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00:00:48,811\n這個其實我們今天問了一整天都是在問這個有關這個鳥籠罷免的事情那這個鳥籠罷免其實已經有一條在朝野協商了就是身份證連署的事情要付身份證影本那另外還有一個就是今天本來要去審查的就是說這個我們要把它加嚴那就是說除了這個身份證影本之外你這個罷免的票數要比當選的票數還要高這就是鳥籠罷免那其實剛剛\n\n3\n00:00:54,841 --> 00:01:17,601\n很多委員都已經有提過了那我先問這一個內政部劉部長請問一下我今天看到一則新聞他就說這一個內政部這個解除這個前南投縣這個十起委員議員他是中配的資格請問一下為什麼是所以他已經這一個卸任了那為什麼是解除他的資格\n\n4\n00:01:18,061 --> 00:01:45,818\n是,因為我們根據國籍法二十條就是說有這個具有中國籍的這個台灣的這個有戶籍的這個人參選他當選上以後根據國籍法呢他應該要放棄他國國籍那給他們一年的時間來放棄那因為十選院議員呢他是遞補上去的所以呢在那個南投縣議會公告他當選以後呢他其實我們發現到說他在一年內啊\n\n5\n00:01:46,818 --> 00:01:55,735\n並沒有放棄他的他國國籍所以我們就引用國籍法已經發公文給石雪業本人還有南投縣議會就解除他的議員的職務\n\n6\n00:01:57,458 --> 00:02:26,350\n所以說他沒有放棄中國的國籍就對了嗎目前是這樣子有沒有放棄中國國籍這是第一個在我們的相關的護意證系統裡面查不到那要希望他能夠提出他具體的證明說他有沒有放棄那我們也問過南投縣議會南投縣議會應該在一年前就知道這個部分那南投縣議會也沒有辦法回應這個問題所以我們的判斷是他並沒有放棄就是他沒有辦法提出證明他有放棄中國的國籍就對了是\n\n7\n00:02:27,210 --> 00:02:32,677\n按照國籍法第十條規定外國人不得擔任總統副總統國籍法第20條也規定說中華民國國民取得外國國籍者\n\n8\n00:02:42,468 --> 00:03:02,171\n不得擔任中華民國的公職然後呢總統副總統選舉罷免法也規定說具有外國國籍者不得申請登記為總統副總統候選人這規定很清楚但是呢關於這個縣市首長立法委員或是說什麼縣市議員有沒有說具有雙重國籍不能登記參選\n\n9\n00:03:04,236 --> 00:03:24,546\n他只要是符合選罷法的規定涉及在我們他的選區裡面四個月以上他是具有中華民國國籍符合涉及的要件即便是他有外國的國籍所謂的雙重國籍並無礙於他的候選人的資格\n\n10\n00:03:24,986 --> 00:03:27,108\n審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：計六案：計六案：\n\n11\n00:03:40,179 --> 00:03:53,546\n審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案�\n\n12\n00:03:59,329 --> 00:04:23,695\n就是你就是當選無效嘛是不是要解職要解職好那我現在問一個比較實際的問題我剛才看到這個陸委會他最新的一個民調有74%的人認為中配擔任立法委員等公職需要放棄中華人民共和國的國籍這是我剛才看到這個陸委會最新的民調74%認為說如果是中配啊\n\n13\n00:04:25,776 --> 00:04:31,543\n二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n\n14\n00:04:46,019 --> 00:05:08,567\n報告委員在立法委員宣誓的那一天是對著大法官宣誓的所以你們會有個拒絕書就是要克遵中華民國的憲法那還有我了解就是立法委員也要簽一個沒有這個其他國籍的這樣子的拒絕書所以他在當選的那一天就已經告訴這個臺灣的中華民國的人民說他已經只有具備中華民國國籍\n\n15\n00:05:09,907 --> 00:05:14,169\n二、審查委員蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n\n16\n00:05:30,597 --> 00:05:58,576\n這個要由立法院來決定因為第一個是如果他現在是當選的狀態當中要解職不符合國籍法的規定要解職的話要由立法院來告訴他他被解職因為這是一層一層轉這個層轉上去的那由立法院來決定說他在這個服務的這個時間呢他需不需要退還他在立法委員裡面所取得的薪水及其他相關的薪資補貼\n\n17\n00:06:00,357 --> 00:06:23,350\n我是想其實我們這個公職人員選舉罷免法應該做個修正因為你現在就是說雙重國籍你可以參選但是你如果當選之後你要才能放棄一年之內放棄會有這個一年的空窗期其實應該像這個總統副總統選舉罷免法一樣就是說你如果具有雙重國籍的話其實你就不能登記參選或是說你如果是不分區的話你就是不能登記為這個不分區的候選人\n\n18\n00:06:25,251 --> 00:06:27,552\n委員報告選罷法第六十七條被取消,註銷當選立法委員的資格,現在引用國籍法為原則。