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00:00:10,410\n好,謝謝主席。有請我們交通部陳部長。好,請陳部長。航港局業局長。好,業局長。跟我們港務公司李董事長。李董事長,謝謝。\n\n2\n00:00:17,934 --> 00:00:42,643\n當然首先第一個問題剛剛很多委員都問過了這個榮耀號最多可以載5000多個客戶可以講說是我們疫情復出之後以臺灣作為母港的一個非常重要的遊艇那現在的一個情況就是我們4號出發的這一團在6號就故障了那我先問一下部長你是幾號知道的\n\n3\n00:00:43,263 --> 00:00:47,209\n四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n4\n00:00:58,062 --> 00:01:03,184\n八、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n5\n00:01:21,479 --> 00:01:26,564\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。\n\n6\n00:01:43,780 --> 00:02:09,386\n好,這昨天說的至少待到週一之前可是剛剛部長說的那顯然沒有那麼簡單因為兩天班機大概700多人這個放大這個飛機機型嘛大概可以多載700多人回國啦那現在那邊有1800多人嘛除了零星走的我們大概知道大概還有1100位那現在遇到的一個情況是這樣就是說你\n\n7\n00:02:11,331 --> 00:02:17,815\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n8\n00:02:37,227 --> 00:02:37,707\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n9\n00:03:07,447 --> 00:03:09,108\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n10\n00:03:28,118 --> 00:03:28,939\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11\n00:03:48,702 --> 00:03:49,403\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12\n00:04:03,137 --> 00:04:08,339\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n13\n00:04:31,169 --> 00:04:32,630\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:04:56,252 --> 00:05:18,621\n是,報告委員,這未來是我們爭取國外旅客一個非常重要的一個管道,就是透過郵輪所以我們在各個港口的建制,我們硬體先建好,客人還沒來之前硬體要先做好那我們歡迎客人來,那這個部分我們港澳公司也積極在各個國家在所有的郵輪的展的過程當中都會盡量去遊說其他國家的郵輪可以來到臺灣\n\n15\n00:05:20,981 --> 00:05:38,496\n這我想不管是港務公司、航港局你們要更精確的、更專業的我們不懂船啦那可是旅客就是旅遊嘛那這些的這個不管是我們很多的公司好不容易招攬了這麼多的旅客遇到一些問題第一個我們要盡量提早知道\n\n16\n00:05:39,136 --> 00:05:40,778\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n17\n00:06:00,379 --> 00:06:01,060\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n18\n00:06:15,370 --> 00:06:16,911\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n19\n00:06:45,750 --> 00:06:49,732\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n20\n00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,121\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n21\n00:07:35,746 --> 00:07:57,751\n這個最好是今天因為你如果沒有再密集的能夠把我們自己國人載回來的話會產生先後次序的剝奪感我真的不騙你換我拿一家旅行社他最大大尾全部都走了剩下一些人在後面我是覺得只要密集我們就同一天早晚班或者明天早班機大家都可以忍耐\n\n22\n00:07:58,271 --> 00:08:02,714\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n23\n00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:52,853\n沒有問題委員這個我們來努力好那稍等一下齁那接著這個情況齁既然是郵輪在復甦的過程中我就提一個建議了齁當然我們現在有很多港啦但主要目前我們郵輪看去年今年的旅客的來源他停泊的港齁在基隆港跟高雄港人數是第一名第二名但是呢我們看人數的一個差距齁就是基隆港大概平均是一年八十萬人次\n\n24\n00:08:54,214 --> 