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00:01:27,892\n跟委員報告原住民朋友目前有59萬人那他的整個勞動參與的狀況跟失業的狀況跟我們國人的水準其實大致差不多那這個部分我們在相關的經費的話我們都會核實那個依照需求來做調整變略\n\n5\n00:01:28,553 --> 00:01:44,069\n因為我並不知道實際的補助的狀況所以我想知道這10個這10個類別能不能在一個月之內給我相關的書面說明相關經費的分列如果有那個類別的部分我們會再補充給委員好謝謝不用一個月兩個禮拜兩個禮拜謝謝\n\n6\n00:01:46,482 --> 00:02:06,647\n那就剛才大家都在說就基金的一些濫用的情形然後那我就針對這個正義就是在疫情補助的時候暴增到110年109年是70.6億110年的8.4億那你意思是說這個部分怎麼會是由勞動部這邊來支而不是衛福部對不起你說哪一個部分就正義的部分這個\n\n7\n00:02:16,856 --> 00:02:22,881\n綜藝的部分。疫情補助會被質疑說變成疫情補助的一個小金庫。\n\n8\n00:02:25,851 --> 00:02:47,628\n一百零九年高達七十點六億那個跟路人說明喔如果他是針對因為疫情其實也影響到一些勞工就業的問題就影響到他的職場就業的狀況因為影響整體經濟情勢那如果有針對這個勞工就業或提升福祉相關議題的話確實雖然他是因為疫情而影響的但\n\n9\n00:02:48,829 --> 00:03:08,425\n但是我知道在我們在醫院服務的時候甚至是衛生所服務的時候那個衛福不在刪一些健保在刪一些預算的時候是毫不留情的在刪明明就付出了這些勞力可是這些有如果是這個是70.6有那麼多的話有沒有有沒有辦法去補足他之前被扣的這些錢\n\n10\n00:03:09,406 --> 00:03:34,471\n因為會覺得有點不公平我明明也是在照顧我們這些需要的需要的病人可是呢我們被扣了這麼多可是這邊又補助這麼多啊到底是補助給誰如果他是針對這個促進國民就業或者是勞工福祉相關的這當然在這名目上面比較可以透過這個就救援基金來來支出但如果跟這個比較名目上面不相關那就比較困難\n\n11\n00:03:35,552 --> 00:03:51,353\n第二我的疑問就是我們看到111年有那個所謂的女性勞動活動那大概綠色執政的縣市呢它的補助的金額跟國民黨執政的縣市呢有到10倍跟40倍的差距之多\n\n12\n00:03:54,028 --> 00:04:00,554\n高雄市有到3143萬新竹縣我不要講直辖市我們講屏東縣好了屏東縣是605萬彰化縣是22萬這個就將近差了40倍\n\n13\n00:04:06,184 --> 00:04:22,544\n那個跟突然說明其實我自己覺得是可以整體來檢視這個就案基金補助給地方政府的狀況。是因為你們沒有去推這個女性勞動價值活動還是只有在綠色執政的縣市才有推這個國民黨執政的縣市就沒有推這個活動嗎。並不是並不是這樣請優待會說明。\n\n14\n00:04:25,296 --> 00:04:54,885\n報告委員那一次的話我們訂定了一個計劃那給各縣市政府來自己提案那各縣市政府我們給他的大概有一個月多一點的時間讓他們提案那各縣市政府收回來的提案因為有的縣市政府他自己本身有量能在做有的縣市政府他已經當年上半年已經做過了所以他就沒有再繼續提案那我們是沒有開放式的沒有說限定什麼藍綠這樣子我是知道說只是因為這樣子這樣的別交的話我覺得差太多了所以\n\n15\n00:04:55,225 --> 00:05:01,729\n我還是覺得這方面比較乾淨。那還有就令人產業的安全促進計畫編了1140萬元那我想知道說我們原住民高風險比如說掉落的這些產業啊有沒有做相當的這個類別的一個基金的一個補助?