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00:01:07,012\n我們整場音樂會因為點擊率很高是整場音樂會有7萬多次但是這個7支其他的單支的點擊率都很差啦剛剛王一鳴委員有講針對其他7支影片點擊率都是幾百次最高的不過就是2000出一點那重點那個我們整場音樂會7萬多次所以黃市長是針對說整場音樂會7萬多次點擊率很高是針對這個整場音樂會對不對\n\n4\n00:01:11,124 --> 00:01:36,484\n報告委員那是所有的連結起來總共是7萬多次這個是總計的部分那其實當天現場大概有2000多位的2000位左右的民眾是在參與的其實針對這部分那時候我們也很有興趣了解啦因為其他單支影片點擊率都很低那你們以為要這整場的音樂會後來我們也要求要\n\n5\n00:01:37,425 --> 00:02:05,750\n與你們要這個後台的點閱資料可是要了很久發現你們也都不願意提供那我們想了解這部分算是機密嗎?報告我們現在的話是這樣跟委員報告當天的現場是有2000位左右的民眾是參與的那當天的話我們也發布這個資料提供會有困難嗎?為什麼我們要這個資料要不到?那個相關的那個數據的部分的話我們目前從我們網頁上面找到的是這樣的一個數據\n\n6\n00:02:06,590 --> 00:02:35,191\n我們可以掉這個每個月的觸及率嗎?因為我們發現其實有可能他整場因為是後來這個事件爆發大家才很有興趣上去看這個影片的並不是之前大家很有興趣看欸而是這個事件爆發這個點閱率才高所以我們才說要求掉這個每個月的觸及率可是為什麼一直這個觸及率我想了解一下這是檢察官講的偵查不公開的部分嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:36,605 --> 00:03:01,598\n這個部分的話我們來回去再跟我們的那個資訊單位來去做一下確認是不是可以往前面找一下數據對請提供一下因為我們真的很懷疑喔因為之前你說有一些核銷的案件喔因為帳目的問題檢察官在調查偵查不公開可是我相信這個應該不在檢察官的偵查範圍內我相信這應該不是機密對我覺得這部分可以公開\n\n8\n00:03:02,518 --> 00:03:19,112\n好那請我們盡快提供喔因為我們很有興趣因為我們一直看這個單字的影片點閱率就很低啊那我相信是不是因為大家針對這事件爆發之後才對這個音樂會很有興趣應該是最近才爆量的喔那請把這個數據提供給我這個可以提供\n\n9\n00:03:21,334 --> 00:03:41,062\n好那還有黃市長那時候我們說這個音樂會籌辦跟簽合你說都有正常的流程正式的簽合流程所以基本上應該我們主管部長這些都有簽合嗎所以我們說這個演唱會是不是許民春演唱會自己簽合然後高歌納稅人買單啊\n\n10\n00:03:44,261 --> 00:03:59,018\n報告委員那個案子是我們我們調評室這邊來簽合的那整個案件來講的話就是為了要去做宣導那個性別工作平等法的這個相關的規定並沒有所謂說為了要開個人\n\n11\n00:04:00,399 --> 00:04:18,776\n對沒關係啦我的意思說你那時候有講嘛這是都是個正式公文都有簽合的流程都有完備嘛對不對所以基本上這個部長一定也有簽合啊你你調評師送上去部長一定有簽合嘛所以我們才說這是許民春演唱會自己核准然後高歌納稅人買單啊而且\n\n12\n00:04:20,678 --> 00:04:39,979\n你看一下他現場有唱三首歌喔《孤女的願望》《純情青春夢》《我的心裡只有你沒有她》然後我們也看一下這歌詞我想《我的心裡只有你沒有她》這跟我們這個性別工作平等不知道到底有沒有什麼關係那這個歌這些歌單這些規劃是調評師規劃部長上去唱的嗎\n\n13\n00:04:43,520 --> 00:05:06,862\n這個部分的話我們有跟製作單位共同來討論那製作單位的話在安排上面我們有討論到說後面是用一個呃帶帶進來這樣的一個演唱然後再來做宣導能夠把整個宣導的部分的話做的稍微活一點大概好所以你們那時候就有規劃嗎可是我們去了解有我們這個節目企劃整個流程哦\n\n14\n00:05:08,644 --> 00:05:20,912\n這個從熊熊音樂演唱四季紅安平追想曲到吉月二重奏然後中場休息我們看整個企劃整個流程並沒有許部長唱歌這個流程啊企劃書也沒有啊\n\n15\n00:05:21,813 --> 00:05:36,781\n這個是我們在設計上面包括後來的節目單實際上我們有提供給委員嘛那那個節目單的裡面的部分的話我們並沒有把這部分擺上去那原因是我們大概跟製作單位有考慮到說後面要擺一個這個也是設計橋段的問題啊\n\n16\n00:05:38,942 --> 00:06:04,040\n要給大家一個驚喜是嗎?一個彩蛋進來的那個情況下那大家有一個啊嘩然這樣的一個情況所以我的意思是說你當初所有的企劃並沒有所以聽市長這樣講其實你們事前就有規劃只是企劃書裡面沒有對不對?對對對企劃書沒有嗎?企劃書是後面的話在提報的時候當初在思考的部分我們在有去做一些修正\n\n17\n00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:32,746\n所以所以市長我是認為喔你們當初應該在企劃喔可能不敢把這個橋段放上去啦因為這企劃流程放上去我不知道大家的觀感是怎麼樣而且你你想想看這個整個音樂會他要唱歌也不是公園阿公阿嬤那個前頭下去就點歌就會出來那個樂團他一定要事先排練他要唱哪些歌歌曲曲目絕對就是事先都排演的所以我不知道為什麼你們在前面整個企劃\n\n18\n00:06:33,806 --> 00:06:40,381\n跟節目表完全都沒有然後後面不知道為什麼會安插進來可能你們自己也在規避吧\n\n19\n00:06:41,837 --> 00:07:07,162\n好沒關係這個我相信呢這大家心裡有數啦那我們針對我請問一下部長師長喔這個音樂演唱會喔那個時候舉辦的時候是我們民國111年的9月3號那你知不知道我們疫情指揮中心全面鬆綁室內室外空間全程戴口罩鬆綁是什麼時候\n\n20\n00:07:10,166 --> 00:07:33,159\n報告那個時候我們在辦理演唱會的時候有跟那個場地的衛武營那邊有接洽過那觀眾的都是戴著口罩的現場上去表演的部分的話他是可以在當時的疫情規定是可以不用戴口罩對但是我不知道當初我們為什麼勞動部堅持要去辦這個演唱會因為那個時候疫情這麼的嚴重我們到111年的12月1號才鬆綁\n\n21\n00:07:37,822 --> 00:07:44,433\n那你們在9月3號辦,你知道9月3號那一天我們全國新冠人數確診人數有多少嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:46,718 --> 00:08:10,764\n沒有關係啦這也不用考你啦我們查了一下喔那一天喔新冠確診還有34339結果你們去花了400萬去辦的這場演唱會我不知道當初你們的想法到底是怎麼樣子喔這我覺得部長針對這部分呢是不是給我們可以給我們一個調查報告因為從這之前\n\n23\n00:08:12,033 --> 00:08:16,969\n當初整個計畫書都沒有的東西中間也這樣子安插是不是故意規避這個計畫\n\n24\n00:08:19,161 --> 00:08:45,553\n那個跟突然報告吼第一個確實性供法其實我認為是一個非常在臺灣這個勞動的法制是一個非常非常重要的法規我自己覺得在做相關的紀念或者是政策的推廣我覺得這個事情我認為是OK的但確實在部分的呈現橋段上面適不適合對社會來說觀感好不好這部分我覺得是可以有檢討的空間的\n\n25\n00:08:47,153 --> 00:09:03,105\n好,針對我們剛剛所提的幾個我們每個月的觸及率還有我們針對這企劃流程你們也說明一下當初為什麼刻意沒有去把它呈現出來還有為什麼會挑那天來辦這個沒關係你就再調查報告給我們說明一下\n\n26\n00:09:05,387 --> 00:09:08,209\n全國移工人數目前是多少?