉罷免、創制、復決,我們都是依照規定來辦理。\n401897\t425416\t中選會是一個獨立的機關我們秉持選務中立依法行政的立場對於各項選舉罷免的業務呢都是依法來執行好那接下來馬上請教在選辦法第七十五條就職未滿一年不得提出罷免那可是在內政部的函令是寫說未滿一年進行罷免可徵求提議所以現在離這個就滿\n426417\t454434\t還沒有未滿一年我想要請教這個主委到底現在在收罷免的聯署書是否合法合規選辦法的規定是就職未滿一年不得提出這個罷免不得提出罷免案所以中選會在審查提議的這個文件的時候我們當然是必須要在滿一年之後我們才可能受理\n455214\t482174\t一年內收取聯署書可以嗎?在滿一年之前到底他的聯署書是什麼時候收取的我們因為案子我們還沒受理所以無從去查我們無從去審查沒有審查因為媒體在大街小巷都在收取你無法審查我們只是法律沒有規定不能把頭埋在沙子裡就看不到但是我們要依法行政\n483426\t503295\t的確是有這樣的事情,所以請你調查了解嗎?那最後再請你回後再提書面資料給我。那最後再請跟部長報告,我支持剛剛王美惠所講的李長任滿六屆滿65歲是要提供他一個,現在提議是30萬的一個,給他一個慰問金。\n504755\t527529\t這個部分其實地方的政府尤其地方的民政機關有在提議說這個部分的錢是不是中央可以來支援因為如果是一次性的話金額才會高達數千萬其實對各台灣的地方政府都是一個財務吃緊的部分那等到這一次如果第一次性的付完了以後等後續的這個錢每年如果有任期滿65歲以上的地方政府來支援這可以來協助嗎?\n529798\t546208\t是我知道地方政府會有財政上的困難是但是我們也是希望說在審查的時候這個法律可以先通過好那地方政府的經費的話再想說再請部長我們的預算並沒有現在先編列進去對就是後年度才可能會發生再拜託部長來協助好嗎謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"主席好各位委員各位官員大家早有請這個李主委請李主委跟劉部長請劉部長\n好部長好主委好首先要跟部長跟主委請教最近大家所關切非常大的一個國際新聞南韓總統以錫悅在12月3號宣布戒嚴歷時6個小時在12月4號凌晨宣布戒嚴\n但是立法院民進黨黨團卻發文附和支持這樣的舉動,引發大批網友抨擊後刪文,並馬上在4日也澄清絕對不支持戒嚴。消息傳回南韓之後,南韓主流媒體及日本的媒體紛紛報導,直指民進黨支持戒嚴是在野黨批評後才迅速刪除。\n民進黨黨團發文:「南韓國會被親北韓勢力操控,南韓總統乙錫悅為守護民主自由體制,緊急宣布全國戒嚴。」不要懷疑,聽台灣的我們,其實每分每秒無時無刻都在抵抗世界等級的暗黑勢力在侵蝕這個國家。\n可是事實上是什麼呢?事實上是以習越他的聲望低迷在於不僅他的夫人有一些醜聞或一些弊案以及他治國不佳導致南韓十月份的物價指數大漲1.3%物價上漲到自民院士氣而且以習越大力打壓反對派然後也等等的一些問題\n有彈劾他的聲浪,也提出南韓國會因為受在野黨民主黨控制,阻礙以習越的政治議程,讓他感到沮喪。\n我要跟部長講的南韓戒嚴、民進黨聲援全世界都看到這個真的是民進黨的真心化大冒險民進黨搞認知作戰到這樣的程度不僅讓台灣的國際關係低落也傷害國家團結以及民主自由過去以來的民主自由\n賴慶榮總統在國慶演講大聲疾呼要談團結國家安定社會可是現在卻縱容自己本黨民進黨團用認知作戰來分裂國人臺灣是在民國76年解嚴金門是在民國81年解嚴為什麼要請教這個主委跟部長的原因因為只要是這個戒嚴的國家其實就是沒有選舉所以我想要請教李靜永主委跟我們的劉部長\n對於民進黨這樣發文的意見?