\n\n16\n00:05:16,717 --> 00:05:32,856\n跟路人說明之所以這邊針對綠能產業是因為綠能產業其實裡面有一些比較新興的這個工作的樣態比方說像離岸風電或比方說因為也會有一些新能源或一些新的工作的情境所以補助的意思並不是指讀後\n\n17\n00:05:33,977 --> 00:05:53,065\n綠能產業並不是而是既有的產業的樣態目前已經有比較相對比較成熟的做法在協助但因為綠能產業會有一些比較是新的工作的樣態跟新的風險所以針對這些新的風工作樣態跟風險來有一個這個經費來去做到底怎麼樣去管理這個風險的研擬\n\n18\n00:05:54,346 --> 00:06:08,106\n那我對洪部長有個建議就是說我們針對我們原住民就是比較高風險的這些職業也是我們目前國人勞工死亡最高的一個風險就是掉落的這個風險這個部分應該再多一點所謂的安定的就業基金好不好\n\n19\n00:06:09,042 --> 00:06:11,643\n公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n\n20\n00:06:34,489 --> 00:06:48,613\n我看最新98年的時候就差了將近一萬塊一直到現在也是差了一萬塊所以這個就暗地經濟能不能就他的補貼上面能不能做一個現實面的一個補助讓他的差距變少能不能做一些研究\n\n21\n00:06:50,973 --> 00:07:11,160\n第1個是那個論我非常能夠理解其實原住民遇到的就業情境甚至職場的風險其實可能確實是相對比較高的那這部分我們會請我可以請業務單位來檢討那怎麼樣特別考慮其實原住民常常這個所處的工作環境可能會\n\n22\n00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:38,449\n比其他的這個身份有更多的風險的部分怎麼樣把它考慮進去好不好對那還有一些歧視的問題吼那我們看我們現在的就算已經得到世界冠軍我們的中華隊還是還是有人習慣叫他們小黑那我說我的意思是說即使在職場上面會我們都會收到很多各樣形式的一個所謂的歧視你這方面有沒有做想法做一些改變\n\n23\n00:07:40,652 --> 00:07:57,047\n這些其實如果按照剛剛羅委員講的話它直接就是涉及到這個如果是在職場發生的話直接涉及到就業歧視這直接涉及到就業歧視的部分是法規該怎麼樣規範其實甚至要裁罰的部分這個我們的立場是很清楚的\n\n24\n00:07:57,247 --> 00:07:59,428\n公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n\n25\n00:08:18,459 --> 00:08:43,513\n我們願意納入這個建議跟參考就在服務法裡面有規定所謂的不得對這些種類的一個歧視那你看一下這幾個有沒有缺的你認為有沒有缺的缺了哪一項其實裡面的項目是不少對我覺得重點是落實我努力看了一下大概缺身高體重\n\n26\n00:08:44,997 --> 00:09:05,520\n因確實他已經很努力的在要包含所有的類別可是我們對身高體重還是有一些歧視所以還是要希望能夠標明上去OK我們最後一個要提的就是我們在屏東王總發生一個所謂性別歧視的一個所謂資產霸凌的事件不過\n\n27\n00:09:06,801 --> 00:09:27,589\n議員很像自己調查的結果不是霸凌可是我們實際收到的一個所謂的陳情他確實是個霸凌所以希望我們勞動部這邊能夠去深刻的去了解去檢討這件事情的發生到現在因為這位護理人員還在家或病房那治安署這邊也有做一些調查也有\n\n28\n00:09:28,929 --> 00:09:52,578\n給我們一些回報就是說這些違反哪些規定他上面有一個蠻奇怪的說法就是三年內我也重複違反三年內太久了而且最主要是這個人還在加護病房這個受害者還在加護病房所以我是希望這個三年內這個違反這件事情其實這個規定或者是說請他做改善的這個太輕了\n\n29\n00:09:54,438 --> 00:10:11,760\n我們現在那個如果我們這部分都在做處理我們其實應該是通知他一個月內要改善對而且屏東屏東農業才剛剛開幕沒有多久一個月改並不是三年他沒有所謂以前的做比較他現在就是這個樣子所以希望希望他能夠立即改是我們要求一個月內改善\n\n30\n00:10:12,441 --> 00:10:15,743\n三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務．