\n\n27\n00:09:34,068 --> 00:09:58,140\n應該是突破80萬人對那部長知道突破80萬人其實在去年1月的時候只有72萬多人那到今年10月就突破了80萬人那尤其我們桃園市這個政府真的是全國最高那我們瞭解一下我們這個移工持續暴增的狀況之下\n\n28\n00:09:59,781 --> 00:10:28,213\n可是我們感覺針對移工業務的訪查員跟諮詢人數這遠遠不足那我們勞發署針對這部分我們數百億的救救安基金補助地方政府做這個業務是不是補助的太少讓人數這嚴重不足謝謝突然的提醒這部分我們如果經費的話我覺得我們應該把這個部分經費上面要給我們訪查員更多一點支持好不好\n\n29\n00:10:29,025 --> 00:10:46,464\n那個跟委員報告有關我們對地方政府辦理移工的一個相關業務不管是訪查或是同意人員的相關的服務的人數我們是參考各個縣市政府他的移工的在台人數還有雇主加數以及仲介的加數他的規模如果變大我的那個輔導員的人數就跟著調整\n\n30\n00:10:47,785 --> 00:11:05,645\n好,你看一下我們三個移工最多的直轄是新北、桃園、台中。在106年山都訪查員人數只有37位、34位、34位。新北37、桃園34、台中34。它的人均服務量到2400多人到2900多人。\n\n31\n00:11:08,166 --> 00:11:08,306\n以桃園市為例,\n\n32\n00:11:27,025 --> 00:11:41,292\n他從34個雖然增加到43個但是他人均服務量卻增加了又再增加了9.1%所以我們這個救安基金補助這個人力的速度遠遠落後我們各縣市移工增加的數量欸\n\n33\n00:11:42,711 --> 00:12:03,207\n那個跟突然報告吼現在在今年12月目前定是16號會邀集各地方政府來檢討關於訪查員員額的數字那剛剛突然提醒的部分我會請這個部內的同仁在檢討的時候其實應該要好好的這個回應來評估思考\n\n34\n00:12:04,067 --> 00:12:32,129\n對,我這邊也提醒部長尤其大家現在對救安基金的使用的地方大家都非常的關注那你像這個應該補助的我也提醒部長應該針對這一部分因為我們中央大開移工之門收了很多僱主的就業安定費大家對這個錢的使用都非常的關注所以針對這第一線的訪查人員跟移工諮詢服務人員我們真的要多增加你看我們移工諮詢服務人員\n\n35\n00:12:33,510 --> 00:12:53,363\n桃園市的人均服務量他一個人要服務8700多人所以這我們覺得桃益移工對於這部分我覺得我們要好好去關注因為我們覺得訪查員跟諮詢服務人員是桃益移工的第一道防線那這部分真的部長要幫忙重視一下好沒問題\n\n36\n00:12:54,524 --> 00:13:09,342\n還有我們針對勞發署之前也爆發霸凌的事件我覺得說應該勞發署的業務過於繁重工作的績效壓力真的很大而且我看洪部長也有公開承諾會向行政院來爭取這個原則是不是\n\n37\n00:13:12,025 --> 00:13:40,306\n我跟同仁說明我們其實也有發現我其實也理解到目前勞發署在他整體的員額甚至在正式人員跟約用人員包括承攬之間的這個人數的比例我認為是不夠健康的這裡面當然都影響到在這個業務分工分配的過程執行的過程裡面是比較容易出現風險的我有理解到這件事所以這部分當然我們也希望能夠跟行政院的人種來再做更多的爭取\n\n38\n00:13:40,666 --> 00:14:08,778\n所以真的我們要為勞發署的這些同仁發聲他們真的應該尤其最近我看他們的業務真的暴漲單就我看我們的國會我們國會針對我們國會的服務人員只有一位勞發署對我們國會服務人員只有一位我們去查了一下他在108年前的編制是三個現在勞發署對於我們國會業務人員只有一個所以我覺得部長這部分幫我們關心了解一下\n\n39\n00:14:09,238 --> 00:14:17,482\n自己周邊的同仁多關心,那我也希望這個霸凌事件能夠減低,因為同仁的工作壓力真的太大了。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7688\t10870\t好,謝謝主席。請我們部長,還有我們調評師的黃市長。請部長、市長。託人好。好,那我先請教一下我們黃市長。\n22369\t40901\t那剛剛因為剛好我有聽到我們王一鳴委員有詢問我們針對我們音樂會有辦的有弄的7支影片那當初是這7支影片是為了要擴大參與那剛剛黃市長有講那7支影片的部分\n42121\t67012\t我們整場音樂會因為點擊率很高是整場音樂會有7萬多次但是這個7支其他的單支的點擊率都很差啦剛剛王一鳴委員有講針對其他7支影片點擊率都是幾百次最高的不過就是2000出一點那重點那個我們整場音樂會7萬多次所以黃市長是針對說整場音樂會7萬多次點擊率很高是針對這個整場音樂會對不對\n71124\t96484\t報告委員那是所有的連結起來總共是7萬多次這個是總計的部分那其實當天現場大概有2000多位的2000位左右的民眾是在參與的其實針對這部分那時候我們也很有興趣了解啦因為其他單支影片點擊率都很低那你們以為要這整場的音樂會後來我們也要求要\n97425\t125750\t與你們要這個後台的點閱資料可是要了很久發現你們也都不願意提供那我們想了解這部分算是機密嗎?報告我們現在的話是這樣跟委員報告當天的現場是有2000位左右的民眾是參與的那當天的話我們也發布這個資料提供會有困難嗎?為什麼我們要這個資料要不到?那個相關的那個數據的部分的話我們目前從我們網頁上面找到的是這樣的一個數據\n126590\t155191\t我們可以掉這個每個月的觸及率嗎?因為我們發現其實有可能他整場因為是後來這個事件爆發大家才很有興趣上去看這個影片的並不是之前大家很有興趣看欸而是這個事件爆發這個點閱率才高所以我們才說要求掉這個每個月的觸及率可是為什麼一直這個觸及率我想了解一下這是檢察官講的偵查不公開的部分嗎?\n156605\t181598\t這個部分的話我們來回去再跟我們的那個資訊單位來去做一下確認是不是可以往前面找一下數據對請提供一下因為我們真的很懷疑喔因為之前你說有一些核銷的案件喔因為帳目的問題檢察官在調查偵查不公開可是我相信這個應該不在檢察官的偵查範圍內我相信這應該不是機密對我覺得這部分可以公開\n182518\t199112\t好那請我們盡快提供喔因為我們很有興趣因為我們一直看這個單字的影片點閱率就很低啊那我相信是不是因為大家針對這事件爆發之後才對這個音樂會很有興趣應該是最近才爆量的喔那請把這個數據提供給我這個可以提供\n201334\t221062\t好那還有黃市長那時候我們說這個音樂會籌辦跟簽合你說都有正常的流程正式的簽合流程所以基本上應該我們主管部長這些都有簽合嗎所以我們說這個演唱會是不是許民春演唱會自己簽合然後高歌納稅人買單啊\n224261\t239018\t報告委員那個案子是我們我們調評室這邊來簽合的那整個案件來講的話就是為了要去做宣導那個性別工作平等法的這個相關的規定並沒有所謂說為了要開個人\n240399\t258776\t對沒關係啦我的意思說你那時候有講嘛這是都是個正式公文都有簽合的流程都有完備嘛對不對所以基本上這個部長一定也有簽合啊你你調評師送上去部長一定有簽合嘛所以我們才說這是許民春演唱會自己核准然後高歌納稅人買單啊而且\n260678\t279979\t你看一下他現場有唱三首歌喔《孤女的願望》《純情青春夢》《我的心裡只有你沒有她》然後我們也看一下這歌詞我想《我的心裡只有你沒有她》這跟我們這個性別工作平等不知道到底有沒有什麼關係那這個歌這些歌單這些規劃是調評師規劃部長上去唱的嗎\n283520\t306862\t這個部分的話我們有跟製作單位共同來討論那製作單位的話在安排上面我們有討論到說後面是用一個呃帶帶進來這樣的一個演唱然後再來做宣導能夠把整個宣導的部分的話做的稍微活一點大概好所以你們那時候就有規劃嗎可是我們去了解有我們這個節目企劃整個流程哦\n308644\t320912\t這個從熊熊音樂演唱四季紅安平追想曲到吉月二重奏然後中場休息我們看整個企劃整個流程並沒有許部長唱歌這個流程啊企劃書也沒有啊\n321813\t336781\t這個是我們在設計上面包括後來的節目單實際上我們有提供給委員嘛那那個節目單的裡面的部分的話我們並沒有把這部分擺上去那原因是我們大概跟製作單位有考慮到說後面要擺一個這個也是設計橋段的問題啊\n338942\t364040\t要給大家一個驚喜是嗎?一個彩蛋進來的那個情況下那大家有一個啊嘩然這樣的一個情況所以我的意思是說你當初所有的企劃並沒有所以聽市長這樣講其實你們事前就有規劃只是企劃書裡面沒有對不對?