報告委員,我們內政部並不是戒嚴的主管機關,所以沒有辦法回應。\n我們從媒體報導得知當韓國總統發布這個戒嚴令之後那我們國家的國安單位他們是隨時掌握了相關的訊息那麼也做必要的因應\n同時賴總統雖然仍在國外訪問但是也能夠完全掌握整個的狀況那這樣全盤的看起來是有準備的是有準備的國內各行各業也沒有發生有什麼這個不安或者是動難的一個狀況我們希望我們希望這個國內的這個這個安全社會的安全國家的安全都不會因此而受到任何的影響\n所以主委不支持這樣子的發文內容不僅傷害台灣的國際關係以及傷害台灣的民主自由及國家團結是嗎?中選會對這方面我們不予評論\n二、審查委員曆法院內政委員會經過民進黨三次杯葛議事,今天好不容易立法委員可以上台質詢。在中選會報告中提到謝國良市長的罷免案,\n那我特別要提到我認為罷免案絕對不能是政治惡意罷免尤其這個李酉昌前部長他當時在謝國良市長的罷免案他不僅發臉書需要說這個要來支持這樣的罷免案然後等到這個罷免案結束了以後他才這個10月13號罷免案是罷免案的進行中他在前一天晚上我記得還有發臉書還是什麼的\n然後在10月16號他經媒體採訪的時候他才提出如果是有大罷免的話即便是值得商議討論而且這不是民主常態那我們可以看到現在很多的新聞不管是青鳥等等的活動都在支持大罷免那我是不是想請問一下你們跟這個前內政部部長林佑昌的想法是不是一樣是不是不支持這樣子的大罷免行動是不是請部長跟主委回答\n報告委員我們在主管選舉罷免法的時候其實並沒有政黨的差異任何個人或任何團體按照選舉罷免法所提出的提議連署或者是罷免或者是其他的包括公投在內的創制復決我們一切都是依法行政所以每一個公民有他們的參政權還有言論自由我們都充分尊重我想這是我們憲法所授予民主國家必要的公民的參政權的保障\n好 謝謝部長 稍等一下齁 我想請教部長 內政部長林佑昌是說他不支持這樣的大罷免活動也非常太那您的意見是支持所有公民團體不管是政黨的公民團體的自由意識是嗎所以你跟林佑昌的想法是不一樣的\n李佑昌現在是民進黨秘書長,我現在是內政部部長,所以我說內政部所主管的法律裡面,我們是保障每一位公民參政的權利,包括選舉罷免、創制、復決,我們都是依照規定來辦理。\n中選會是一個獨立的機關我們秉持選務中立依法行政的立場對於各項選舉罷免的業務呢都是依法來執行好那接下來馬上請教在選辦法第七十五條就職未滿一年不得提出罷免那可是在內政部的函令是寫說未滿一年進行罷免可徵求提議所以現在離這個就滿\n還沒有未滿一年我想要請教這個主委到底現在在收罷免的聯署書是否合法合規選辦法的規定是就職未滿一年不得提出這個罷免不得提出罷免案所以中選會在審查提議的這個文件的時候我們當然是必須要在滿一年之後我們才可能受理\n一年內收取聯署書可以嗎?在滿一年之前到底他的聯署書是什麼時候收取的我們因為案子我們還沒受理所以無從去查我們無從去審查沒有審查因為媒體在大街小巷都在收取你無法審查我們只是法律沒有規定不能把頭埋在沙子裡就看不到但是我們要依法行政\n的確是有這樣的事情,所以請你調查了解嗎?那最後再請你回後再提書面資料給我。那最後再請跟部長報告,我支持剛剛王美惠所講的李長任滿六屆滿65歲是要提供他一個,現在提議是30萬的一個,給他一個慰問金。\n這個部分其實地方的政府尤其地方的民政機關有在提議說這個部分的錢是不是中央可以來支援因為如果是一次性的話金額才會高達數千萬其實對各台灣的地方政府都是一個財務吃緊的部分那等到這一次如果第一次性的付完了以後等後續的這個錢每年如果有任期滿65歲以上的地方政府來支援這可以來協助嗎?