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00:02:41,368\n所以我會請我們的港務公司也好或者是航港局趕快跟國安單位趕快去做協商趕快去開會去討論說未來如果遇到類似的狀況怎麼樣讓我們航港局也好港務公司也好事先獲得這樣子國安的訊息要事先獲得國安的訊息要事先能夠掌握該船隻是不是曾經配合過中共軍演那曾經在運過什麼樣的一個武器或者是相關的領主艦比如說在這一次\n\n8\n00:02:43,928 --> 00:03:08,855\n剛剛我們的港務公司的董事長說依法他是用民用的貨運船來申請靠港那我們發生這件事情的時候是什麼時候知道是因為這一個媒體的記者在網路平台爆料了之後那是我們港務公司第一手知道所以所以有去登船去檢查嗎\n\n9\n00:03:12,687 --> 00:03:38,439\n那港務公司沒有權利登船我們必須要會同有公權利的那到底有沒有登船因為你剛剛回答其他委員的時候說沒有登船是是船東或者是他們的這個相關的這個公司來跟你們報備他裡面裝什麼船袋這就是他的零組件他的零組件是一般的機械零組件都是一般的對\n\n10\n00:03:39,039 --> 00:04:01,110\n好那這是他來報備他來申請那請問一下到底有沒有登船你說港務公司沒有權利登船去做檢查那到底是誰去登船做檢查哪一個單位有嗎沒有那為什麼陸委會還可以說我們曾經登船檢查那請問誰提供這個資訊給陸委會的\n\n11\n00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:36,204\n誰提供資訊給陸委會讓陸委會可以公開說政府的相關單位已經於日前登檢該船並沒有發現異常我們可能需要了解一下我們的單位是沒有但是海巡單位有沒有登船檢查所以事情發生了你們事前不知道沒有任何機制事後發生了見了媒體了也沒有任何機制連港務公司都不知道是誰登船喔\n\n12\n00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:58,310\n部長這樣子這個港口的管理太離譜了吧他們的掌握是海巡目前是有登船嗎海巡單位來請回答跟委員報告就是說按照我們現在CIQS的作業規定船舶進出港以後海巡要登船去做檢查目前的機制是這樣子好目前的機制那在這艘船你什麼時候收到這個情資什麼時候登船檢查\n\n13\n00:04:59,347 --> 00:04:59,827\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:05:19,264 --> 00:05:27,272\n那請問一下那陸委會的這個訊息是誰提供的海巡署嗎?海巡單位嗎?那我就要請部長這裡出現了一個問題喔這一個問題是在於陸委會對外公開的發言\n\n15\n00:05:35,580 --> 00:05:37,763\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n16\n00:05:55,242 --> 00:05:55,882\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n17\n00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:43,448\n我們當然不希望再發生可是我相信以中國對臺灣的這樣子的侵略性的一個很明顯的心態一定會一而再再而三的事所以這個部分我們自己要先把港口的安全等同國安的一個安全的問題一定要先建立機制能夠防堵就盡量防堵能夠不用發生就不能發生我們會盡快跟國安單位協商然後未來的機制看怎麼樣建制我們會把它建制起來\n\n18\n00:06:44,468 --> 00:06:52,634\n不然你看這艘船你們提供的資料12月2號晚上停靠12月3號卸貨12月6號又卸貨12月7號離港事實上他在台中港停靠了幾個晚上12月2號到12月7號離港5個晚上5天喔這5天如果當中他們船艙裡面裝的是武器裝的是什麼東西的話\n\n19\n00:07:10,546 --> 00:07:20,609\n這安全性如何對國人交代?我覺得趕快啦好不好部長那你覺得你多久的時間內可以去跟國安單位做一個橫向的溝通跟聯繫?