00:09:17,250\n高雄港現在大概是8到9萬人次大概9到10倍的一個差距其實很好理解啦因為船不是載出去海上釣魚嘛他停到下一個接近的城市嘛可能日本、韓國比較城市那未來搞不好台中如果兩岸如果悄悄的話搞不好台中港能最多那坦白講現在不講不過現在有個問題\n\n25\n00:09:20,052 --> 00:09:21,174\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n26\n00:09:37,881 --> 00:09:38,402\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n27\n00:09:56,024 --> 00:09:58,286\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n28\n00:10:21,127 --> 00:10:22,348\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n29\n00:10:40,469 --> 00:10:43,390\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n30\n00:11:05,594 --> 00:11:07,675\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n31\n00:11:25,419 --> 00:11:26,761\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n32\n00:11:42,603 --> 00:11:44,625\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n33\n00:12:01,345 --> 00:12:15,482\n我們來看這個人數旅客的人數確實在基東港非常的多那要增加閘口也是必然要做的事情所以是不是請港務公司我們來討論一下西岸那目前西岸的話大概一個小時可以通關3100人\n\n34\n00:12:17,684 --> 00:12:19,045\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n35\n00:12:35,697 --> 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--> 00:10.410\n好,謝謝主席。有請我們交通部陳部長。好,請陳部長。航港局業局長。好,業局長。跟我們港務公司李董事長。李董事長,謝謝。\n\n00:17.934 --> 00:42.643\n當然首先第一個問題剛剛很多委員都問過了這個榮耀號最多可以載5000多個客戶可以講說是我們疫情復出之後以臺灣作為母港的一個非常重要的遊艇那現在的一個情況就是我們4號出發的這一團在6號就故障了那我先問一下部長你是幾號知道的\n\n00:43.263 --> 00:47.209\n四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n00:58.062 --> 01:03.184\n八、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n01:21.479 --> 01:26.564\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。\n\n01:43.780 --> 02:09.386\n好,這昨天說的至少待到週一之前可是剛剛部長說的那顯然沒有那麼簡單因為兩天班機大概700多人這個放大這個飛機機型嘛大概可以多載700多人回國啦那現在那邊有1800多人嘛除了零星走的我們大概知道大概還有1100位那現在遇到的一個情況是這樣就是說你\n\n02:11.331 --> 02:17.815\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n02:37.227 --> 02:37.707\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:07.447 --> 03:09.108\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:28.118 --> 03:28.939\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:48.702 --> 03:49.403\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n04:03.137 --> 04:08.339\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n04:31.169 --> 04:32.630\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n04:56.252 --> 05:18.621\n是,報告委員,這未來是我們爭取國外旅客一個非常重要的一個管道,就是透過郵輪所以我們在各個港口的建制,我們硬體先建好,客人還沒來之前硬體要先做好那我們歡迎客人來,那這個部分我們港澳公司也積極在各個國家在所有的郵輪的展的過程當中都會盡量去遊說其他國家的郵輪可以來到臺灣\n\n05:20.981 --> 05:38.496\n這我想不管是港務公司、航港局你們要更精確的、更專業的我們不懂船啦那可是旅客就是旅遊嘛那這些的這個不管是我們很多的公司好不容易招攬了這麼多的旅客遇到一些問題第一個我們要盡量提早知道\n\n05:39.136 --> 05:40.778\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:00.379 --> 