對對對企劃書沒有嗎?企劃書是後面的話在提報的時候當初在思考的部分我們在有去做一些修正\n364500\t392746\t所以所以市長我是認為喔你們當初應該在企劃喔可能不敢把這個橋段放上去啦因為這企劃流程放上去我不知道大家的觀感是怎麼樣而且你你想想看這個整個音樂會他要唱歌也不是公園阿公阿嬤那個前頭下去就點歌就會出來那個樂團他一定要事先排練他要唱哪些歌歌曲曲目絕對就是事先都排演的所以我不知道為什麼你們在前面整個企劃\n393806\t400381\t跟節目表完全都沒有然後後面不知道為什麼會安插進來可能你們自己也在規避吧\n401837\t427162\t好沒關係這個我相信呢這大家心裡有數啦那我們針對我請問一下部長師長喔這個音樂演唱會喔那個時候舉辦的時候是我們民國111年的9月3號那你知不知道我們疫情指揮中心全面鬆綁室內室外空間全程戴口罩鬆綁是什麼時候\n430166\t453159\t報告那個時候我們在辦理演唱會的時候有跟那個場地的衛武營那邊有接洽過那觀眾的都是戴著口罩的現場上去表演的部分的話他是可以在當時的疫情規定是可以不用戴口罩對但是我不知道當初我們為什麼勞動部堅持要去辦這個演唱會因為那個時候疫情這麼的嚴重我們到111年的12月1號才鬆綁\n457822\t464433\t那你們在9月3號辦,你知道9月3號那一天我們全國新冠人數確診人數有多少嗎?\n466718\t490764\t沒有關係啦 這也不用考你啦我們查了一下喔那一天喔新冠確診還有34339結果你們去花了400萬去辦的這場演唱會我不知道當初你們的想法到底是怎麼樣子喔這我覺得部長針對這部分呢是不是給我們可以給我們一個調查報告因為從這之前\n492033\t496969\t當初整個計畫書都沒有的東西中間也這樣子安插是不是故意規避這個計畫\n499161\t525553\t那個跟突然報告吼第一個確實性供法其實我認為是一個非常在臺灣這個勞動的法制是一個非常非常重要的法規我自己覺得在做相關的紀念或者是政策的推廣我覺得這個事情我認為是OK的但確實在部分的呈現橋段上面適不適合對社會來說觀感好不好這部分我覺得是可以有檢討的空間的\n527153\t543105\t好,針對我們剛剛所提的幾個我們每個月的觸及率還有我們針對這企劃流程你們也說明一下當初為什麼刻意沒有去把它呈現出來還有為什麼會挑那天來辦這個沒關係你就再調查報告給我們說明一下\n545387\t548209\t全國移工人數目前是多少?\n574068\t598140\t應該是突破80萬人對 那部長知道突破80萬人其實在去年1月的時候只有72萬多人那到今年10月就突破了80萬人那尤其我們桃園市這個政府真的是全國最高那我們瞭解一下我們這個移工持續暴增的狀況之下\n599781\t628213\t可是我們感覺針對移工業務的訪查員跟諮詢人數這遠遠不足那我們勞發署針對這部分我們數百億的救救安基金補助地方政府做這個業務是不是補助的太少讓人數這嚴重不足謝謝突然的提醒這部分我們如果經費的話我覺得我們應該把這個部分經費上面要給我們訪查員更多一點支持好不好\n629025\t646464\t那個跟委員報告有關我們對地方政府辦理移工的一個相關業務不管是訪查或是同意人員的相關的服務的人數我們是參考各個縣市政府他的移工的在台人數還有雇主加數以及仲介的加數他的規模如果變大我的那個輔導員的人數就跟著調整\n647785\t665645\t好,你看一下我們三個移工最多的直轄是新北、桃園、台中。在106年山都訪查員人數只有37位、34位、34位。新北37、桃園34、台中34。它的人均服務量到2400多人到2900多人。\n668166\t668306\t以桃園市為例,\n687025\t701292\t他從34個雖然增加到43個但是他人均服務量卻增加了又再增加了9.1%所以我們這個救安基金補助這個人力的速度遠遠落後我們各縣市移工增加的數量欸\n702711\t723207\t那個跟突然報告吼現在在今年12月目前定是16號會邀集各地方政府來檢討關於訪查員員額的數字那剛剛突然提醒的部分我會請這個部內的同仁在檢討的時候其實應該要好好的這個回應來評估思考\n724067\t752129\t對,我這邊也提醒部長尤其大家現在對救安基金的使用的地方大家都非常的關注那你像這個應該補助的我也提醒部長應該針對這一部分因為我們中央大開移工之門收了很多僱主的就業安定費大家對這個錢的使用都非常的關注所以針對這第一線的訪查人員跟移工諮詢服務人員我們真的要多增加你看我們移工諮詢服務人員\n753510\t773363\t桃園市的人均服務量他一個人要服務8700多人所以這我們覺得桃益移工對於這部分我覺得我們要好好去關注因為我們覺得訪查員跟諮詢服務人員是桃益移工的第一道防線那這部分真的部長要幫忙重視一下好沒問題\n774524\t789342\t還有我們針對勞發署之前也爆發霸凌的事件我覺得說應該勞發署的業務過於繁重工作的績效壓力真的很大而且我看洪部長也有公開承諾會向行政院來爭取這個原則是不是\n792025\t820306\t我跟同仁說明我們其實也有發現我其實也理解到目前勞發署在他整體的員額甚至在正式人員跟約用人員包括承攬之間的這個人數的比例我認為是不夠健康的這裡面當然都影響到在這個業務分工分配的過程執行的過程裡面是比較容易出現風險的我有理解到這件事所以這部分當然我們也希望能夠跟行政院的人種來再做更多的爭取\n820666\t848778\t所以真的我們要為勞發署的這些同仁發聲他們真的應該尤其最近我看他們的業務真的暴漲單就我看我們的國會我們國會針對我們國會的服務人員只有一位勞發署對我們國會服務人員只有一位我們去查了一下他在108年前的編制是三個現在勞發署對於我們國會業務人員只有一個所以我覺得部長這部分幫我們關心了解一下\n849238\t857482\t自己周邊的同仁多關心,那我也希望這個霸凌事件能夠減低,因為同仁的工作壓力真的太大了。\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席。請我們部長,還有我們調評師的黃市長。請部長、市長。託人好。好,那我先請教一下我們黃市長。\n那剛剛因為剛好我有聽到我們王一鳴委員有詢問我們針對我們音樂會有辦的有弄的7支影片那當初是這7支影片是為了要擴大參與那剛剛黃市長有講那7支影片的部分\n我們整場音樂會因為點擊率很高是整場音樂會有7萬多次但是這個7支其他的單支的點擊率都很差啦剛剛王一鳴委員有講針對其他7支影片點擊率都是幾百次最高的不過就是2000出一點那重點那個我們整場音樂會7萬多次所以黃市長是針對說整場音樂會7萬多次點擊率很高是針對這個整場音樂會對不對\n報告委員那是所有的連結起來總共是7萬多次這個是總計的部分那其實當天現場大概有2000多位的2000位左右的民眾是在參與的其實針對這部分那時候我們也很有興趣了解啦因為其他單支影片點擊率都很低那你們以為要這整場的音樂會後來我們也要求要\n與你們要這個後台的點閱資料可是要了很久發現你們也都不願意提供那我們想了解這部分算是機密嗎?報告我們現在的話是這樣跟委員報告當天的現場是有2000位左右的民眾是參與的那當天的話我們也發布這個資料提供會有困難嗎?為什麼我們要這個資料要不到?那個相關的那個數據的部分的話我們目前從我們網頁上面找到的是這樣的一個數據\n我們可以掉這個每個月的觸及率嗎?因為我們發現其實有可能他整場因為是後來這個事件爆發大家才很有興趣上去看這個影片的並不是之前大家很有興趣看欸而是這個事件爆發這個點閱率才高所以我們才說要求掉這個每個月的觸及率可是為什麼一直這個觸及率我想了解一下這是檢察官講的偵查不公開的部分嗎?