\n是我知道地方政府會有財政上的困難是但是我們也是希望說在審查的時候這個法律可以先通過好那地方政府的經費的話再想說再請部長我們的預算並沒有現在先編列進去對就是後年度才可能會發生再拜託部長來協助好嗎謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.946 --> 00:15.142\n主席好各位委員各位官員大家早有請這個李主委請李主委跟劉部長請劉部長\n\n00:25.046 --> 00:37.191\n好部長好主委好首先要跟部長跟主委請教最近大家所關切非常大的一個國際新聞南韓總統以錫悅在12月3號宣布戒嚴歷時6個小時在12月4號凌晨宣布戒嚴\n\n00:43.894 --> 01:08.330\n但是立法院民進黨黨團卻發文附和支持這樣的舉動,引發大批網友抨擊後刪文,並馬上在4日也澄清絕對不支持戒嚴。消息傳回南韓之後,南韓主流媒體及日本的媒體紛紛報導,直指民進黨支持戒嚴是在野黨批評後才迅速刪除。\n\n01:14.714 --> 01:33.839\n民進黨黨團發文:「南韓國會被親北韓勢力操控,南韓總統乙錫悅為守護民主自由體制,緊急宣布全國戒嚴。」不要懷疑,聽台灣的我們,其實每分每秒無時無刻都在抵抗世界等級的暗黑勢力在侵蝕這個國家。\n\n01:35.319 --> 01:59.326\n可是事實上是什麼呢?事實上是以習越他的聲望低迷在於不僅他的夫人有一些醜聞或一些弊案以及他治國不佳導致南韓十月份的物價指數大漲1.3%物價上漲到自民院士氣而且以習越大力打壓反對派然後也等等的一些問題\n\n02:01.087 --> 02:12.775\n有彈劾他的聲浪,也提出南韓國會因為受在野黨民主黨控制,阻礙以習越的政治議程,讓他感到沮喪。\n\n02:14.520 --> 02:32.897\n我要跟部長講的南韓戒嚴、民進黨聲援全世界都看到這個真的是民進黨的真心化大冒險民進黨搞認知作戰到這樣的程度不僅讓台灣的國際關係低落也傷害國家團結以及民主自由過去以來的民主自由\n\n02:34.998 --> 03:01.951\n賴慶榮總統在國慶演講大聲疾呼要談團結國家安定社會可是現在卻縱容自己本黨民進黨團用認知作戰來分裂國人臺灣是在民國76年解嚴金門是在民國81年解嚴為什麼要請教這個主委跟部長的原因因為只要是這個戒嚴的國家其實就是沒有選舉所以我想要請教李靜永主委跟我們的劉部長\n\n03:02.791 --> 03:06.055\n對於民進黨這樣發文的意見?報告委員,我們內政部並不是戒嚴的主管機關,所以沒有辦法回應。\n\n03:23.471 --> 03:39.197\n我們從媒體報導得知當韓國總統發布這個戒嚴令之後那我們國家的國安單位他們是隨時掌握了相關的訊息那麼也做必要的因應\n\n03:41.837 --> 04:07.745\n同時賴總統雖然仍在國外訪問但是也能夠完全掌握整個的狀況那這樣全盤的看起來是有準備的是有準備的國內各行各業也沒有發生有什麼這個不安或者是動難的一個狀況我們希望我們希望這個國內的這個這個安全社會的安全國家的安全都不會因此而受到任何的影響\n\n04:08.405 --> 04:18.691\n所以主委不支持這樣子的發文內容不僅傷害台灣的國際關係以及傷害台灣的民主自由及國家團結是嗎?中選會對這方面我們不予評論\n\n04:19.565 --> 04:26.011\n二、審查委員曆法院內政委員會經過民進黨三次杯葛議事,今天好不容易立法委員可以上台質詢。