06:01.060\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:15.370 --> 06:16.911\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:45.750 --> 06:49.732\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n07:14.360 --> 07:15.121\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n07:35.746 --> 07:57.751\n這個最好是今天因為你如果沒有再密集的能夠把我們自己國人載回來的話會產生先後次序的剝奪感我真的不騙你換我拿一家旅行社他最大大尾全部都走了剩下一些人在後面我是覺得只要密集我們就同一天早晚班或者明天早班機大家都可以忍耐\n\n07:58.271 --> 08:02.714\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n08:24.639 --> 08:52.853\n沒有問題委員這個我們來努力好那稍等一下齁那接著這個情況齁既然是郵輪在復甦的過程中我就提一個建議了齁當然我們現在有很多港啦但主要目前我們郵輪看去年今年的旅客的來源他停泊的港齁在基隆港跟高雄港人數是第一名第二名但是呢我們看人數的一個差距齁就是基隆港大概平均是一年八十萬人次\n\n08:54.214 --> 09:17.250\n高雄港現在大概是8到9萬人次大概9到10倍的一個差距其實很好理解啦因為船不是載出去海上釣魚嘛他停到下一個接近的城市嘛可能日本、韓國比較城市那未來搞不好台中如果兩岸如果悄悄的話搞不好台中港能最多那坦白講現在不講不過現在有個問題\n\n09:20.052 --> 09:21.174\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n09:37.881 --> 09:38.402\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n09:56.024 --> 09:58.286\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n10:21.127 --> 10:22.348\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n10:40.469 --> 10:43.390\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11:05.594 --> 11:07.675\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11:25.419 --> 11:26.761\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11:42.603 --> 11:44.625\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12:01.345 --> 12:15.482\n我們來看這個人數旅客的人數確實在基東港非常的多那要增加閘口也是必然要做的事情所以是不是請港務公司我們來討論一下西岸那目前西岸的話大概一個小時可以通關3100人\n\n12:17.684 --> 12:19.045\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12:35.697 --> 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管是港務公司、航港局，你們要更精確的、更專業的，我們不懂船，可是旅客就是旅遊嘛，這些不管是我們很多的公司，好不容易招攬了這麼多旅客，遇到一些問題，第一個，我們要儘量提早知道，要擬定一些方案，不管是國人在外，是不是要有接駁的方案？第二個，下一批、再下一批的旅客，到底什麼時候可以恢復？我覺得政府要精準掌握，不然像業者也好，或者旅客會打電話到我們的公務機關來，我們如果是3個字：不清楚、不知道，我覺得是不行的，因為這個事情我們希望能夠最有效率的處理，機件故障也沒辦法，但是要有效率去做處理，未來到底什麼時候可以載客？也希望提前可以了解。","這個數據出來，我擔心好不容易大家恢復用郵輪出國這樣的旅遊模式，看到一批、一批、幾千人，其實國人參與度滿高的，這種旅遊習慣跟信心的建立是不太容易的，可是如果產生了很多隱憂，坐上去之後，哇！搞不好多送3天、5天，大家不要覺得很快樂，當然上面有吃的，我們直接電話聯絡，他們基本上要留在那個船艙裡面，為什麼呢？就是行李包好、全部包好，一喊嗶！嗶！就要全部衝出去做下一個動作，所以他們精神壓力很大，滿多人有事要回來了，因此我們希望最後一千多人，包機的部分明天可不可以上來？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我們已經跟日本沖繩的機場做申請了，他們也同意我們要坐加班機，我們看今天可不可以上來，或者是明天加班機可以趕快上來，明天跟後天都一定要趕快把我們的旅客全部輸運完。"],["魯委員明哲：那華航呢？華航在國家有任務的時候都要出任務啊！現在有沒有辦法？"],["陳部長世凱：都有在出任務，包含擴大班機的部分，他們有幫忙，華航的部分今天跟明天都有。"],["魯委員明哲：我知道他們都有幫忙。"],["陳部長世凱：對，到時候包機的部分，我們現在已經有申請到加班機的空間，我們會跟我們國籍的航空公司來協商，看誰可以上就儘量上這樣子。"],["魯委員明哲：這個最好是今天啦，因為你如果沒有密集的把我們自己國人載回來的話，會產生先後次序的剝奪感，我真的不騙你，哪一家旅行社最大尾就全部都走了，剩下一些人在後面，我是覺得只要密集的，我們就同一天的早、晚班，或者明天早班機，大家都可以忍耐，不然這個部分屬於很多家旅行社，我知道有些旅行社比較有議價、有溝通能力，他們全部跑完了，所以我希望可能今天晚上，最晚明天早上一定要把我們的國人旅客載回來。"