\n這個部分的話我們來回去再跟我們的那個資訊單位來去做一下確認是不是可以往前面找一下數據對請提供一下因為我們真的很懷疑喔因為之前你說有一些核銷的案件喔因為帳目的問題檢察官在調查偵查不公開可是我相信這個應該不在檢察官的偵查範圍內我相信這應該不是機密對我覺得這部分可以公開\n好那請我們盡快提供喔因為我們很有興趣因為我們一直看這個單字的影片點閱率就很低啊那我相信是不是因為大家針對這事件爆發之後才對這個音樂會很有興趣應該是最近才爆量的喔那請把這個數據提供給我這個可以提供\n好那還有黃市長那時候我們說這個音樂會籌辦跟簽合你說都有正常的流程正式的簽合流程所以基本上應該我們主管部長這些都有簽合嗎所以我們說這個演唱會是不是許民春演唱會自己簽合然後高歌納稅人買單啊\n報告委員那個案子是我們我們調評室這邊來簽合的那整個案件來講的話就是為了要去做宣導那個性別工作平等法的這個相關的規定並沒有所謂說為了要開個人\n對沒關係啦我的意思說你那時候有講嘛這是都是個正式公文都有簽合的流程都有完備嘛對不對所以基本上這個部長一定也有簽合啊你你調評師送上去部長一定有簽合嘛所以我們才說這是許民春演唱會自己核准然後高歌納稅人買單啊而且\n你看一下他現場有唱三首歌喔《孤女的願望》《純情青春夢》《我的心裡只有你沒有她》然後我們也看一下這歌詞我想《我的心裡只有你沒有她》這跟我們這個性別工作平等不知道到底有沒有什麼關係那這個歌這些歌單這些規劃是調評師規劃部長上去唱的嗎\n這個部分的話我們有跟製作單位共同來討論那製作單位的話在安排上面我們有討論到說後面是用一個呃帶帶進來這樣的一個演唱然後再來做宣導能夠把整個宣導的部分的話做的稍微活一點大概好所以你們那時候就有規劃嗎可是我們去了解有我們這個節目企劃整個流程哦\n這個從熊熊音樂演唱四季紅安平追想曲到吉月二重奏然後中場休息我們看整個企劃整個流程並沒有許部長唱歌這個流程啊企劃書也沒有啊\n這個是我們在設計上面包括後來的節目單實際上我們有提供給委員嘛那那個節目單的裡面的部分的話我們並沒有把這部分擺上去那原因是我們大概跟製作單位有考慮到說後面要擺一個這個也是設計橋段的問題啊\n要給大家一個驚喜是嗎?一個彩蛋進來的那個情況下那大家有一個啊嘩然這樣的一個情況所以我的意思是說你當初所有的企劃並沒有所以聽市長這樣講其實你們事前就有規劃只是企劃書裡面沒有對不對?對對對企劃書沒有嗎?企劃書是後面的話在提報的時候當初在思考的部分我們在有去做一些修正\n所以所以市長我是認為喔你們當初應該在企劃喔可能不敢把這個橋段放上去啦因為這企劃流程放上去我不知道大家的觀感是怎麼樣而且你你想想看這個整個音樂會他要唱歌也不是公園阿公阿嬤那個前頭下去就點歌就會出來那個樂團他一定要事先排練他要唱哪些歌歌曲曲目絕對就是事先都排演的所以我不知道為什麼你們在前面整個企劃\n跟節目表完全都沒有然後後面不知道為什麼會安插進來可能你們自己也在規避吧\n好沒關係這個我相信呢這大家心裡有數啦那我們針對我請問一下部長師長喔這個音樂演唱會喔那個時候舉辦的時候是我們民國111年的9月3號那你知不知道我們疫情指揮中心全面鬆綁室內室外空間全程戴口罩鬆綁是什麼時候\n報告那個時候我們在辦理演唱會的時候有跟那個場地的衛武營那邊有接洽過那觀眾的都是戴著口罩的現場上去表演的部分的話他是可以在當時的疫情規定是可以不用戴口罩對但是我不知道當初我們為什麼勞動部堅持要去辦這個演唱會因為那個時候疫情這麼的嚴重我們到111年的12月1號才鬆綁\n那你們在9月3號辦,你知道9月3號那一天我們全國新冠人數確診人數有多少嗎?\n沒有關係啦 這也不用考你啦我們查了一下喔那一天喔新冠確診還有34339結果你們去花了400萬去辦的這場演唱會我不知道當初你們的想法到底是怎麼樣子喔這我覺得部長針對這部分呢是不是給我們可以給我們一個調查報告因為從這之前\n當初整個計畫書都沒有的東西中間也這樣子安插是不是故意規避這個計畫\n那個跟突然報告吼第一個確實性供法其實我認為是一個非常在臺灣這個勞動的法制是一個非常非常重要的法規我自己覺得在做相關的紀念或者是政策的推廣我覺得這個事情我認為是OK的但確實在部分的呈現橋段上面適不適合對社會來說觀感好不好這部分我覺得是可以有檢討的空間的\n好,針對我們剛剛所提的幾個我們每個月的觸及率還有我們針對這企劃流程你們也說明一下當初為什麼刻意沒有去把它呈現出來還有為什麼會挑那天來辦這個沒關係你就再調查報告給我們說明一下\n全國移工人數目前是多少?\n應該是突破80萬人對 那部長知道突破80萬人其實在去年1月的時候只有72萬多人那到今年10月就突破了80萬人那尤其我們桃園市這個政府真的是全國最高那我們瞭解一下我們這個移工持續暴增的狀況之下\n可是我們感覺針對移工業務的訪查員跟諮詢人數這遠遠不足那我們勞發署針對這部分我們數百億的救救安基金補助地方政府做這個業務是不是補助的太少讓人數這嚴重不足謝謝突然的提醒這部分我們如果經費的話我覺得我們應該把這個部分經費上面要給我們訪查員更多一點支持好不好\n那個跟委員報告有關我們對地方政府辦理移工的一個相關業務不管是訪查或是同意人員的相關的服務的人數我們是參考各個縣市政府他的移工的在台人數還有雇主加數以及仲介的加數他的規模如果變大我的那個輔導員的人數就跟著調整\n好,你看一下我們三個移工最多的直轄是新北、桃園、台中。在106年山都訪查員人數只有37位、34位、34位。新北37、桃園34、台中34。它的人均服務量到2400多人到2900多人。\n以桃園市為例,\n他從34個雖然增加到43個但是他人均服務量卻增加了又再增加了9.1%所以我們這個救安基金補助這個人力的速度遠遠落後我們各縣市移工增加的數量欸\n那個跟突然報告吼現在在今年12月目前定是16號會邀集各地方政府來檢討關於訪查員員額的數字那剛剛突然提醒的部分我會請這個部內的同仁在檢討的時候其實應該要好好的這個回應來評估思考\n對,我這邊也提醒部長尤其大家現在對救安基金的使用的地方大家都非常的關注那你像這個應該補助的我也提醒部長應該針對這一部分因為我們中央大開移工之門收了很多僱主的就業安定費大家對這個錢的使用都非常的關注所以針對這第一線的訪查人員跟移工諮詢服務人員我們真的要多增加你看我們移工諮詢服務人員\n桃園市的人均服務量他一個人要服務8700多人所以這我們覺得桃益移工對於這部分我覺得我們要好好去關注因為我們覺得訪查員跟諮詢服務人員是桃益移工的第一道防線那這部分真的部長要幫忙重視一下好沒問題\n還有我們針對勞發署之前也爆發霸凌的事件我覺得說應該勞發署的業務過於繁重工作的績效壓力真的很大而且我看洪部長也有公開承諾會向行政院來爭取這個原則是不是\n我跟同仁說明我們其實也有發現我其實也理解到目前勞發署在他整體的員額甚至在正式人員跟約用人員包括承攬之間的這個人數的比例我認為是不夠健康的這裡面當然都影響到在這個業務分工分配的過程執行的過程裡面是比較容易出現風險的我有理解到這件事所以這部分當然我們也希望能夠跟行政院的人種來再做更多的爭取\n所以真的我們要為勞發署的這些同仁發聲他們真的應該尤其最近我看他們的業務真的暴漲單就我看我們的國會我們國會針對我們國會的服務人員只有一位勞發署對我們國會服務人員只有一位我們去查了一下他在108年前的編制是三個現在勞發署對於我們國會業務人員只有一個所以我覺得部長這部分幫我們關心了解一下\n自己周邊的同仁多關心,那我也希望這個霸凌事件能夠減低,因為同仁的工作壓力真的太大了。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.688 --> 00:10.870\n好,謝謝主席。請我們部長,還有我們調評師的黃市長。請部長、市長。託人好。好,那我先請教一下我們黃市長。\n\n00:22.369 --> 00:40.901\n那剛剛因為剛好我有聽到我們王一鳴委員有詢問我們針對我們音樂會有辦的有弄的7支影片那當初是這7支影片是為了要擴大參與那剛剛黃市長有講那7支影片的部分\n\n00:42.121 --> 01:07.012\n我們整場音樂會因為點擊率很高是整場音樂會有7萬多次但是這個7支其他的單支的點擊率都很差啦剛剛王一鳴委員有講針對其他7支影片點擊率都是幾百次最高的不過就是2000出一點那重點那個我們整場音樂會7萬多次所以黃市長是針對說整場音樂會7萬多次點擊率很高是針對這個整場音樂會對不對\n\n01:11.124 --> 01:36.484\n報告委員那是所有的連結起來總共是7萬多次這個是總計的部分那其實當天現場大概有2000多位的2000位左右的民眾是在參與的其實針對這部分那時候我們也很有興趣了解啦因為其他單支影片點擊率都很低那你們以為要這整場的音樂會後來我們也要求要\n\n01:37.425 --> 02:05.750\n與你們要這個後台的點閱資料可是要了很久發現你們也都不願意提供那我們想了解這部分算是機密嗎?報告我們現在的話是這樣跟委員報告當天的現場是有2000位左右的民眾是參與的那當天的話我們也發布這個資料提供會有困難嗎?為什麼我們要這個資料要不到?那個相關的那個數據的部分的話我們目前從我們網頁上面找到的是這樣的一個數據\n\n02:06.590 --> 02:35.191\n我們可以掉這個每個月的觸及率嗎?