僅\n\n31\n00:10:29,791 --> 00:10:52,205\n預算是針對我們所謂的宣導的費用。其實這個費用其實可以用來去跟我們所有的僱主做一個捲心通知或者是說LINE的一個訊息跟他們講說如果你這場上面有原住民朋友的話請主動告知他可以休一天的假而不是讓原住民唯唯說說的不好意思他告訴老闆說我是原住民我要請一天假。\n\n32\n00:10:53,081 --> 00:11:19,718\n這部分我們願意來再特別宣導甚至主動宣導還有一個是沒有人提過就是說如果今天是嫁給原住民或是娶了原住民我今天我的內人另外一半要請原住民順時記憶架的時候我自己我是漢人我不是這個族群的我沒有這個我沒有這個架我能不能因為我的配偶是原住民而得到這樣的一個架我們就可以一曲返鄉去參加這個記憶這個部分也請部長這邊去考慮一下好好謝謝謝謝\n\n33\n00:11:21,974 --> 00:11:24,436\n好謝謝盧委員的發言謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3925\t26582\t主席有請部長有請紅部長路人好紅部長我們是第一次見面我先恭喜你那我就剛才的就業安地基金的部分我先請問部長12年的就業安地基金的規模是多少\n29472\t45480\t應該都是200多億吧。你說水位還是流量還是存量?就是大概它的流量。流量的話應該是200多億。大概240億。就說就業服務法第24條它有規定就主管機關對下列自願就業的人員訂定計劃\n47543\t64241\t致力促進其就業必要時的發起相關津貼和補助金,已共有10個人類別,我們原住民大概在第4個。我想知道說第4個,去年的話如果你們有做相關補貼的話大概金額是多少,或者它的規模是多少?\n72915\t87892\t跟委員報告原住民朋友目前有59萬人那他的整個勞動參與的狀況跟失業的狀況跟我們國人的水準其實大致差不多那這個部分我們在相關的經費的話我們都會核實那個依照需求來做調整變略\n88553\t104069\t因為我並不知道實際的補助的狀況所以我想知道這10個這10個類別能不能在一個月之內給我相關的書面說明相關經費的分列如果有那個類別的部分我們會再補充給委員好謝謝不用一個月兩個禮拜兩個禮拜謝謝\n106482\t126647\t那就剛才大家都在說就基金的一些濫用的情形然後那我就針對這個正義就是在疫情補助的時候暴增到110年109年是70.6億110年的8.4億那你意思是說這個部分怎麼會是由勞動部這邊來支而不是衛福部對不起你說哪一個部分就正義的部分這個\n136856\t142881\t綜藝的部分。疫情補助會被質疑說變成疫情補助的一個小金庫。\n145851\t167628\t一百零九年高達七十點六億那個跟路人說明喔如果他是針對因為疫情其實也影響到一些勞工就業的問題就影響到他的職場就業的狀況因為影響整體經濟情勢那如果有針對這個勞工就業或提升福祉相關議題的話確實雖然他是因為疫情而影響的但\n168829\t188425\t但是我知道在我們在醫院服務的時候甚至是衛生所服務的時候那個衛福不在刪一些健保在刪一些預算的時候是毫不留情的在刪明明就付出了這些勞力可是這些有如果是這個是70.6有那麼多的話有沒有有沒有辦法去補足他之前被扣的這些錢\n189406\t214471\t因為會覺得有點不公平我明明也是在照顧我們這些需要的需要的病人可是呢我們被扣了這麼多可是這邊又補助這麼多啊到底是補助給誰如果他是針對這個促進國民就業或者是勞工福祉相關的這當然在這名目上面比較可以透過這個就救援基金來來支出但如果跟這個比較名目上面不相關那就比較困難\n215552\t231353\t第二我的疑問就是我們看到111年有那個所謂的女性勞動活動那大概綠色執政的縣市呢它的補助的金額跟國民黨執政的縣市呢有到10倍跟40倍的差距之多\n234028\t240554\t高雄市有到3143萬新竹縣我不要講直辖市我們講屏東縣好了屏東縣是605萬彰化縣是22萬這個就將近差了40倍\n246184\t262544\t那個跟突然說明其實我自己覺得是可以整體來檢視這個就案基金補助給地方政府的狀況。 