我們一週之內會來跟他們開會\n\n20\n00:07:24,175 --> 00:07:43,401\n好一週之內趕快開會趕快把SOP建立起來好不好這個是國安的問題那臺中港另外一個就是我關心剛剛很多委員跟我一起關心我們現在臺中有空港跟海港那空港我們非常感謝交通部的努力還有很多國際航空公司的努力所以呢臺中機場國際線要大增21條航線\n\n21\n00:07:48,462 --> 00:07:49,842\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n22\n00:08:15,951 --> 00:08:19,853\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n23\n00:08:44,206 --> 00:09:02,376\n郵輪市場不是只有臺灣我們的國人出去玩我們也可以讓國際的觀光客進來看見臺中臺中是一個很棒的城市臺中是全國第二大城市臺中有很多的觀光路線跟好山好水我覺得郵輪要進臺中港真的比搶周杰倫的門票還要難嗎是不是因為你看喔剛剛港務公司的李董事長說未來會有三艘\n\n24\n00:09:11,717 --> 00:09:32,248\n總長我要跟你說你的這個資料可能要更新一下12月18號確實會來一艘接著呢明年也一艘後年也一艘就這麼三艘你的三艘是把今年的也算進去是連續三年一年一艘那在你整個2025610個航班裡面這些郵輪裡面我們臺中可能只佔了兩個\n\n25\n00:09:39,235 --> 00:10:08,059\n所以這個比例上來講說真的看起來我們臺中港真的還要再努力耶對不對部長報告委員這個要很努力啦要很努力嘛對不對一體設備有然後臺中也真的很好玩整個中部地區的觀光景點相當的多那我們希望透過郵輪可以吸引更多的國外旅客但目前確實啦港務公司在國外在招商的過程當中我們把臺灣的幾個重要的港口都提供給國際的友人來看國際的航商來看那大家\n\n26\n00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:09,801\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n27\n00:10:26,239 --> 00:10:47,487\n相對的好像臺中港是沒人愛的那沒人愛的問題在哪裡條件真的那麼差嗎高雄港基隆港在地的地方政府其實他們也很努力幫忙在招攬客人包含說客人來了之後下了船之後的旅遊的動線等等他們都有做很棒的規劃那臺中這個部分其實也可以再更努力一些\n\n28\n00:10:48,120 --> 00:11:13,066\n我們臺中要再加油這個還是要中央地方一起加油但是也不是只有中央的事是大家要一起努力最後的一句話我相信部長也來自我們臺中港區的建設我想你一定會支持尤其臺中的消費力強產業也非常的完整而且非常的強壯所以我們要建設所以我相信上次我們有去臺中港去考察\n\n29\n00:11:14,427 --> 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央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n郵輪市場不是只有臺灣我們的國人出去玩我們也可以讓國際的觀光客進來看見臺中臺中是一個很棒的城市臺中是全國第二大城市臺中有很多的觀光路線跟好山好水我覺得郵輪要進臺中港真的比搶周杰倫的門票還要難嗎是不是因為你看喔剛剛港務公司的李董事長說未來會有三艘\n總長我要跟你說你的這個資料可能要更新一下12月18號確實會來一艘接著呢明年也一艘後年也一艘就這麼三艘你的三艘是把今年的也算進去是連續三年一年一艘那在你整個2025610個航班裡面這些郵輪裡面我們臺中可能只佔了兩個\n所以這個比例上來講說真的看起來我們臺中港真的還要再努力耶對不對部長報告委員這個要很努力啦要很努力嘛對不對一體設備有然後臺中也真的很好玩整個中部地區的觀光景點相當的多那我們希望透過郵輪可以吸引更多的國外旅客但目前確實啦港務公司在國外在招商的過程當中我們把臺灣的幾個重要的港口都提供給國際的友人來看國際的航商來看那大家\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n相對的好像臺中港是沒人愛的那沒人愛的問題在哪裡條件真的那麼差嗎高雄港基隆港在地的地方政府其實他們也很努力幫忙在招攬客人包含說客人來了之後下了船之後的旅遊的動線等等他們都有做很棒的規劃那臺中這個部分其實也可以再更努力一些\n我們臺中要再加油這個還是要中央地方一起加油但是也不是只有中央的事是大家要一起努力最後的一句話我相信部長也來自我們臺中港區的建設我想你一定會支持尤其臺中的消費力強產業也非常的完整而且非常的強壯所以我們要建設所以我相信上次我們有去臺中港去考察\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.123 --> 00:09.030\n謝謝主席數月召委我們請陳部長、葉局長還有港務公司李董事長部長好委員好\n\n00:15.434 --> 00:37.309\n對,我想今天媒體的頭版大家都非常關心尤其這個曾經配合中共軍演的香港級的貨船進入臺灣的港口而且進入台中港今天大家都很關心臺中港等一下我要跟你討論但是國安的問題非常重要臺中港是我們港務公司跟航港局也是我們交通部\n\n00:38.149 --> 01:04.805\n的港口那我想請教一下這一艘貨船進來臺灣港口的時候交通部事先知道嗎?