因為我們發現其實有可能他整場因為是後來這個事件爆發大家才很有興趣上去看這個影片的並不是之前大家很有興趣看欸而是這個事件爆發這個點閱率才高所以我們才說要求掉這個每個月的觸及率可是為什麼一直這個觸及率我想了解一下這是檢察官講的偵查不公開的部分嗎?\n\n02:36.605 --> 03:01.598\n這個部分的話我們來回去再跟我們的那個資訊單位來去做一下確認是不是可以往前面找一下數據對請提供一下因為我們真的很懷疑喔因為之前你說有一些核銷的案件喔因為帳目的問題檢察官在調查偵查不公開可是我相信這個應該不在檢察官的偵查範圍內我相信這應該不是機密對我覺得這部分可以公開\n\n03:02.518 --> 03:19.112\n好那請我們盡快提供喔因為我們很有興趣因為我們一直看這個單字的影片點閱率就很低啊那我相信是不是因為大家針對這事件爆發之後才對這個音樂會很有興趣應該是最近才爆量的喔那請把這個數據提供給我這個可以提供\n\n03:21.334 --> 03:41.062\n好那還有黃市長那時候我們說這個音樂會籌辦跟簽合你說都有正常的流程正式的簽合流程所以基本上應該我們主管部長這些都有簽合嗎所以我們說這個演唱會是不是許民春演唱會自己簽合然後高歌納稅人買單啊\n\n03:44.261 --> 03:59.018\n報告委員那個案子是我們我們調評室這邊來簽合的那整個案件來講的話就是為了要去做宣導那個性別工作平等法的這個相關的規定並沒有所謂說為了要開個人\n\n04:00.399 --> 04:18.776\n對沒關係啦我的意思說你那時候有講嘛這是都是個正式公文都有簽合的流程都有完備嘛對不對所以基本上這個部長一定也有簽合啊你你調評師送上去部長一定有簽合嘛所以我們才說這是許民春演唱會自己核准然後高歌納稅人買單啊而且\n\n04:20.678 --> 04:39.979\n你看一下他現場有唱三首歌喔《孤女的願望》《純情青春夢》《我的心裡只有你沒有她》然後我們也看一下這歌詞我想《我的心裡只有你沒有她》這跟我們這個性別工作平等不知道到底有沒有什麼關係那這個歌這些歌單這些規劃是調評師規劃部長上去唱的嗎\n\n04:43.520 --> 05:06.862\n這個部分的話我們有跟製作單位共同來討論那製作單位的話在安排上面我們有討論到說後面是用一個呃帶帶進來這樣的一個演唱然後再來做宣導能夠把整個宣導的部分的話做的稍微活一點大概好所以你們那時候就有規劃嗎可是我們去了解有我們這個節目企劃整個流程哦\n\n05:08.644 --> 05:20.912\n這個從熊熊音樂演唱四季紅安平追想曲到吉月二重奏然後中場休息我們看整個企劃整個流程並沒有許部長唱歌這個流程啊企劃書也沒有啊\n\n05:21.813 --> 05:36.781\n這個是我們在設計上面包括後來的節目單實際上我們有提供給委員嘛那那個節目單的裡面的部分的話我們並沒有把這部分擺上去那原因是我們大概跟製作單位有考慮到說後面要擺一個這個也是設計橋段的問題啊\n\n05:38.942 --> 06:04.040\n要給大家一個驚喜是嗎?一個彩蛋進來的那個情況下那大家有一個啊嘩然這樣的一個情況所以我的意思是說你當初所有的企劃並沒有所以聽市長這樣講其實你們事前就有規劃只是企劃書裡面沒有對不對?對對對企劃書沒有嗎?企劃書是後面的話在提報的時候當初在思考的部分我們在有去做一些修正\n\n06:04.500 --> 06:32.746\n所以所以市長我是認為喔你們當初應該在企劃喔可能不敢把這個橋段放上去啦因為這企劃流程放上去我不知道大家的觀感是怎麼樣而且你你想想看這個整個音樂會他要唱歌也不是公園阿公阿嬤那個前頭下去就點歌就會出來那個樂團他一定要事先排練他要唱哪些歌歌曲曲目絕對就是事先都排演的所以我不知道為什麼你們在前面整個企劃\n\n06:33.806 --> 06:40.381\n跟節目表完全都沒有然後後面不知道為什麼會安插進來可能你們自己也在規避吧\n\n06:41.837 --> 07:07.162\n好沒關係這個我相信呢這大家心裡有數啦那我們針對我請問一下部長師長喔這個音樂演唱會喔那個時候舉辦的時候是我們民國111年的9月3號那你知不知道我們疫情指揮中心全面鬆綁室內室外空間全程戴口罩鬆綁是什麼時候\n\n07:10.166 --> 07:33.159\n報告那個時候我們在辦理演唱會的時候有跟那個場地的衛武營那邊有接洽過那觀眾的都是戴著口罩的現場上去表演的部分的話他是可以在當時的疫情規定是可以不用戴口罩對但是我不知道當初我們為什麼勞動部堅持要去辦這個演唱會因為那個時候疫情這麼的嚴重我們到111年的12月1號才鬆綁\n\n07:37.822 --> 07:44.433\n那你們在9月3號辦,你知道9月3號那一天我們全國新冠人數確診人數有多少嗎?\n\n07:46.718 --> 08:10.764\n沒有關係啦這也不用考你啦我們查了一下喔那一天喔新冠確診還有34339結果你們去花了400萬去辦的這場演唱會我不知道當初你們的想法到底是怎麼樣子喔這我覺得部長針對這部分呢是不是給我們可以給我們一個調查報告因為從這之前\n\n08:12.033 --> 08:16.969\n當初整個計畫書都沒有的東西中間也這樣子安插是不是故意規避這個計畫\n\n08:19.161 --> 08:45.553\n那個跟突然報告吼第一個確實性供法其實我認為是一個非常在臺灣這個勞動的法制是一個非常非常重要的法規我自己覺得在做相關的紀念或者是政策的推廣我覺得這個事情我認為是OK的但確實在部分的呈現橋段上面適不適合對社會來說觀感好不好這部分我覺得是可以有檢討的空間的\n\n08:47.153 --> 09:03.105\n好,針對我們剛剛所提的幾個我們每個月的觸及率還有我們針對這企劃流程你們也說明一下當初為什麼刻意沒有去把它呈現出來還有為什麼會挑那天來辦這個沒關係你就再調查報告給我們說明一下\n\n09:05.387 --> 09:08.209\n全國移工人數目前是多少?\n\n09:34.068 --> 09:58.140\n應該是突破80萬人對那部長知道突破80萬人其實在去年1月的時候只有72萬多人那到今年10月就突破了80萬人那尤其我們桃園市這個政府真的是全國最高那我們瞭解一下我們這個移工持續暴增的狀況之下\n\n09:59.781 --> 10:28.213\n可是我們感覺針對移工業務的訪查員跟諮詢人數這遠遠不足那我們勞發署針對這部分我們數百億的救救安基金補助地方政府做這個業務是不是補助的太少讓人數這嚴重不足謝謝突然的提醒這部分我們如果經費的話我覺得我們應該把這個部分經費上面要給我們訪查員更多一點支持好不好\n\n10:29.025 --> 10:46.464\n那個跟委員報告有關我們對地方政府辦理移工的一個相關業務不管是訪查或是同意人員的相關的服務的人數我們是參考各個縣市政府他的移工的在台人數還有雇主加數以及仲介的加數他的規模如果變大我的那個輔導員的人數就跟著調整\n\n10:47.785 --> 11:05.645\n好,你看一下我們三個移工最多的直轄是新北、桃園、台中。在106年山都訪查員人數只有37位、34位、34位。新北37、桃園34、台中34。它的人均服務量到2400多人到2900多人。\n\n11:08.166 --> 11:08.306\n以桃園市為例,\n\n11:27.025 --> 11:41.292\n他從34個雖然增加到43個但是他人均服務量卻增加了又再增加了9.1%所以我們這個救安基金補助這個人力的速度遠遠落後我們各縣市移工增加的數量欸\n\n11:42.711 --> 12:03.207\n那個跟突然報告吼現在在今年12月目前定是16號會邀集各地方政府來檢討關於訪查員員額的數字那剛剛突然提醒的部分我會請這個部內的同仁在檢討的時候其實應該要好好的這個回應來評估思考\n\n12:04.067 --> 12:32.129\n對,我這邊也提醒部長尤其大家現在對救安基金的使用的地方大家都非常的關注那你像這個應該補助的我也提醒部長應該針對這一部分因為我們中央大開移工之門收了很多僱主的就業安定費大家對這個錢的使用都非常的關注所以針對這第一線的訪查人員跟移工諮詢服務人員我們真的要多增加你看我們移工諮詢服務人員\n\n12:33.510 --> 12:53.363\n桃園市的人均服務量他一個人要服務8700多人所以這我們覺得桃益移工對於這部分我覺得我們要好好去關注因為我們覺得訪查員跟諮詢服務人員是桃益移工的第一道防線那這部分真的部長要幫忙重視一下好沒問題\n\n12:54.524 --> 13:09.342\n還有我們針對勞發署之前也爆發霸凌的事件我覺得說應該勞發署的業務過於繁重工作的績效壓力真的很大而且我看洪部長也有公開承諾會向行政院來爭取這個原則是不是\n\n13:12.025 --> 13:40.306\n我跟同仁說明我們其實也有發現我其實也理解到目前勞發署在他整體的員額甚至在正式人員跟約用人員包括承攬之間的這個人數的比例我認為是不夠健康的這裡面當然都影響到在這個業務分工分配的過程執行的過程裡面是比較容易出現風險的我有理解到這件事所以這部分當然我們也希望能夠跟行政院的人種來再做更多的爭取\n\n13:40.666 --> 14:08.778\n所以真的我們要為勞發署的這些同仁發聲他們真的應該尤其最近我看他們的業務真的暴漲單就我看我們的國會我們國會針對我們國會的服務人員只有一位勞發署對我們國會服務人員只有一位我們去查了一下他在108年前的編制是三個現在勞發署對於我們國會業務人員只有一個所以我覺得部長這部分幫我們關心了解一下\n\n14:09.238 --> 14:17.482\n自己周邊的同仁多關心,那我也希望這個霸凌事件能夠減低,因為同仁的工作壓力真的太大了。