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00:01:07,250\n因為投票、選舉是全國一起來的競選活動,多方的候選人一起來表達訴求,然後多方的動員、多方的資源都投入,所以投票率自然會很高。但是罷免選舉、罷免投票往往只有發起方在動員,\n\n4\n00:01:11,612 --> 00:01:35,963\n一方動員的結果當然是投票率相對的比較低所以這個金明典的副秘書長繼續說我們可以看得到2016年新北市第二選區黃國昌當選的時候投票率63%但是罷免的時候投票率只有27%過去投票率大概都可以在六成以上甚至達到八成比如說2020或2024年的選舉台中市第二選區、台北市第五選區\n\n5\n00:01:41,365 --> 00:02:05,808\n這個都是2020年的數據兩個選區都將近有八成的選舉的時候有八成的投票率但是後來被這個提出罷免時的投票率最多最多就是五成最緊繃就是五成所以這是兩個完全不同計算基礎的母數你要來比較同意票數要大於原本的被當選的票數這是完全不可能的\n\n6\n00:02:06,348 --> 00:02:07,448\n二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n\n7\n00:02:23,854 --> 00:02:48,530\n二、審查不優先的審查復國利民的民生法案：把政治性的法案排在第一位,強行通過了違憲的擴權法案。而現在為了保護立法委員自己的權位,避免被罷免急著要修選罷法,提高罷免的難度,我們剛才講的讓罷免變成不可能。可是我們覺得在野黨你提這個法案的時候,你要先回頭想一想自己為什麼?\n\n8\n00:02:50,011 --> 00:03:01,656\n需要這麼做不就是因為你們所修的提案的法律或是你們在立法院的作為如果真的是跟真正的民意站在一起還需要怕被罷免嗎?你們這樣子不顧民生只想擴權政治鬥爭才會害怕被罷免代表站在民意的對立面才會害怕被罷免嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:33,596\n所以增加罷免的難度剝奪民權這個是你們使用的方法而不是回來檢討自己說我是不是站在民意的對立面然後為了保護這些亂來的立委不被罷免然後再提高門檻然後保護自己的權位剝奪了人民的權利這是不應該的而今天我們在講說2019年\n\n10\n00:03:36,621 --> 00:03:50,700\n各位當時是民進黨執政2019年行政院為了防度造假連署當時也曾經提議要修正公投法連署的時候要附身份證影本\n\n11\n00:03:52,437 --> 00:04:06,086\n當時張宏祿、趙薇在排審的時候國民黨的立委總召江啟臣帶領凌晨五點一樣破窗進入會議室霸占主席台在會議室門鎖\n\n12\n00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:36,339\n也一樣灌入三秒焦等方式強力杯葛而當時國民黨的主席江啟臣現在的立法院副院長當時批民進黨所提的修法案是侵害隱私提高聯署難度江啟臣國民黨的訴求說鐵籠公投限縮公民權開民主倒車而當時呢民進黨雖然未有國會多數面對外界的反彈沒有通過公\n\n13\n00:04:37,059 --> 00:04:48,742\n二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六案。二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案。二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案。二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案。二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案。二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案。二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案。二\n\n14\n00:05:06,576 --> 00:05:09,123\n請尊重會議程序。\n\n15\n00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:46,099\n避免造假的連署負身份證銀本為什麼只修選罷法而沒有修到公投法呢?所以今天在這裡我們講說光是利益迴避的這個原則即便你們要修法也應該是從下一屆再實施沒有人說怕自己被罷免現在馬上修法這一屆就馬上適用大家都知道大法官釋字499號說這個是明顯的沒有利益迴避這是自肥法案\n\n16\n00:05:47,322 --> 00:05:48,205\n二、審查委員林淑芬等2\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4582\t32885\t好 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