他當時是一定都有申請依法申請但是是用民用船舶的貨運船來申請是沒有錯那在申請的時候知道他曾經配合過中共軍演嗎?當時知道嗎?當時我們的訊息你不知道嗎?應該是不知道\n\n01:05.700 --> 01:27.655\n這一艘貨船曾經配合中共軍演而且在那個時候演習的當下曾經載了6艘的突擊艇在他的船艙裡面所以這是核其關鍵而且重要的國安資訊我們沒有掌握這表示什麼我們事前並沒有相關的機制對不對部長\n\n01:29.176 --> 01:56.425\n所以我們交通部是不是應該主動的跟軍方也好跟國安單位也好我們就這個事件第一個應該要檢討的是我們事先有沒有國安情資的密切的掌握或者是任何相關的資訊做一個溝通平台做一個資訊交換的平台我們是不是應該要好好的來掌握這些可能帶來危險的船隻\n\n01:57.325 --> 02:12.843\n委員您這樣的提醒非常合理也是應該要做的過去確實我們的港公司也好或者航港局也好不會有國安這一類的資訊但是這件事情發生之後讓我們覺得這方面的資訊我們確實應該要有事先獲得會比較好\n\n02:13.363 --> 02:41.368\n所以我會請我們的港務公司也好或者是航港局趕快跟國安單位趕快去做協商趕快去開會去討論說未來如果遇到類似的狀況怎麼樣讓我們航港局也好港務公司也好事先獲得這樣子國安的訊息要事先獲得國安的訊息要事先能夠掌握該船隻是不是曾經配合過中共軍演那曾經在運過什麼樣的一個武器或者是相關的領主艦比如說在這一次\n\n02:43.928 --> 03:08.855\n剛剛我們的港務公司的董事長說依法他是用民用的貨運船來申請靠港那我們發生這件事情的時候是什麼時候知道是因為這一個媒體的記者在網路平台爆料了之後那是我們港務公司第一手知道所以所以有去登船去檢查嗎\n\n03:12.687 --> 03:38.439\n那港務公司沒有權利登船我們必須要會同有公權利的那到底有沒有登船因為你剛剛回答其他委員的時候說沒有登船是是船東或者是他們的這個相關的這個公司來跟你們報備他裡面裝什麼船袋這就是他的零組件他的零組件是一般的機械零組件都是一般的對\n\n03:39.039 --> 04:01.110\n好那這是他來報備他來申請那請問一下到底有沒有登船你說港務公司沒有權利登船去做檢查那到底是誰去登船做檢查哪一個單位有嗎沒有那為什麼陸委會還可以說我們曾經登船檢查那請問誰提供這個資訊給陸委會的\n\n04:09.160 --> 04:36.204\n誰提供資訊給陸委會讓陸委會可以公開說政府的相關單位已經於日前登檢該船並沒有發現異常我們可能需要了解一下我們的單位是沒有但是海巡單位有沒有登船檢查所以事情發生了你們事前不知道沒有任何機制事後發生了見了媒體了也沒有任何機制連港務公司都不知道是誰登船喔\n\n04:37.610 --> 04:58.310\n部長這樣子這個港口的管理太離譜了吧他們的掌握是海巡目前是有登船嗎海巡單位來請回答跟委員報告就是說按照我們現在CIQS的作業規定船舶進出港以後海巡要登船去做檢查目前的機制是這樣子好目前的機制那在這艘船你什麼時候收到這個情資什麼時候登船檢查\n\n04:59.347 --> 04:59.827\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:19.264 --> 05:27.272\n那請問一下那陸委會的這個訊息是誰提供的海巡署嗎?海巡單位嗎?那我就要請部長這裡出現了一個問題喔這一個問題是在於陸委會對外公開的發言\n\n05:35.580 --> 05:37.763\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:55.242 --> 05:55.882\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:14.207 --> 06:43.448\n我們當然不希望再發生可是我相信以中國對臺灣的這樣子的侵略性的一個很明顯的心態一定會一而再再而三的事所以這個部分我們自己要先把港口的安全等同國安的一個安全的問題一定要先建立機制能夠防堵就盡量防堵能夠不用發生就不能發生我們會盡快跟國安單位協商然後未來的機制看怎麼樣建制我們會把它建制起來\n\n06:44.468 --> 06:52.634\n不然你看這艘船你們提供的資料12月2號晚上停靠12月3號卸貨12月6號又卸貨12月7號離港事實上他在台中港停靠了幾個晚上12月2號到12月7號離港5個晚上5天喔這5天如果當中他們船艙裡面裝的是武器裝的是什麼東西的話\n\n07:10.546 --> 07:20.609\n這安全性如何對國人交代?