\n\n","segments":[{"start":7.688,"end":10.87,"text":"好,謝謝主席。請我們部長,還有我們調評師的黃市長。請部長、市長。託人好。好,那我先請教一下我們黃市長。"},{"start":22.369,"end":40.901,"text":"那剛剛因為剛好我有聽到我們王一鳴委員有詢問我們針對我們音樂會有辦的有弄的7支影片那當初是這7支影片是為了要擴大參與那剛剛黃市長有講那7支影片的部分"},{"start":42.121,"end":67.012,"text":"我們整場音樂會因為點擊率很高是整場音樂會有7萬多次但是這個7支其他的單支的點擊率都很差啦剛剛王一鳴委員有講針對其他7支影片點擊率都是幾百次最高的不過就是2000出一點那重點那個我們整場音樂會7萬多次所以黃市長是針對說整場音樂會7萬多次點擊率很高是針對這個整場音樂會對不對"},{"start":71.124,"end":96.484,"text":"報告委員那是所有的連結起來總共是7萬多次這個是總計的部分那其實當天現場大概有2000多位的2000位左右的民眾是在參與的其實針對這部分那時候我們也很有興趣了解啦因為其他單支影片點擊率都很低那你們以為要這整場的音樂會後來我們也要求要"},{"start":97.425,"end":125.75,"text":"與你們要這個後台的點閱資料可是要了很久發現你們也都不願意提供那我們想了解這部分算是機密嗎?報告我們現在的話是這樣跟委員報告當天的現場是有2000位左右的民眾是參與的那當天的話我們也發布這個資料提供會有困難嗎?為什麼我們要這個資料要不到?那個相關的那個數據的部分的話我們目前從我們網頁上面找到的是這樣的一個數據"},{"start":126.59,"end":155.191,"text":"我們可以掉這個每個月的觸及率嗎?因為我們發現其實有可能他整場因為是後來這個事件爆發大家才很有興趣上去看這個影片的並不是之前大家很有興趣看欸而是這個事件爆發這個點閱率才高所以我們才說要求掉這個每個月的觸及率可是為什麼一直這個觸及率我想了解一下這是檢察官講的偵查不公開的部分嗎?"},{"start":156.605,"end":181.598,"text":"這個部分的話我們來回去再跟我們的那個資訊單位來去做一下確認是不是可以往前面找一下數據對請提供一下因為我們真的很懷疑喔因為之前你說有一些核銷的案件喔因為帳目的問題檢察官在調查偵查不公開可是我相信這個應該不在檢察官的偵查範圍內我相信這應該不是機密對我覺得這部分可以公開"},{"start":182.518,"end":199.112,"text":"好那請我們盡快提供喔因為我們很有興趣因為我們一直看這個單字的影片點閱率就很低啊那我相信是不是因為大家針對這事件爆發之後才對這個音樂會很有興趣應該是最近才爆量的喔那請把這個數據提供給我這個可以提供"},{"start":201.334,"end":221.062,"text":"好那還有黃市長那時候我們說這個音樂會籌辦跟簽合你說都有正常的流程正式的簽合流程所以基本上應該我們主管部長這些都有簽合嗎所以我們說這個演唱會是不是許民春演唱會自己簽合然後高歌納稅人買單啊"},{"start":224.261,"end":239.018,"text":"報告委員那個案子是我們我們調評室這邊來簽合的那整個案件來講的話就是為了要去做宣導那個性別工作平等法的這個相關的規定並沒有所謂說為了要開個人"},{"start":240.399,"end":258.776,"text":"對沒關係啦我的意思說你那時候有講嘛這是都是個正式公文都有簽合的流程都有完備嘛對不對所以基本上這個部長一定也有簽合啊你你調評師送上去部長一定有簽合嘛所以我們才說這是許民春演唱會自己核准然後高歌納稅人買單啊而且"},{"start":260.678,"end":279.979,"text":"你看一下他現場有唱三首歌喔《孤女的願望》《純情青春夢》《我的心裡只有你沒有她》然後我們也看一下這歌詞我想《我的心裡只有你沒有她》這跟我們這個性別工作平等不知道到底有沒有什麼關係那這個歌這些歌單這些規劃是調評師規劃部長上去唱的嗎"},{"start":283.52,"end":306.862,"text":"這個部分的話我們有跟製作單位共同來討論那製作單位的話在安排上面我們有討論到說後面是用一個呃帶帶進來這樣的一個演唱然後再來做宣導能夠把整個宣導的部分的話做的稍微活一點大概好所以你們那時候就有規劃嗎可是我們去了解有我們這個節目企劃整個流程哦"},{"start":308.644,"end":320.912,"text":"這個從熊熊音樂演唱四季紅安平追想曲到吉月二重奏然後中場休息我們看整個企劃整個流程並沒有許部長唱歌這個流程啊企劃書也沒有啊"},{"start":321.813,"end":336.781,"text":"這個是我們在設計上面包括後來的節目單實際上我們有提供給委員嘛那那個節目單的裡面的部分的話我們並沒有把這部分擺上去那原因是我們大概跟製作單位有考慮到說後面要擺一個這個也是設計橋段的問題啊"},{"start":338.942,"end":364.04,"text":"要給大家一個驚喜是嗎?一個彩蛋進來的那個情況下那大家有一個啊嘩然這樣的一個情況所以我的意思是說你當初所有的企劃並沒有所以聽市長這樣講其實你們事前就有規劃只是企劃書裡面沒有對不對?對對對企劃書沒有嗎?企劃書是後面的話在提報的時候當初在思考的部分我們在有去做一些修正"},{"start":364.5,"end":392.746,"text":"所以所以市長我是認為喔你們當初應該在企劃喔可能不敢把這個橋段放上去啦因為這企劃流程放上去我不知道大家的觀感是怎麼樣而且你你想想看這個整個音樂會他要唱歌也不是公園阿公阿嬤那個前頭下去就點歌就會出來那個樂團他一定要事先排練他要唱哪些歌歌曲曲目絕對就是事先都排演的所以我不知道為什麼你們在前面整個企劃"},{"start":393.806,"end":400.381,"text":"跟節目表完全都沒有然後後面不知道為什麼會安插進來可能你們自己也在規避吧"},{"start":401.837,"end":427.162,"text":"好沒關係這個我相信呢這大家心裡有數啦那我們針對我請問一下部長師長喔這個音樂演唱會喔那個時候舉辦的時候是我們民國111年的9月3號那你知不知道我們疫情指揮中心全面鬆綁室內室外空間全程戴口罩鬆綁是什麼時候"},{"start":430.166,"end":453.159,"text":"報告那個時候我們在辦理演唱會的時候有跟那個場地的衛武營那邊有接洽過那觀眾的都是戴著口罩的現場上去表演的部分的話他是可以在當時的疫情規定是可以不用戴口罩對但是我不知道當初我們為什麼勞動部堅持要去辦這個演唱會因為那個時候疫情這麼的嚴重我們到111年的12月1號才鬆綁"},{"start":457.822,"end":464.433,"text":"那你們在9月3號辦,你知道9月3號那一天我們全國新冠人數確診人數有多少嗎?"