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00:02:42,655\n不得向中選會提出罷免提議所以換句話說在我們現在選罷法的規定裡面有人可以比如說選輸了立刻找自己的競選團隊開始罷免對手可不可以\n\n8\n00:02:43,561 --> 00:02:45,884\n二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n\n9\n00:03:00,262 --> 00:03:20,804\n因為我選輸你而你的得票比較高下次要選行遠離你不容易所以乾脆呢我第二天就開始啟動罷免把你罷免掉利用這個罷免門檻比較低希望能夠爭取第二次罷免的機會這個就是我們現在選辦法最荒謬的地方人家可能一天都還沒開始做就準備要被罷免了主委你認同這種惡罷嗎\n\n10\n00:03:23,311 --> 00:03:35,318\n審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計六案．計七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計八條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計八條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計八條及第六十九條條文修正草案．\n\n11\n00:03:45,275 --> 00:04:10,913\n因為選贏你不容易啊他們要爭取再次翻盤的機會嘛願賭不服輸嘛所以不需要把罷免講得好像哎呀什麼沒收民權啊這個不是沒收民權啊這個是沒收別人政治鬥爭願賭不服輸的這個權利讓他們一罷再罷一罷再罷搞得每年都要選舉可以這樣子喔好再來啊我念一段話啦看一下主委認不認同啊\n\n12\n00:04:11,753 --> 00:04:26,930\n而說單一席次往往造成高票當選低票罷免少數民意否決多數民意的狀況這個是民主機制的謬誤應該罷免同意票要多於當初的得票一票請問一下你認同這樣的說法嗎\n\n13\n00:04:28,459 --> 00:04:49,825\n你認同嗎?這個就是今天我們討論的重點。你認不認同?我個人不認同。那你就打臉郭國文了啦!因為這個是郭國文的主張啊!當時郭國文提出這個案子還有好幾位民進黨的立委連署。所以著是輕非啊!類似的版本民進黨提很多,不是只有郭國文。賴瑞榮也提到一模一樣的案子啊!\n\n14\n00:04:51,458 --> 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