我覺得趕快啦好不好部長那你覺得你多久的時間內可以去跟國安單位做一個橫向的溝通跟聯繫?我們一週之內會來跟他們開會\n\n07:24.175 --> 07:43.401\n好一週之內趕快開會趕快把SOP建立起來好不好這個是國安的問題那臺中港另外一個就是我關心剛剛很多委員跟我一起關心我們現在臺中有空港跟海港那空港我們非常感謝交通部的努力還有很多國際航空公司的努力所以呢臺中機場國際線要大增21條航線\n\n07:48.462 --> 07:49.842\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n08:15.951 --> 08:19.853\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務\n\n08:44.206 --> 09:02.376\n郵輪市場不是只有臺灣我們的國人出去玩我們也可以讓國際的觀光客進來看見臺中臺中是一個很棒的城市臺中是全國第二大城市臺中有很多的觀光路線跟好山好水我覺得郵輪要進臺中港真的比搶周杰倫的門票還要難嗎是不是因為你看喔剛剛港務公司的李董事長說未來會有三艘\n\n09:11.717 --> 09:32.248\n總長我要跟你說你的這個資料可能要更新一下12月18號確實會來一艘接著呢明年也一艘後年也一艘就這麼三艘你的三艘是把今年的也算進去是連續三年一年一艘那在你整個2025610個航班裡面這些郵輪裡面我們臺中可能只佔了兩個\n\n09:39.235 --> 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何委員欣純：零組件是一般機械零組件？"],["李董事長賢義：都是一般的。"],["何委員欣純：好，這是他們報備、他們申請，那請問一下，到底有沒有登船？你說港務公司沒有權力登船檢查，那到底是誰登船檢查？哪一個單位？有嗎？沒有！那為什麼陸委會還可以說我們曾經登船檢查？請問誰提供這個資訊給陸委會？誰提供資訊給陸委會，讓陸委會可以公開說政府相關單位已經於日前登檢該船，並沒有發現異常？"],["陳部長世凱：我們可能需要了解一下，我們的單位是沒有，但是海巡單位有沒有登船檢查，這個我們可能要再了解一下。"],["何委員欣純：所以事情發生了，你們事前不知道，沒有任何機制；事後見了媒體了，也沒有任何機制，連港務公司都不知道是誰登船？部長，這樣子的港口管理太離譜了吧！"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，他們的掌握是海巡，目前海巡單位是有登船。"],["何委員欣純：來，請回答。"],["何主任文智：跟委員報告，按照我們現在的CIQS作業規定，船舶進出港，海巡要登船做檢查，目前的機制是這樣。"],["何委員欣純：好，目前的機制，那這艘船你們什麼時候收到這個情資，什麼時候登船檢查？"],["何主任文智：沒有，它進出港的第一時間，海巡就要登船檢查。"],["何委員欣純：所以你現在的登船檢查，是在它依法、依程序的情況之下去做檢查，而不是事後發現有異常狀況的時候，再一次去登船檢查嗎？"],["何主任文智：不是，不是，是進港的時候就要檢查，要登船檢查。"],["何委員欣純：請問，陸委會的訊息是誰提供的？海巡署嗎？海巡單位嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：如果有提供的話，應該是海巡單位提供給……"],["何委員欣純：那我就要請教部長了，這裡出現一個問題，這個問題在於陸委會對外公開發言表示因為發現這件事情，這一次配合中共軍演的貨船進入臺中港，所以我們有登檢該船，沒有發現異常。他收到的訊息是你們例行性的登船檢查程序，而不是為了國安問題特別登船檢查到底有沒有異常，我覺得這是前後邏輯跟不同層次的國安問題……"],["陳部長世凱：對，沒錯。"],["何委員欣純：所以我希望部長要趕快主動跟國安單位好好的把機制建立起來，我們當然不希望以後再發生類似事件，可是我相信以中國對臺灣這種很明顯的侵略性心態，一定會一而再、再而三的試，所以這個部分，我們自己要先把港口安全視為國安問題，一定要先建立機制，能防堵就儘量防堵，能夠不發生就不能發生。"],["陳部長世凱：是，我們會儘快跟國安單位協商，看看未來相關機制要如何建置，我們會把它建置起來。"],["何委員欣純：是啊！不然你看這艘船你們提供的資料，12月2號晚上停靠，12月3號卸貨，12月6號又卸貨，12月7號離港，事實上它在臺中港停靠了幾個晚上？