},{"start":466.718,"end":490.764,"text":"沒有關係啦 這也不用考你啦我們查了一下喔那一天喔新冠確診還有34339結果你們去花了400萬去辦的這場演唱會我不知道當初你們的想法到底是怎麼樣子喔這我覺得部長針對這部分呢是不是給我們可以給我們一個調查報告因為從這之前"},{"start":492.033,"end":496.969,"text":"當初整個計畫書都沒有的東西中間也這樣子安插是不是故意規避這個計畫"},{"start":499.161,"end":525.553,"text":"那個跟突然報告吼第一個確實性供法其實我認為是一個非常在臺灣這個勞動的法制是一個非常非常重要的法規我自己覺得在做相關的紀念或者是政策的推廣我覺得這個事情我認為是OK的但確實在部分的呈現橋段上面適不適合對社會來說觀感好不好這部分我覺得是可以有檢討的空間的"},{"start":527.153,"end":543.105,"text":"好,針對我們剛剛所提的幾個我們每個月的觸及率還有我們針對這企劃流程你們也說明一下當初為什麼刻意沒有去把它呈現出來還有為什麼會挑那天來辦這個沒關係你就再調查報告給我們說明一下"},{"start":545.387,"end":548.209,"text":"全國移工人數目前是多少?"},{"start":574.068,"end":598.14,"text":"應該是突破80萬人對 那部長知道突破80萬人其實在去年1月的時候只有72萬多人那到今年10月就突破了80萬人那尤其我們桃園市這個政府真的是全國最高那我們瞭解一下我們這個移工持續暴增的狀況之下"},{"start":599.781,"end":628.213,"text":"可是我們感覺針對移工業務的訪查員跟諮詢人數這遠遠不足那我們勞發署針對這部分我們數百億的救救安基金補助地方政府做這個業務是不是補助的太少讓人數這嚴重不足謝謝突然的提醒這部分我們如果經費的話我覺得我們應該把這個部分經費上面要給我們訪查員更多一點支持好不好"},{"start":629.025,"end":646.464,"text":"那個跟委員報告有關我們對地方政府辦理移工的一個相關業務不管是訪查或是同意人員的相關的服務的人數我們是參考各個縣市政府他的移工的在台人數還有雇主加數以及仲介的加數他的規模如果變大我的那個輔導員的人數就跟著調整"},{"start":647.785,"end":665.645,"text":"好,你看一下我們三個移工最多的直轄是新北、桃園、台中。在106年山都訪查員人數只有37位、34位、34位。新北37、桃園34、台中34。它的人均服務量到2400多人到2900多人。"},{"start":668.166,"end":668.306,"text":"以桃園市為例,"},{"start":687.025,"end":701.292,"text":"他從34個雖然增加到43個但是他人均服務量卻增加了又再增加了9.1%所以我們這個救安基金補助這個人力的速度遠遠落後我們各縣市移工增加的數量欸"},{"start":702.711,"end":723.207,"text":"那個跟突然報告吼現在在今年12月目前定是16號會邀集各地方政府來檢討關於訪查員員額的數字那剛剛突然提醒的部分我會請這個部內的同仁在檢討的時候其實應該要好好的這個回應來評估思考"},{"start":724.067,"end":752.129,"text":"對,我這邊也提醒部長尤其大家現在對救安基金的使用的地方大家都非常的關注那你像這個應該補助的我也提醒部長應該針對這一部分因為我們中央大開移工之門收了很多僱主的就業安定費大家對這個錢的使用都非常的關注所以針對這第一線的訪查人員跟移工諮詢服務人員我們真的要多增加你看我們移工諮詢服務人員"},{"start":753.51,"end":773.363,"text":"桃園市的人均服務量他一個人要服務8700多人所以這我們覺得桃益移工對於這部分我覺得我們要好好去關注因為我們覺得訪查員跟諮詢服務人員是桃益移工的第一道防線那這部分真的部長要幫忙重視一下好沒問題"},{"start":774.524,"end":789.342,"text":"還有我們針對勞發署之前也爆發霸凌的事件我覺得說應該勞發署的業務過於繁重工作的績效壓力真的很大而且我看洪部長也有公開承諾會向行政院來爭取這個原則是不是"},{"start":792.025,"end":820.306,"text":"我跟同仁說明我們其實也有發現我其實也理解到目前勞發署在他整體的員額甚至在正式人員跟約用人員包括承攬之間的這個人數的比例我認為是不夠健康的這裡面當然都影響到在這個業務分工分配的過程執行的過程裡面是比較容易出現風險的我有理解到這件事所以這部分當然我們也希望能夠跟行政院的人種來再做更多的爭取"},{"start":820.666,"end":848.778,"text":"所以真的我們要為勞發署的這些同仁發聲他們真的應該尤其最近我看他們的業務真的暴漲單就我看我們的國會我們國會針對我們國會的服務人員只有一位勞發署對我們國會服務人員只有一位我們去查了一下他在108年前的編制是三個現在勞發署對於我們國會業務人員只有一個所以我覺得部長這部分幫我們關心了解一下"},{"start":849.238,"end":857.482,"text":"自己周邊的同仁多關心,那我也希望這個霸凌事件能夠減低,因為同仁的工作壓力真的太大了。"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":452,"blocks":[["涂委員權吉：（10時37分）謝謝主席，請部長，還有條平司黃司長。"],["主席：請部長、司長。"],["洪部長申翰：涂委員好。"],["涂委員權吉：我先請教黃司長，剛剛我聽到王育敏委員詢問，你們針對音樂會弄了7支影片，當初這7支影片是為了要擴大參與，剛剛黃司長有講，整場音樂會的點擊率很高，有七萬多次，但這7支單支影片的點擊率都很差，王育敏委員講過，針對其他的7支影片點擊率都是幾百次，最高的不過就是兩千出頭。重點在於，黃司長所說的點擊率很高、有七萬多次，是針對這整場音樂會對不對？"],["黃司長維琛：報告委員，那是所有的，連結起來總共是七萬多次，這是總計的部分。其實當天現場大概有兩千位左右的民眾在參與。"],["涂委員權吉：針對這部分，我們也很有興趣了解，因為其他的單支影片點擊率都很低，那你們引以為傲的是對於這整場音樂會，後來我們也要求跟你們要後臺的點閱資料，可是要了很久，發現你們也都不願意提供，我們想了解這一部分算是機密嗎？"],["黃司長維琛：跟委員報告，當天的現場是有兩千位左右民眾參與，當天我們也有發布新聞稿，媒體都有來報導。"],["涂委員權吉：不是，這個資料提供會有困難嗎？為什麼我們要這個資料要不到？"],["黃司長維琛：相關的數據部分，目前從我們網頁上面找到的是這樣的數據。"],["涂委員權吉：我們可以調每個月的觸擊率嗎？因為我們發現有可能是後來這個事件爆發，大家才很有興趣上去看這個影片，並不是之前大家就很有興趣看耶！而是這個事件爆發，點閱率才高。所以我們才要求調每個月的觸擊率，可是為什麼觸擊率……我想了解一下，這是檢察官講的偵查不公開的部分嗎？"],["黃司長維琛：這個部分我們回去再跟資訊單位確認是不是可以往前面找一下數據。"],["涂委員權吉：請提供一下，因為我們真的很懷疑，之前你說有一些核銷的案件，因為帳務的問題檢察官在調查，偵查不公開，可是我相信這個應該不在檢察官的偵查範圍內，我相信這應該不是機密。"],["洪部長申翰：涂委員，我覺得這部分可以公開。"],["涂委員權吉：好，那請你們儘快提供，因為我們很有興趣，因為我們看這個單支的影片點閱率一直都很低，我相信大家是因為這個事件爆發之後，才對這個音樂會很有興趣，應該是最近才爆量的，請把這個數據提供給我。"],["洪部長申翰：這個可以提供。"],["涂委員權吉：好。還有黃司長，那時候我們說這個音樂會的籌辦跟簽核，你說都有正式的簽核流程，所以基本上主管、部長應該都有簽核，所以我們說這個演唱會是不是許銘春自己簽核然後高歌，由納稅人買單？"],["黃司長維琛：報告委員，那個案子是條平司這邊簽核的，整個案件來講的話，就是為了要去宣導性別工作平等法的相關規定，並沒有所謂為了要開個人的演唱會。"],["涂委員權吉：沒關係啦！