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00:02:00,937\n但是我們可以看到其實現在的這個通貨膨脹還有物價的調漲其實速度非常的快那再加上我們這做了年金改革之後等同於說我們的退休公務人員他們就不能說被撥了兩次皮但他們等於說實質上面他們的退休金能夠使用出去的那又變得更少了\n\n6\n00:02:01,357 --> 00:02:15,708\n所以我們就希望說那現在既然也過了四年了那我們就希望做一個檢討這是第一件事情第二件事情就是剛剛您也提到了在CPI我們就講說呢要超過5%的時候呢那我們跟著調升那我想要請教說有沒有可能我們在版本當中因為現在要討論修法嘛那我們改成CPI3%的時候呢我們就來做調整我跟委員報告說這個幾%要調整是立法政策\n\n7\n00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:43,886\n另外一個議題就是說因為我們其他的所謂有社會保險包括國民年金公保其他都是定5%當初會定這個是因為全國不要有不同的那個所以這是一個要一起來討論的事情但是因為當然一起來討論但比方說像勞保他並沒有被做勞保的勞保改革嘛\n\n8\n00:02:51,289 --> 00:03:07,786\n所以就是說因為那如果真的要講說都一起的話那老寶年金也沒改革啊我講委員跟您報告就是說5%其實沒有達到但是我們每四年也一定會做檢討是所以說現在是到一個檢討的時段所以大家才會在這個時候提出法律的修正案嘛\n\n9\n00:03:08,326 --> 00:03:16,078\n所以我就在想說我們是不是有可能因為看到現在尤其我們看到現在川普上任之後未來可見的未來我們的通貨膨脹還有各式各樣的物價上漲是不是台灣而已是全球都有可能發生的\n\n10\n00:03:23,348 --> 00:03:41,503\n那是不是我們在這個時候針對公務人員他的這個CPI的調漲那可以把這個幅度下降到3%讓他們能夠真的反映到他們的這個退休金上面不要因為物價上漲的關係然後讓他們實質能夠領到的這個月退奉反而是變少了\n\n11\n00:03:41,983 --> 00:03:42,243\n三（委員賴士葆等19人擬具\n\n12\n00:04:09,675 --> 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