從12月2號到12月7號離港，總共5個晚上，5天喔！這5天如果他們船艙裡裝的是武器，裝的是什麼東西的話，這安全性問題如何對國人交代？我覺得要趕快，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：是，我們會來處理。"],["何委員欣純：部長，多久時間內，你可以跟國安單位做一個橫向的溝通跟聯繫？"],["陳部長世凱：我們一週之內會來跟他們開會。"],["何委員欣純：好，一週之內趕快開會，趕快把SOP建立起來，好不好？這是國安問題。","臺中港另外一個問題，是我非常關心的，也是剛剛很多委員非常關心的，就是臺中現在有空港跟海港，空港我們非常感謝交通部的努力，還有很多國籍航空公司的努力，臺中機場國際線大增21條航線，這在今年跟明年是可以期待的，在此我要先感謝交通部，因為不管是航班、航線，還有航權等等相關問題，都是中央跟國籍公司努力去跟對方國家談判而來的，我們希望好還要更好；但一樣都是港口卻兩樣情，空港大增21條國際航線，大家都說郵輪市場疫後大復甦，可是問題是臺中看不到啊！包括港務公司去參加郵輪相關市場的爭取也好，或者是論壇也好，在你們提出的簡報裡面，在港口的部分都沒有看到臺中港，這表示什麼？港務公司到底有沒有把臺中港放在心上努力來推？郵輪市場不是只有讓我們的國人出去玩，我們也可以讓國際的觀光客進來看見臺中，臺中是一個很棒的城市，臺中是全國第二大城市，臺中有很多的觀光路線跟好山好水，但我覺得郵輪要進臺中港真的比搶周杰倫的門票還要難，是不是？剛剛港務公司李董事長說未來會有三艘，董事長，我要跟你說，你的資料可能要更新一下，12月18號確實會來一艘，接著明年也一艘，後年也一艘，但就只有這麼三艘，你說的三艘是把今年的也算進去，是連續三年、一年一艘。在整個2025年610個郵輪航班裡面，臺中可能只占了2個，從比例上來講，看起來臺中港真的還要再努力，對不對？部長。"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，這個要很努力，我們……"],["何委員欣純：要很努力嘛，對不對？"],["陳部長世凱：硬體設備有，然後臺中也真的很好玩，整個中部地區的觀光景點相當的多，我們希望透過郵輪可以吸引更多的國外旅客，但目前確實港務公司在國外招商的過程當中，我們把臺灣幾個重要的港口都提供給國際友人、國際航商來看，結果大家最後選擇臺中相對是少一點，我希望針對這個部分我們再更加把勁、優惠再增加一些……"],["何委員欣純：部長，那可不可以討論一下為什麼國際航商沒有選擇臺中，你知道嗎？地方政府的某一個局長說，因為高雄港跟基隆港他們躺著就會有郵輪進港，相對的，好像臺中港是沒人愛的，究竟沒人愛的問題在哪裡？條件真的那麼差嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：據我所知，高雄港、基隆港在地的地方政府其實也很努力在幫忙招攬客人，包含客人下了船之後的旅遊動線等等，他們都有做很棒的規劃，臺中這個部分其實也可以再更努力一些。"],["何委員欣純：臺中要再加油啦，這個還是要中央、地方一起加油，但也不是只有中央的事，而是大家要一起努力啦！"],["陳部長世凱：是，大家一起努力。"],["何委員欣純：最後一句話，部長也來自臺中，港區的建設我想你一定會支持……"],["陳部長世凱：當然、當然。"],["何委員欣純：尤其臺中的消費力強，產業也非常完整，而且非常的強壯，所以我們要建設。上次我們有去臺中港區考察，不管是捷運B1站或是跟港務公司共同開發的狀況，或者是我們跟蔡其昌委員要共同推進的臺中港區其他的大建設，也請部長及所有同仁一定要大力的支持，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們一起努力，謝謝委員。"],["何委員欣純：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝何欣純委員。","接下來邀請林俊憲委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":334,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-14","speakers":["陳素月","林沛祥","李昆澤","林國成","何欣純","魯明哲","林俊憲","黃健豪","徐富癸","邱若華","蔡其昌","許智傑","羅廷瑋","王義川","洪孟楷","陳培瑜","張啓楷","游顥","廖先翔","蔡易餘","鄭天財Sra 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