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["魯委員明哲：除非航港局協調他的船10號回來的時候，在船上的國人都可以載回來，所以你們要非常密切，而且非常迅速找出答案，有沒有問題？"],["陳部長世凱：沒有問題，委員，這個我們來努力。"],["魯委員明哲：好，稍等一下。接著這個情況，既然郵輪是在復甦的過程中，我就提一個建議，當然我們現在有很多港，但主要目前我們看郵輪去年、今年的旅客來源，它停泊的港在基隆港跟高雄港人數分別是第一名、第二名，但是我們看人數上的差距，基隆港大概平均是1年80萬人次，高雄港現在大概是8萬到9萬人次，大概是9到10倍的差距，其實很好理解啦，因為船不是載出去海上釣魚，是停到下一個接近的城市，可能日本、韓國比較多城市，未來兩岸如果交流的話，搞不好臺中港人最多，坦白講，現在不講，不過現在有個問題，現在的趨勢你們都看到了，船越造越大，本來一艘船，現在變成一個城市，它進來了，五千多人，等於我們的幾棟大樓、一個小城市，它進來了，所有人下來，其實在歐洲我們常看到，我們也了解一些資料，榮耀號在歐洲這樣一個量體，大概平均2個小時，不可能一次進來嘛，大概2個小時可以讓他們分次進來，可是目前在臺灣，它一直停泊到11點，請問港務公司，目前大概要幾個小時？"],["李董事長賢義：跟委員報告一下，我們目前基隆東岸、西岸都已經完成，可以同時容納4艘，高雄港的部分同時也可以容納2艘，所以目前我們都在努力，另外，高雄港原來的9號、10號碼頭，目前也在整修當中。"],["魯委員明哲：好啦，這樣好不好，我做個結論，結論就是說，我們講說疫情的時候希望你們建設，我也看到你們有努力，把沒有自動通關閘道的部分，本來都是人工的，在前幾年建立了，在基隆港，總共東西岸各4個閘道，可是問題現在你要注意一下，尤其是西岸，西岸的部分因為它的水深，所以像剛剛講的這種城市級的、那種大的遊艇都從這邊來，大家到了臺灣都想要第一時間下來去旅遊嘛，大家一下來，現在是東岸4個自動閘道、西岸4個，顯然對這種密集性的，目前我個人是建議，以基隆現在這個吞吐量，做了4個雙向的閘道很有效，就是進來、出去也可以用，這種我覺得真的很棒，而且對於大家來到臺灣覺得這個郵輪城市很棒，很棒就可以通關，不要讓大家評估說來到臺灣的郵輪最慢，這個部分是不是建議部長，因為上一次你們怎麼喬得預算我不清楚，最後是港務公司、航港局編列預算給移民署去做，當然你也說這是移民署的事、內政部的事、其他人的事，可是有關觀光部分，觀光人數是交通部的，港務公司也是交通部的，所以這個部分是不是可以從西岸開始，空間都出來了，至少可以再設六到八個閘道，真的，錢也沒有很多，能不能儘快幫忙？"],["陳部長世凱：我們看旅客人數，確實在基隆港非常多，要增加閘口也是必然要做的事情，所以我們會請港務公司來討論西岸的部分。"],["李董事長賢義：我們會做檢討，目前西岸大概一個小時可以通關3,100人，因為西岸水深比較深，所以像地中海榮耀號就停靠在西岸，我們會配合……"],["魯委員明哲：現在移民署的基層幹部，還有很多旅行社都已經提出這個問題，你知道靠岸後在外面會有一堆人要去接，然後你說慢慢弄，但它的遊覽車第一臺到最後一臺搭不在一起，很多的問題，所以我要拜託部長，旅遊市場有這樣的需求，我們就努力來做，一個月內提供西岸先設更多雙向通關閘道的可行性跟經費來源，好不好？一個月內。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們來討論，一個月內，這個沒問題。"],["魯委員明哲：好，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：好，謝謝魯明哲召委。","接下來邀請何欣純委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":334,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-14","speakers":["陳素月","林沛祥","李昆澤","林國成","何欣純","魯明哲","林俊憲","黃健豪","徐富癸","邱若華","蔡其昌","許智傑","羅廷瑋","王義川","洪孟楷","陳培瑜","張啓楷","游顥","廖先翔","蔡易餘","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","葉元之","鍾佳濱"],"page_start":257,"meetingDate":["2024-12-09"],"gazette_id":"1140402","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140402_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部航港局單位預算；二、審查114年度中央政府總預\n算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管航港建設基金非營業預算；三、審查114年度中央\n政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算；四、審查\n114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司營\n業預算；五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業\n基金─臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金分預算【僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1140402_00002"}}}