\n\n19\n00:06:40,317 --> 00:07:08,543\n我是希望說不要有這個漏洞或是空窗期就變成說大家就是你在參選的時候具有雙重國籍那變成說你當選一年之內你才要放棄那就會衍生成說像現在這個民眾黨的他這個不分區的立委或是像這一個南投縣這個議員一樣明明具有這一個雙重國籍但是他一樣可以這個登記為不分區或是一樣可以來參選縣市議員甚至搞不好參選立委都有可能\n\n20\n00:07:09,803 --> 00:07:13,607\n報告委員,就我所了解,包括縣市議會、臺北市議會跟高雄市議會都曾經把我們在民國98年的時候所謂國籍法裡面不允許雙重國籍的部分發給其他的當選的議員,請他們簽所以事實上確實有議員本身因為有雙重國籍然後被取消他的當選資格的\n\n21\n00:07:32,944 --> 00:07:57,573\n所以我還是一樣就是第一個議會自己本身其實就是所謂的這個民意代表的一個主管機關它是否具有雙重國籍還是按照國籍法的規定能夠做嚴格的把關那立法院咧那我也知道立法院就是要立法院要立法院譬如說可能要立法院院會通過那那個我也知道有些立委也提出比較嚴格的這個修正案謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8308\t20799\t謝謝主席,那我們請這個劉部長,或是這個李朱偉,等一下我質詢的部分會就交這兩位。好,請劉部長,還有李朱偉。我們一起好了,沒關係。\n24780\t48811\t這個其實我們今天問了一整天都是在問這個有關這個鳥籠罷免的事情那這個鳥籠罷免其實已經有一條在朝野協商了就是身份證連署的事情要付身份證影本那另外還有一個就是今天本來要去審查的就是說這個我們要把它加嚴那就是說除了這個身份證影本之外你這個罷免的票數要比當選的票數還要高這就是鳥籠罷免那其實剛剛\n54841\t77601\t很多委員都已經有提過了那我先問這一個內政部劉部長請問一下我今天看到一則新聞他就說這一個內政部這個解除這個前南投縣這個十起委員議員他是中配的資格請問一下為什麼是所以他已經這一個卸任了那為什麼是解除他的資格\n78061\t105818\t是,因為我們根據國籍法二十條就是說有這個具有中國籍的這個台灣的這個有戶籍的這個人參選他當選上以後根據國籍法呢他應該要放棄他國國籍那給他們一年的時間來放棄那因為十選院議員呢他是遞補上去的所以呢在那個南投縣議會公告他當選以後呢他其實我們發現到說他在一年內啊\n106818\t115735\t並沒有放棄他的他國國籍所以我們就引用國籍法已經發公文給石雪業本人還有南投縣議會就解除他的議員的職務\n117458\t146350\t所以說他沒有放棄中國的國籍就對了嗎目前是這樣子有沒有放棄中國國籍這是第一個在我們的相關的護意證系統裡面查不到那要希望他能夠提出他具體的證明說他有沒有放棄那我們也問過南投縣議會南投縣議會應該在一年前就知道這個部分那南投縣議會也沒有辦法回應這個問題所以我們的判斷是他並沒有放棄就是他沒有辦法提出證明他有放棄中國的國籍就對了是\n147210\t152677\t按照國籍法第十條規定外國人不得擔任總統副總統國籍法第20條也規定說中華民國國民取得外國國籍者\n162468\t182171\t不得擔任中華民國的公職然後呢總統副總統選舉罷免法也規定說具有外國國籍者不得申請登記為總統副總統候選人這規定很清楚但是呢關於這個縣市首長立法委員或是說什麼縣市議員有沒有說具有雙重國籍不能登記參選\n184236\t204546\t他只要是符合選罷法的規定涉及在我們他的選區裡面四個月以上他是具有中華民國國籍符合涉及的要件即便是他有外國的國籍所謂的雙重國籍並無礙於他的候選人的資格\n204986\t207108\t審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：計六案：計六案：\n220179\t233546\t審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案： 