我的意思是說，你那時候有講這個正式公文的簽核流程都有完備，對不對？所以基本上部長一定也有簽核啊！條平司送上去，部長一定有簽核嘛！所以我們才說這是許銘春演唱會自己核准然後高歌，由納稅人買單啦！而且你看一下，他現場有唱3首歌喔！「孤女的願望」、「純情青春夢」、「我的心裡只有你沒有他」，然後我們也看一下歌詞，我想「我的心裡只有你沒有他」，這跟我們的性別工作平等不知道到底有沒有什麼關係，這些歌單、這些規劃是條平司規劃，部長上去唱的嗎？"],["黃司長維琛：這個部分的話，我們有跟製作單位共同討論，那製作單位在安排上面，我們有討論到說後面是用帶進來這樣的演唱，然後再來做宣導，能夠把整個宣導的部分做得稍微活一點，大概是這樣子。"],["涂委員權吉：好，所以你們那時候就有規劃嘛！可是我們去了解以後，節目企劃的整個流程，從熊熊音樂的「四季紅」、「安平追想曲」，到擊樂二重奏，然後中場休息，我們看整個企劃、整個流程，並沒有許部長唱歌這個流程啊！企劃書也沒有啊！"],["黃司長維琛：這個是我們在設計上面……包括像後來的節目單，實際上我們也有提供給委員，在那個節目單裡面，我們並沒有把這部分擺上去，原因是製作單位有考慮到後面要擺一個……這個也是設計橋段的問題啦！就是設計一個……"],["涂委員權吉：要給大家一個驚喜是嗎？"],["黃司長維琛：一個彩蛋進來的那個情況下，然後大家有一個譁然的情況，再帶入宣導……"],["涂委員權吉：我的意思是說，你當初所有的企劃並沒有……"],["黃司長維琛：企劃裡面是有的。"],["涂委員權吉：所以聽司長這樣講，其實你們事前就有規劃，只是企劃書裡面沒有，對不對？"],["黃司長維琛：對。"],["涂委員權吉：企劃書沒有嘛？"],["黃司長維琛：企劃書是後面在提報的時候……當初在思考這個部分，我們再去做一些修正。"],["涂委員權吉：司長，我們認為你們當初在企劃裡面可能不敢把這個橋段放上去啦！因為這個企劃流程放上去，我不知道大家的觀感是怎麼樣。而且你想想看，這整個音樂會他要唱歌，也不是像公園阿公、阿嬤把錢投下去，點歌就會出來耶！樂團一定要事先排練，他要唱哪些歌，歌曲、曲目絕對都要事先排演，我不知道為什麼你們在前面的整個企劃跟節目表完全都沒有，然後後面不知道為什麼會安插進來，可能你們自己也在規避吧！好！沒關係，這個我相信大家心裡有數啦！","我再請問一下部長、司長，這個音樂演唱會舉辦的時候是民國111年9月3號，那你知不知道我們疫情指揮中心全面鬆綁室內、室外空間全程戴口罩，鬆綁是什麼時候？"],["黃司長維琛：我們在辦理演唱會的時候，有跟場地的衛武營那邊接洽過，觀眾都是戴著口罩，現場上去表演部分的話，當時的疫情規定是可以不用戴口罩。"],["涂委員權吉：對，但是我不知道當初為什麼勞動部堅持要去辦這個演唱會，因為那個時候疫情這麼的嚴重，我們到111年12月1號才鬆綁，那你們在9月3號辦，你知道9月3號那一天全國新冠確診人數有多少嗎？沒關係，這也不用考你啦！我們查了一下，那一天新冠確診還有3萬4,339人，結果你們花了400萬去辦這場演唱會，我不知道當初你們的想法到底是怎麼樣子，部長針對這部分，是不是可以給我們一個調查報告？因為當初整個企劃書都沒有的東西，中間也這樣子安插，是不是故意規避這個企劃？"],["洪部長申翰：跟涂委員報告，第一個，我認為性工法在臺灣的勞動法制是一個非常非常重要的法規，進行相關的紀念或者是政策的推廣，我覺得這個事情我認為是OK的，但確實在部分的呈現橋段上面適不適合，對社會來說觀感好不好，這部分我覺得是可以有檢討的空間。"],["涂委員權吉：好，針對我們剛剛所提的幾個，包括每個月的觸及率，還有針對這個企劃流程你們也說明一下，當初為什麼刻意沒有去把它呈現出來，還有為什麼會挑那一天來辦這個活動，沒關係，你就在調查報告跟我們說明一下。"],["洪部長申翰：剛剛涂委員要的幾個部分是具體的數據，然後為什麼在那個時候舉辦，那個時間點的選擇原因，相關的說明我會提供給涂委員。"],["涂委員權吉：對，這個調查報告請部長再處理一下。"],["洪部長申翰：提供給涂委員。"],["涂委員權吉：好。針對移工的部分，現在全國移工的人數是多少？"],["洪部長申翰：應該是突破80萬人。"],["涂委員權吉：對，部長知道突破80萬人，其實在去年1月的時候只有72萬多人，那到今年10月就突破了80萬人，尤其我們桃園市的增幅是全國最高。那我們去了解一下，在移工持續暴增的狀況之下，可是針對移工業務的訪查員跟諮詢人數卻遠遠不足，勞發署針對這部分，數百億的就安基金補助地方政府做這個業務，是不是補助得太少而讓人數嚴重不足？"],["洪部長申翰：謝謝涂委員的提醒，這個部分如果有經費的話，我覺得我們應該要給訪查員更多一點支持，好不好？"],["陳代理署長世昌：跟委員報告，有關地方政府辦理移工的相關業務，不管是訪查或者是通譯人員相關服務的人數，我們是參考各個縣市政府移工的在臺人數，還有雇主家數以及仲介的家數，它的規模如果變大，輔導員的人數就跟著調整。"],["涂委員權吉：好，你看一下三個移工最多的直轄市分別是新北、桃園、臺中，在106年三都訪查員人數只有37位、34位、34位，新北37位、桃園34位、臺中34位，人均服務量是兩千四百多人到兩千九百多人。後來雖然有增加，可是訪查員跟諮詢服務人員的人數增加速度比不上移工增加的速度，以桃園市為例，它雖然從34個增加到43個，但是人均服務量卻增加了9.1%，所以就安基金補助人力的速度遠遠落後各縣市移工增加的數量。"],["洪部長申翰：跟涂委員報告，在今年12月，目前是訂在16號，會邀集各地方政府來檢討關於訪查員員額的數字，剛才涂委員提醒的部分，我會請部內的同仁在檢討的時候好好的回應並評估思考。"],["涂委員權吉：我這邊也提醒部長，尤其大家現在對就安基金的使用都非常關注，像這個應該補助的，我也提醒部長應該針對這一部分……因為中央大開移工之門，收了很多雇主的就業安定費，大家對這個錢的使用都非常的關注，所以針對第一線的訪查人員跟移工諮詢服務人員，我們真的要多增加。你看移工諮詢服務人員，桃園市的人均服務量，他一個人要服務八千七百多人，所以我們覺得逃逸移工……對於這一部分，我覺得我們要好好去關注，因為我們覺得訪查員跟諮詢服務人員是逃逸移工的第一道防線，這部分部長真的要幫忙重視一下。"],["洪部長申翰：好，沒問題。"],["涂委員權吉：還有針對勞發署之前爆發霸凌的事件，我覺得勞發署業務過於繁重，工作的績效、壓力真的很大，而且我看洪部長也有公開承諾會向行政院爭取員額是不是？"],["洪部長申翰：我跟委員說明，我其實也有發現、也理解目前勞發署整體的員額，甚至在正式人員跟約用人員，包括承攬之間的人數比例，我認為是不夠健康的，這當然都影響到在業務分工、分配執行的過程裡面是比較容易出現風險的，我有理解到這件事情。"],["涂委員權吉：所以這部分……"],["洪部長申翰：這部分我們當然希望跟行政院的人總做更多的爭取。"],["涂委員權吉：所以我們真的要為勞發署的這些同仁發聲，他們真的應該……尤其最近我看他們的業務真的暴漲，單就我們的國會來看，針對我們國會的服務人員只有1位，勞發署對我們國會的服務人員只有1位，我們去查了一下，它在108年前的編制是3個，現在勞發署對我們國會的業務人員只有1個，所以我覺得部長要幫我們關心、瞭解一下。"],["洪部長申翰：好。"],["涂委員權吉：自己周邊的同仁要多關心。"],["洪部長申翰：當然。"],["涂委員權吉：我也希望霸凌事件能夠減低，因為同仁的工作壓力真的太大了。"],["洪部長申翰：謝謝涂委員的提醒。"],["涂委員權吉：請部長再多幫忙，謝謝。"],["洪部長申翰：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝涂委員的發言、謝謝部長。","我們請盧縣一委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":196,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-13","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","王育敏","涂權吉","盧縣一","陳瑩","蘇清泉","陳培瑜","林淑芬","賴士葆","鄭天財Sra 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