是因為你們沒有去推這個女性勞動價值活動還是只有在綠色執政的縣市才有推這個國民黨執政的縣市就沒有推這個活動嗎。 並不是並不是這樣請優待會說明。\n265296\t294885\t報告委員那一次的話我們訂定了一個計劃那給各縣市政府來自己提案那各縣市政府我們給他的大概有一個月多一點的時間讓他們提案那各縣市政府收回來的提案因為有的縣市政府他自己本身有量能在做有的縣市政府他已經當年上半年已經做過了所以他就沒有再繼續提案那我們是沒有開放式的沒有說限定什麼藍綠這樣子我是知道說只是因為這樣子這樣的別交的話我覺得差太多了所以\n295225\t301729\t我還是覺得這方面比較乾淨。 那還有就令人產業的安全促進計畫編了1140萬元那我想知道說我們原住民高風險比如說掉落的這些產業啊有沒有做相當的這個類別的一個基金的一個補助?\n316717\t332856\t跟路人說明之所以這邊針對綠能產業是因為綠能產業其實裡面有一些比較新興的這個工作的樣態比方說像離岸風電或比方說因為也會有一些新能源或一些新的工作的情境所以補助的意思並不是指讀後\n333977\t353065\t綠能產業並不是而是既有的產業的樣態目前已經有比較相對比較成熟的做法在協助但因為綠能產業會有一些比較是新的工作的樣態跟新的風險所以針對這些新的風工作樣態跟風險來有一個這個經費來去做到底怎麼樣去管理這個風險的研擬\n354346\t368106\t那我對洪部長有個建議就是說我們針對我們原住民就是比較高風險的這些職業也是我們目前國人勞工死亡最高的一個風險就是掉落的這個風險這個部分應該再多一點所謂的安定的就業基金好不好\n369042\t371643\t公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n394489\t408613\t我看最新98年的時候就差了將近一萬塊一直到現在也是差了一萬塊所以這個就暗地經濟能不能就他的補貼上面能不能做一個現實面的一個補助讓他的差距變少能不能做一些研究\n410973\t431160\t第1個是那個論我非常能夠理解其實原住民遇到的就業情境甚至職場的風險其實可能確實是相對比較高的那這部分我們會請我可以請業務單位來檢討那怎麼樣特別考慮其實原住民常常這個所處的工作環境可能會\n431960\t458449\t比其他的這個身份有更多的風險的部分怎麼樣把它考慮進去好不好對那還有一些歧視的問題吼那我們看我們現在的就算已經得到世界冠軍我們的中華隊還是還是有人習慣叫他們小黑那我說我的意思是說即使在職場上面會我們都會收到很多各樣形式的一個所謂的歧視你這方面有沒有做想法做一些改變\n460652\t477047\t這些其實如果按照剛剛羅委員講的話它直接就是涉及到這個如果是在職場發生的話直接涉及到就業歧視這直接涉及到就業歧視的部分是法規該怎麼樣規範其實甚至要裁罰的部分這個我們的立場是很清楚的\n477247\t479428\t公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n498459\t523513\t我們願意納入這個建議跟參考就在服務法裡面有規定所謂的不得對這些種類的一個歧視那你看一下這幾個有沒有缺的你認為有沒有缺的缺了哪一項其實裡面的項目是不少對我覺得重點是落實我努力看了一下大概缺身高體重\n524997\t545520\t因確實他已經很努力的在要包含所有的類別可是我們對身高體重還是有一些歧視所以還是要希望能夠標明上去OK我們最後一個要提的就是我們在屏東王總發生一個所謂性別歧視的一個所謂資產霸凌的事件不過\n546801\t567589\t議員很像自己調查的結果不是霸凌可是我們實際收到的一個所謂的陳情他確實是個霸凌所以希望我們勞動部這邊能夠去深刻的去了解去檢討這件事情的發生到現在因為這位護理人員還在家或病房那治安署這邊也有做一些調查也有\n568929\t592578\t給我們一些回報就是說這些違反哪些規定他上面有一個蠻奇怪的說法就是三年內我也重複違反三年內太久了而且最主要是這個人還在加護病房這個受害者還在加護病房所以我是希望這個三年內這個違反這件事情其實這個規定或者是說請他做改善的這個太輕了\n594438\t611760\t我們現在那個如果我們這部分都在做處理我們其實應該是通知他一個月內要改善對而且屏東屏東農業才剛剛開幕沒有多久一個月改並不是三年他沒有所謂以前的做比較他現在就是這個樣子所以希望希望他能夠立即改是我們要求一個月內改善\n612441\t615743\t三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務．