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公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案�\n239329\t263695\t就是你就是當選無效嘛是不是要解職要解職好那我現在問一個比較實際的問題我剛才看到這個陸委會他最新的一個民調有74%的人認為中配擔任立法委員等公職需要放棄中華人民共和國的國籍這是我剛才看到這個陸委會最新的民調74%認為說如果是中配啊\n265776\t271543\t二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n286019\t308567\t報告委員在立法委員宣誓的那一天是對著大法官宣誓的所以你們會有個拒絕書就是要克遵中華民國的憲法那還有我了解就是立法委員也要簽一個沒有這個其他國籍的這樣子的拒絕書所以他在當選的那一天就已經告訴這個臺灣的中華民國的人民說他已經只有具備中華民國國籍\n309907\t314169\t二、審查委員蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n330597\t358576\t這個要由立法院來決定因為第一個是如果他現在是當選的狀態當中要解職不符合國籍法的規定要解職的話要由立法院來告訴他他被解職因為這是一層一層轉這個層轉上去的那由立法院來決定說他在這個服務的這個時間呢他需不需要退還他在立法委員裡面所取得的薪水及其他相關的薪資補貼\n360357\t383350\t我是想其實我們這個公職人員選舉罷免法應該做個修正因為你現在就是說雙重國籍你可以參選但是你如果當選之後你要才能放棄一年之內放棄會有這個一年的空窗期其實應該像這個總統副總統選舉罷免法一樣就是說你如果具有雙重國籍的話其實你就不能登記參選或是說你如果是不分區的話你就是不能登記為這個不分區的候選人\n385251\t387552\t委員報告選罷法第六十七條被取消,註銷當選立法委員的資格,現在引用國籍法為原則。\n400317\t428543\t我是希望說不要有這個漏洞或是空窗期就變成說大家就是你在參選的時候具有雙重國籍那變成說你當選一年之內你才要放棄那就會衍生成說像現在這個民眾黨的他這個不分區的立委或是像這一個南投縣這個議員一樣明明具有這一個雙重國籍但是他一樣可以這個登記為不分區或是一樣可以來參選縣市議員甚至搞不好參選立委都有可能\n429803\t433607\t報告委員,就我所了解,包括縣市議會、臺北市議會跟高雄市議會都曾經把我們在民國98年的時候所謂國籍法裡面不允許雙重國籍的部分發給其他的當選的議員,請他們簽所以事實上確實有議員本身因為有雙重國籍然後被取消他的當選資格的\n452944\t477573\t所以我還是一樣就是第一個議會自己本身其實就是所謂的這個民意代表的一個主管機關它是否具有雙重國籍還是按照國籍法的規定能夠做嚴格的把關那立法院咧那我也知道立法院就是要立法院要立法院譬如說可能要立法院院會通過那那個我也知道有些立委也提出比較嚴格的這個修正案謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席,那我們請這個劉部長,或是這個李朱偉,等一下我質詢的部分會就交這兩位。好,請劉部長,還有李朱偉。我們一起好了,沒關係。\n這個其實我們今天問了一整天都是在問這個有關這個鳥籠罷免的事情那這個鳥籠罷免其實已經有一條在朝野協商了就是身份證連署的事情要付身份證影本那另外還有一個就是今天本來要去審查的就是說這個我們要把它加嚴那就是說除了這個身份證影本之外你這個罷免的票數要比當選的票數還要高這就是鳥籠罷免那其實剛剛\n很多委員都已經有提過了那我先問這一個內政部劉部長請問一下我今天看到一則新聞他就說這一個內政部這個解除這個前南投縣這個十起委員議員他是中配的資格請問一下為什麼是所以他已經這一個卸任了那為什麼是解除他的資格\n是,因為我們根據國籍法二十條就是說有這個具有中國籍的這個台灣的這個有戶籍的這個人參選他當選上以後根據國籍法呢他應該要放棄他國國籍那給他們一年的時間來放棄那因為十選院議員呢他是遞補上去的所以呢在那個南投縣議會公告他當選以後呢他其實我們發現到說他在一年內啊\n並沒有放棄他的他國國籍所以我們就引用國籍法已經發公文給石雪業本人還有南投縣議會就解除他的議員的職務\n所以說他沒有放棄中國的國籍就對了嗎目前是這樣子有沒有放棄中國國籍這是第一個在我們的相關的護意證系統裡面查不到那要希望他能夠提出他具體的證明說