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00:00:32,708\n部長有關地中海榮耀號現在據我所知還有1800個人目前是正困在這個納坝在日本那能不能麻煩您跟我們先因為全國民眾都很關心這個議題能不能麻煩您跟我們先講說現在目前最新的狀況是怎麼樣\n\n3\n00:00:33,869 --> 00:00:52,090\n跟委員報告昨天發生這件事情之後我們的這個航港局就積極在協調包含民航局還有觀光署也積極在協調這件事我們希望在第一時間可以讓我們的民眾趕快回到臺灣所以我們經過協調之後今天跟明天總共會有\n\n4\n00:00:52,631 --> 00:00:57,414\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n5\n00:01:15,686 --> 00:01:19,529\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n6\n00:01:31,417 --> 00:01:49,767\n回來臺灣的部分的運費票價的部分應該由船公司來吸收他們也同意所以有可能我剛剛在講的748位是擴大機型的部分如果我們用包機的方式在明天跟後天可以加入的話我想運輸的速度會更快\n\n7\n00:01:50,487 --> 00:02:20,287\n所以應該是說理論上聽部長這樣報告理論上應該是後天甚至大後天才能全部運回來運完畢對不對如果你要全部回來的話可能要到大後天大後天所以不過就是不管是說有關這個機票還是當地的旅客當地的旅館也好都是由船公司來負責船公司來負責也跟委員報告就是說那艘船雖然不能夠移動但是它上面的設備設施都還可以使用\n\n8\n00:02:20,647 --> 00:02:22,209\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n9\n00:02:40,186 --> 00:03:02,469\n那既然講到這一個有關這個航道的有關這個航運的事情的話我順便想請問一下就是說請問一下有關航運安全的政策跟跟航運安全的鑑定是哪個單位去處理的是港務公司呢還是航港局應該是航港局好那我想請問一下就是因為現在基隆有另外一個議題除了郵輪之外就是所謂的市街\n\n10\n00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:29,150\n那世界的議題來講的話如果說以前我因為我以前在港務公司工作過所以2015年的時候我有看過那份報告就是說其實2015年的報告跟我講說在港區如果說是密集人口密集的地方其實是非常不適合LNG也就是所謂的液態天然氣去上傳或下載可是呢我現在這邊看到就是說在這個\n\n11\n00:03:30,811 --> 00:03:47,932\n有關臺電做出來的報告也就是說臺電似乎要在四街也就是在基隆港的港嘴要去做出一個所謂的LNG的這個發電廠而不是當年是2015其實是2012年的報告本來在高雄外海要去做出一個LNG的轉運站在旗津外海\n\n12\n00:03:48,493 --> 00:03:49,854\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n13\n00:04:13,808 --> 00:04:31,303\n國際商港的航道來去做這個LNG這個液態天然氣的運輸上載或下載或上傳那我就想請問一下說在這個報告裡面我如果記憶沒有錯的話每年基隆港所帶給國家的稅收盈利是1100億\n\n14\n00:04:33,044 --> 00:04:58,500\n也就是說一天就有3億的收入那我們也知道說如果有擱淺的狀況一台船擱淺跟一台車在路邊報廢那個處理的時間完全不一樣豫州號現在還是留在這個金山萬里的外海嘛那變成是說假設LNG船我們先不要考慮說極端氣極端狀況就是LNG出問題那如果只要這艘船在航道上面能夠擱淺\n\n15\n00:04:59,801 --> 00:05:03,685\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n16\n00:05:20,499 --> 00:05:37,841\n我們請航港局長跟委員報告我想針對世界的這個建設呢當時在過去已經有責成經濟部已經有責成台電公司委託專業的第三公正單位來進行這個超船模擬的這個驗證\n\n17\n00:05:39,102 --> 00:05:40,524\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n18\n00:05:58,422 --> 00:06:03,823\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n19\n00:06:19,335 --> 00:06:28,754\n那請問您知道說現在目前預定地這個跟陳部長上任之前就出來了請問您知道中山區基隆市中山區人口密度有多少?請問您知道旁邊住多少人?\n\n20\n00:06:30,269 --> 00:06:53,874\n請問您知道嗎?那您現在在跟我講說我們要因為是這個理論上OK所以旁邊住至少超過五千人的這個五千人的里因為從旁邊差不多有記得沒有錯的話應該有三個到四個里是靠近這個港區這個未來準備要做四階碼頭的附近應該有五千個居民然後臺中西碼頭那邊也有五千個居民嗎?\n\n21\n00:06:55,191 --> 00:06:57,353\n四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n22\n00:07:17,988 --> 00:07:28,899\n這個完全沒有任何質疑的餘地如果2015年港務公司跟我講說高雄港港區絕對不能做LNG的話那你現在跟我講說基隆港港區就要做個LNG的發電廠請問一下部長您覺得這個情何以堪啊\n\n23\n00:07:35,097 --> 00:07:50,585\n我想這個安全性的問題一定要用科學的方式下去評估啦那個評估出來如果真的是不安全那當然不能做那評估出來如果是安全的話那也要有辦法說服我們大家說他怎麼樣可以帶來大家的安全\n\n24\n00:07:51,505 --> 00:08:10,791\n所以這個部分當然目前設定的點是設定在那個地方那目前還在這個環評的過程當中我相信基隆市政府也應該也有提出他們的這方面的意見那這個部分其實在環評的會議裡面大家可以去討論那也可以用科學的方式下去做驗證本席的態度很簡單因為一方面來講是整個\n\n25\n00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:18,278\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n26\n00:08:30,453 --> 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--> 00:03.089\n請陳部長\n\n00:15.646 --> 00:32.708\n部長有關地中海榮耀號現在據我所知還有1800個人目前是正困在這個納坝在日本那能不能麻煩您跟我們先因為全國民眾都很關心這個議題能不能麻煩您跟我們先講說現在目前最新的狀況是怎麼樣\n\n00:33.869 --> 00:52.090\n跟委員報告昨天發生這件事情之後我們的這個航港局就積極在協調包含民航局還有觀光署也積極在協調這件事我們希望在第一時間可以讓我們的民眾趕快回到臺灣所以我們經過協調之後今天跟明天總共會有\n\n00:52.631 --> 00:57.414\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n01:15.686 --> 01:19.529\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n01:31.417 --> 01:49.767\n回來臺灣的部分的運費票價的部分應該由船公司來吸收他們也同意所以有可能我剛剛在講的748位是擴大機型的部分如果我們用包機的方式在明天跟後天可以加入的話我想運輸的速度會更快\n\n01:50.487 --> 02:20.287\n所以應該是說理論上聽部長這樣報告理論上應該是後天甚至大後天才能全部運回來運完畢對不對如果你要全部回來的話可能要到大後天大後天所以不過就是不管是說有關這個機票還是當地的旅客當地的旅館也好都是由船公司來負責船公司來負責也跟委員報告就是說那艘船雖然不能夠移動但是它上面的設備設施都還可以使用\n\n02:20.647 --> 02:22.209\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n02:40.186 --> 03:02.469\n那既然講到這一個有關這個航道的有關這個航運的事情的話我順便想請問一下就是說請問一下有關航運安全的政策跟跟航運安全的鑑定是哪個單位去處理的是港務公司呢還是航港局應該是航港局好那我想請問一下就是因為現在基隆有另外一個議題除了郵輪之外就是所謂的市街\n\n03:03.510 --> 03:29.150\n那世界的議題來講的話如果說以前我因為我以前在港務公司工作過所以2015年的時候我有看過那份報告就是說其實2015年的報告跟我講說在港區如果說是密集人口密集的地方其實是非常不適合LNG也就是所謂的液態天然氣去上傳或下載可是呢我現在這邊看到就是說在這個\n\n03:30.811 --> 03:47.932\n有關臺電做出來的報告也就是說臺電似乎要在四街也就是在基隆港的港嘴要去做出一個所謂的LNG的這個發電廠而不是當年是2015其實是2012年的報告本來在高雄外海要去做出一個LNG的轉運站在旗津外海\n\n03:48.493 --> 03:49.854\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n04:13.808 --> 04:31.303\n國際商港的航道來去做這個LNG這個液態天然氣的運輸上載或下載或上傳那我就想請問一下說在這個報告裡面我如果記憶沒有錯的話每年基隆港所帶給國家的稅收盈利是1100億\n\n04:33.044 --> 04:58.500\n也就是說一天就有3億的收入那我們也知道說如果有擱淺的狀況一台船擱淺跟一台車在路邊報廢那個處理的時間完全不一樣豫州號現在還是留在這個金山萬里的外海嘛那變成是說假設LNG船我們先不要考慮說極端氣極端狀況就是LNG出問題那如果只要這艘船在航道上面能夠擱淺\n\n04:59.801 --> 05:03.685\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:20.499 --> 05:37.841\n我們請航港局長跟委員報告我想針對世界的這個建設呢當時在過去已經有責成經濟部已經有責成台電公司委託專業的第三公正單位來進行這個超船模擬的這個驗證\n\n05:39.102 --> 05:40.524\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:58.422 --> 06:03.823\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:19.335 --> 06:28.754\n那請問您知道說現在目前預定地這個跟陳部長上任之前就出來了請問您知道中山區基隆市中山區人口密度有多少?請問您知道旁邊住多少人?\n\n06:30.269 --> 06:53.874\n請問您知道嗎?那您現在在跟我講說我們要因為是這個理論上OK所以旁邊住至少超過五千人的這個五千人的里因為從旁邊差不多有記得沒有錯的話應該有三個到四個里是靠近這個港區這個未來準備要做四階碼頭的附近應該有五千個居民然後臺中西碼頭那邊也有五千個居民嗎?\n\n06:55.191 --> 06:57.353\n四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n07:17.988 --> 07:28.899\n這個完全沒有任何質疑的餘地如果2015年港務公司跟我講說高雄港港區絕對不能做LNG的話那你現在跟我講說基隆港港區就要做個LNG的發電廠請問一下部長您覺得這個情何以堪啊\n\n07:35.097 --> 07:50.585\n我想這個安全性的問題一定要用科學的方式下去評估啦那個評估出來如果真的是不安全那當然不能做那評估出來如果是安全的話那也要有辦法說服我們大家說他怎麼樣可以帶來大家的安全\n\n07:51.505 --> 08:10.791\n所以這個部分當然目前設定的點是設定在那個地方那目前還在這個環評的過程當中我相信基隆市政府也應該也有提出他們的這方面的意見那這個部分其實在環評的會議裡面大家可以去討論那也可以用科學的方式下去做驗證本席的態度很簡單因為一方面來講是整個\n\n08:12.992 --> 08:18.278\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n08:30.453 --> 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