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00:02:18,402\n主委,那這個有沒有自毀的一個嫌疑呢?那我就是從這一屆開始,在你就是站在這個華麗的一個角度上來講吧。報告委員,這一點我就沒有評論。我著重的這個重點是在於它修法是不適當的。\n\n8\n00:02:20,313 --> 00:02:40,165\n對,所以這個你也認為就是說修法的一個不適當。好,那主委我想就是說再跟你共同的一個探討從1994年到2016年期間幾乎沒有任何大型的一個罷免案。那這個通過罷免的門檻就是因為我們在1994年修法\n\n9\n00:02:43,322 --> 00:02:53,989\n二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六案．計六條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六條及第六十九條條文修正草案．\n\n10\n00:03:09,138 --> 00:03:32,586\n二、審查一九九四年也是韓國瑜及洪秀柱等五案通過第二階段的一個連署的成案。到了一九九四年的十月份這個修法限制罷免不得綁選舉。一連串的一個過程裡頭到了一九九四年的十一月二十七號這個五案精英位那個投票人數未過半然後失敗了。\n\n11\n00:03:33,146 --> 00:03:47,276\n那現在2024年國民黨又玩了一次又重來那主委你認為就是今天國民黨的修法的版本假設通過了以後是不是就是在沒收人民的罷免權\n\n12\n00:03:48,837 --> 00:04:11,506\n對於人民罷免權是一種限制在既有的條件規定之外另外加上的限制我們認為站在憲法保障公民參政權的立場上這個是要非常非常的慎重主委如果這個選罷法就是沒說人民的一個罷免權這個有沒有違憲\n\n13\n00:04:15,461 --> 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