他有沒有放棄那我們也問過南投縣議會南投縣議會應該在一年前就知道這個部分那南投縣議會也沒有辦法回應這個問題所以我們的判斷是他並沒有放棄就是他沒有辦法提出證明他有放棄中國的國籍就對了是\n按照國籍法第十條規定外國人不得擔任總統副總統國籍法第20條也規定說中華民國國民取得外國國籍者\n不得擔任中華民國的公職然後呢總統副總統選舉罷免法也規定說具有外國國籍者不得申請登記為總統副總統候選人這規定很清楚但是呢關於這個縣市首長立法委員或是說什麼縣市議員有沒有說具有雙重國籍不能登記參選\n他只要是符合選罷法的規定涉及在我們他的選區裡面四個月以上他是具有中華民國國籍符合涉及的要件即便是他有外國的國籍所謂的雙重國籍並無礙於他的候選人的資格\n審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案：計六案：計六案：\n審查委員楊曜等17人擬具:「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案： 公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案： 公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案： 公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案： 公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案： 公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案�\n就是你就是當選無效嘛是不是要解職要解職好那我現在問一個比較實際的問題我剛才看到這個陸委會他最新的一個民調有74%的人認為中配擔任立法委員等公職需要放棄中華人民共和國的國籍這是我剛才看到這個陸委會最新的民調74%認為說如果是中配啊\n二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n報告委員在立法委員宣誓的那一天是對著大法官宣誓的所以你們會有個拒絕書就是要克遵中華民國的憲法那還有我了解就是立法委員也要簽一個沒有這個其他國籍的這樣子的拒絕書所以他在當選的那一天就已經告訴這個臺灣的中華民國的人民說他已經只有具備中華民國國籍\n二、審查委員蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蘇清泉等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。\n這個要由立法院來決定因為第一個是如果他現在是當選的狀態當中要解職不符合國籍法的規定要解職的話要由立法院來告訴他他被解職因為這是一層一層轉這個層轉上去的那由立法院來決定說他在這個服務的這個時間呢他需不需要退還他在立法委員裡面所取得的薪水及其他相關的薪資補貼\n我是想其實我們這個公職人員選舉罷免法應該做個修正因為你現在就是說雙重國籍你可以參選但是你如果當選之後你要才能放棄一年之內放棄會有這個一年的空窗期其實應該像這個總統副總統選舉罷免法一樣就是說你如果具有雙重國籍的話其實你就不能登記參選或是說你如果是不分區的話你就是不能登記為這個不分區的候選人\n委員報告選罷法第六十七條被取消,註銷當選立法委員的資格,現在引用國籍法為原則。\n我是希望說不要有這個漏洞或是空窗期就變成說大家就是你在參選的時候具有雙重國籍那變成說你當選一年之內你才要放棄那就會衍生成說像現在這個民眾黨的他這個不分區的立委或是像這一個南投縣這個議員一樣明明具有這一個雙重國籍但是他一樣可以這個登記為不分區或是一樣可以來參選縣市議員甚至搞不好參選立委都有可能\n報告委員,就我所了解,包括縣市議會、臺北市議會跟高雄市議會都曾經把我們在民國98年的時候所謂國籍法裡面不允許雙重國籍的部分發給其他的當選的議員,請他們簽所以事實上確實有議員本身因為有雙重國籍然後被取消他的當選資格的\n所以我還是一樣就是第一個議會自己本身其實就是所謂的這個民意代表的一個主管機關它是否具有雙重國籍還是按照國籍法的規定能夠做嚴格的把關那立法院咧那我也知道立法院就是要立法院要立法院譬如說可能要立法院院會通過那那個我也知道有些立委也提出比較嚴格的這個修正案謝謝部長謝謝主委謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.308 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