僅\n629791\t652205\t預算是針對我們所謂的宣導的費用。其實這個費用其實可以用來去跟我們所有的僱主做一個捲心通知或者是說LINE的一個訊息跟他們講說如果你這場上面有原住民朋友的話請主動告知他可以休一天的假而不是讓原住民唯唯說說的不好意思他告訴老闆說我是原住民我要請一天假。\n653081\t679718\t這部分我們願意來再特別宣導甚至主動宣導還有一個是沒有人提過就是說如果今天是嫁給原住民或是娶了原住民我今天我的內人另外一半要請原住民順時記憶架的時候我自己我是漢人我不是這個族群的我沒有這個我沒有這個架我能不能因為我的配偶是原住民而得到這樣的一個架我們就可以一曲返鄉去參加這個記憶這個部分也請部長這邊去考慮一下好好謝謝謝謝\n681974\t684436\t好謝謝盧委員的發言謝謝部長\n","txt":"主席有請部長有請紅部長路人好紅部長我們是第一次見面我先恭喜你那我就剛才的就業安地基金的部分我先請問部長12年的就業安地基金的規模是多少\n應該都是200多億吧。你說水位還是流量還是存量?就是大概它的流量。流量的話應該是200多億。大概240億。就說就業服務法第24條它有規定就主管機關對下列自願就業的人員訂定計劃\n致力促進其就業必要時的發起相關津貼和補助金,已共有10個人類別,我們原住民大概在第4個。我想知道說第4個,去年的話如果你們有做相關補貼的話大概金額是多少,或者它的規模是多少?\n跟委員報告原住民朋友目前有59萬人那他的整個勞動參與的狀況跟失業的狀況跟我們國人的水準其實大致差不多那這個部分我們在相關的經費的話我們都會核實那個依照需求來做調整變略\n因為我並不知道實際的補助的狀況所以我想知道這10個這10個類別能不能在一個月之內給我相關的書面說明相關經費的分列如果有那個類別的部分我們會再補充給委員好謝謝不用一個月兩個禮拜兩個禮拜謝謝\n那就剛才大家都在說就基金的一些濫用的情形然後那我就針對這個正義就是在疫情補助的時候暴增到110年109年是70.6億110年的8.4億那你意思是說這個部分怎麼會是由勞動部這邊來支而不是衛福部對不起你說哪一個部分就正義的部分這個\n綜藝的部分。疫情補助會被質疑說變成疫情補助的一個小金庫。\n一百零九年高達七十點六億那個跟路人說明喔如果他是針對因為疫情其實也影響到一些勞工就業的問題就影響到他的職場就業的狀況因為影響整體經濟情勢那如果有針對這個勞工就業或提升福祉相關議題的話確實雖然他是因為疫情而影響的但\n但是我知道在我們在醫院服務的時候甚至是衛生所服務的時候那個衛福不在刪一些健保在刪一些預算的時候是毫不留情的在刪明明就付出了這些勞力可是這些有如果是這個是70.6有那麼多的話有沒有有沒有辦法去補足他之前被扣的這些錢\n因為會覺得有點不公平我明明也是在照顧我們這些需要的需要的病人可是呢我們被扣了這麼多可是這邊又補助這麼多啊到底是補助給誰如果他是針對這個促進國民就業或者是勞工福祉相關的這當然在這名目上面比較可以透過這個就救援基金來來支出但如果跟這個比較名目上面不相關那就比較困難\n第二我的疑問就是我們看到111年有那個所謂的女性勞動活動那大概綠色執政的縣市呢它的補助的金額跟國民黨執政的縣市呢有到10倍跟40倍的差距之多\n高雄市有到3143萬新竹縣我不要講直辖市我們講屏東縣好了屏東縣是605萬彰化縣是22萬這個就將近差了40倍\n那個跟突然說明其實我自己覺得是可以整體來檢視這個就案基金補助給地方政府的狀況。 是因為你們沒有去推這個女性勞動價值活動還是只有在綠色執政的縣市才有推這個國民黨執政的縣市就沒有推這個活動嗎。 並不是並不是這樣請優待會說明。\n報告委員那一次的話我們訂定了一個計劃那給各縣市政府來自己提案那各縣市政府我們給他的大概有一個月多一點的時間讓他們提案那各縣市政府收回來的提案因為有的縣市政府他自己本身有量能在做有的縣市政府他已經當年上半年已經做過了所以他就沒有再繼續提案那我們是沒有開放式的沒有說限定什麼藍綠這樣子我是知道說只是因為這樣子這樣的別交的話我覺得差太多了所以\n我還是覺得這方面比較乾淨。 