在中選會報告中提到謝國良市長的罷免案,\n\n04:42.367 --> 05:06.666\n那我特別要提到我認為罷免案絕對不能是政治惡意罷免尤其這個李酉昌前部長他當時在謝國良市長的罷免案他不僅發臉書需要說這個要來支持這樣的罷免案然後等到這個罷免案結束了以後他才這個10月13號罷免案是罷免案的進行中他在前一天晚上我記得還有發臉書還是什麼的\n\n05:08.087 --> 05:33.551\n然後在10月16號他經媒體採訪的時候他才提出如果是有大罷免的話即便是值得商議討論而且這不是民主常態那我們可以看到現在很多的新聞不管是青鳥等等的活動都在支持大罷免那我是不是想請問一下你們跟這個前內政部部長林佑昌的想法是不是一樣是不是不支持這樣子的大罷免行動是不是請部長跟主委回答\n\n05:37.545 --> 06:04.463\n報告委員我們在主管選舉罷免法的時候其實並沒有政黨的差異任何個人或任何團體按照選舉罷免法所提出的提議連署或者是罷免或者是其他的包括公投在內的創制復決我們一切都是依法行政所以每一個公民有他們的參政權還有言論自由我們都充分尊重我想這是我們憲法所授予民主國家必要的公民的參政權的保障\n\n06:05.049 --> 06:19.628\n好謝謝部長稍等一下齁我想請教部長內政部長林佑昌是說他不支持這樣的大罷免活動也非常太那您的意見是支持所有公民團體不管是政黨的公民團體的自由意識是嗎所以你跟林佑昌的想法是不一樣的\n\n06:20.629 --> 06:36.034\n李佑昌現在是民進黨秘書長,我現在是內政部部長,所以我說內政部所主管的法律裡面,我們是保障每一位公民參政的權利,包括選舉罷免、創制、復決,我們都是依照規定來辦理。\n\n06:41.897 --> 07:05.416\n中選會是一個獨立的機關我們秉持選務中立依法行政的立場對於各項選舉罷免的業務呢都是依法來執行好那接下來馬上請教在選辦法第七十五條就職未滿一年不得提出罷免那可是在內政部的函令是寫說未滿一年進行罷免可徵求提議所以現在離這個就滿\n\n07:06.417 --> 07:34.434\n還沒有未滿一年我想要請教這個主委到底現在在收罷免的聯署書是否合法合規選辦法的規定是就職未滿一年不得提出這個罷免不得提出罷免案所以中選會在審查提議的這個文件的時候我們當然是必須要在滿一年之後我們才可能受理\n\n07:35.214 --> 08:02.174\n一年內收取聯署書可以嗎?在滿一年之前到底他的聯署書是什麼時候收取的我們因為案子我們還沒受理所以無從去查我們無從去審查沒有審查因為媒體在大街小巷都在收取你無法審查我們只是法律沒有規定不能把頭埋在沙子裡就看不到但是我們要依法行政\n\n08:03.426 --> 08:23.295\n的確是有這樣的事情,所以請你調查了解嗎?那最後再請你回後再提書面資料給我。那最後再請跟部長報告,我支持剛剛王美惠所講的李長任滿六屆滿65歲是要提供他一個,現在提議是30萬的一個,給他一個慰問金。\n\n08:24.755 --> 08:47.529\n這個部分其實地方的政府尤其地方的民政機關有在提議說這個部分的錢是不是中央可以來支援因為如果是一次性的話金額才會高達數千萬其實對各台灣的地方政府都是一個財務吃緊的部分那等到這一次如果第一次性的付完了以後等後續的這個錢每年如果有任期滿65歲以上的地方政府來支援這可以來協助嗎?\n\n08:49.798 --> 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