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00:00:37,314\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n4\n00:00:54,369 --> 00:00:58,732\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n5\n00:01:22,066 --> 00:01:23,266\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n6\n00:01:39,571 --> 00:01:41,852\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n7\n00:02:03,021 --> 00:02:09,047\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n8\n00:02:29,545 --> 00:02:30,466\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n9\n00:02:50,006 --> 00:02:52,749\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n10\n00:03:07,845 --> 00:03:11,646\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11\n00:03:37,432 --> 00:03:43,450\n我們台鐵竟然有員工他每天工作要將近15小時\n\n12\n00:03:45,026 --> 00:03:48,648\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n13\n00:04:12,108 --> 00:04:14,910\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n14\n00:04:27,941 --> 00:04:47,960\n那剛剛委員提及的這個工作的時間以及工作的負荷基本上我們很注意我們還是符合勞基法的規定但是在這個規定之下怎麼樣能夠讓同仁的負擔不要那麼重同仁的負擔很重啦董事長跟部長我提醒你們一下\n\n15\n00:04:49,502 --> 00:05:03,853\n我們臺鐵加班時數以及人數的統計我們看到30至35小時有469人那35至40小時有511人那40小時以上的有891人加班的總人數是達到5725人加班30小時以上的就有1871人那這個問題\n\n16\n00:05:18,021 --> 00:05:43,310\n我看我們負責臺鐵營運安全最重要兩個單位營運安全處跟職業安全衛生室他們的這個工時是平均的前兩名他們是要負責營運安全他們工時那麼長這個對營運安全我認為是很大的一個考驗社會也會質疑來董事長說明一下是來跟委員報告剛剛委員講的這個是事實\n\n17\n00:05:46,491 --> 00:05:52,877\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n18\n00:06:07,990 --> 00:06:26,504\n那這個部分我們會從兩個方式來處理第一個就是說我們會再去調整他的原額讓他每一個人平均能分擔的工作能夠降下來部長跟董事長我們現在最嚴重的問題是人力不足的問題我看我們的法定原額是16330人\n\n19\n00:06:28,626 --> 00:06:29,967\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n20\n00:06:43,250 --> 00:07:06,406\n我看我們臺鐵問題薪資待遇就是個問題那很多新進人員他們把臺鐵因為薪資待遇以及工時的問題所以將臺鐵作為一個跳板就進來之後他們累積經驗或是有這個經歷之後他們要轉到其他的軌道運輸的事業或其他的國營事業那\n\n21\n00:07:08,922 --> 00:07:30,920\n工務跟電務是最嚴重的新進人員離職率將近五成運供機電的工務跟電務這個最嚴重當事長是不是這樣來你説明一下那如果改善嘛你説明一下嘛工電的這個因為它是比較有技術性的那的確有這個情形\n\n22\n00:07:31,761 --> 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