那還有就令人產業的安全促進計畫編了1140萬元那我想知道說我們原住民高風險比如說掉落的這些產業啊有沒有做相當的這個類別的一個基金的一個補助?\n跟路人說明之所以這邊針對綠能產業是因為綠能產業其實裡面有一些比較新興的這個工作的樣態比方說像離岸風電或比方說因為也會有一些新能源或一些新的工作的情境所以補助的意思並不是指讀後\n綠能產業並不是而是既有的產業的樣態目前已經有比較相對比較成熟的做法在協助但因為綠能產業會有一些比較是新的工作的樣態跟新的風險所以針對這些新的風工作樣態跟風險來有一個這個經費來去做到底怎麼樣去管理這個風險的研擬\n那我對洪部長有個建議就是說我們針對我們原住民就是比較高風險的這些職業也是我們目前國人勞工死亡最高的一個風險就是掉落的這個風險這個部分應該再多一點所謂的安定的就業基金好不好\n公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n我看最新98年的時候就差了將近一萬塊一直到現在也是差了一萬塊所以這個就暗地經濟能不能就他的補貼上面能不能做一個現實面的一個補助讓他的差距變少能不能做一些研究\n第1個是那個論我非常能夠理解其實原住民遇到的就業情境甚至職場的風險其實可能確實是相對比較高的那這部分我們會請我可以請業務單位來檢討那怎麼樣特別考慮其實原住民常常這個所處的工作環境可能會\n比其他的這個身份有更多的風險的部分怎麼樣把它考慮進去好不好對那還有一些歧視的問題吼那我們看我們現在的就算已經得到世界冠軍我們的中華隊還是還是有人習慣叫他們小黑那我說我的意思是說即使在職場上面會我們都會收到很多各樣形式的一個所謂的歧視你這方面有沒有做想法做一些改變\n這些其實如果按照剛剛羅委員講的話它直接就是涉及到這個如果是在職場發生的話直接涉及到就業歧視這直接涉及到就業歧視的部分是法規該怎麼樣規範其實甚至要裁罰的部分這個我們的立場是很清楚的\n公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n我們願意納入這個建議跟參考就在服務法裡面有規定所謂的不得對這些種類的一個歧視那你看一下這幾個有沒有缺的你認為有沒有缺的缺了哪一項其實裡面的項目是不少對我覺得重點是落實我努力看了一下大概缺身高體重\n因確實他已經很努力的在要包含所有的類別可是我們對身高體重還是有一些歧視所以還是要希望能夠標明上去OK我們最後一個要提的就是我們在屏東王總發生一個所謂性別歧視的一個所謂資產霸凌的事件不過\n議員很像自己調查的結果不是霸凌可是我們實際收到的一個所謂的陳情他確實是個霸凌所以希望我們勞動部這邊能夠去深刻的去了解去檢討這件事情的發生到現在因為這位護理人員還在家或病房那治安署這邊也有做一些調查也有\n給我們一些回報就是說這些違反哪些規定他上面有一個蠻奇怪的說法就是三年內我也重複違反三年內太久了而且最主要是這個人還在加護病房這個受害者還在加護病房所以我是希望這個三年內這個違反這件事情其實這個規定或者是說請他做改善的這個太輕了\n我們現在那個如果我們這部分都在做處理我們其實應該是通知他一個月內要改善對而且屏東屏東農業才剛剛開幕沒有多久一個月改並不是三年他沒有所謂以前的做比較他現在就是這個樣子所以希望希望他能夠立即改是我們要求一個月內改善\n三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務．僅\n預算是針對我們所謂的宣導的費用。其實這個費用其實可以用來去跟我們所有的僱主做一個捲心通知或者是說LINE的一個訊息跟他們講說如果你這場上面有原住民朋友的話請主動告知他可以休一天的假而不是讓原住民唯唯說說的不好意思他告訴老闆說我是原住民我要請一天假。\n這部分我們願意來再特別宣導甚至主動宣導還有一個是沒有人提過就是說如果今天是嫁給原住民或是娶了原住民我今天我的內人另外一半要請原住民順時記憶架的時候我自己我是漢人我不是這個族群的我沒有這個我沒有這個架我能不能因為我的配偶是原住民而得到這樣的一個架我們就可以一曲返鄉去參加這個記憶這個部分也請部長這邊去考慮一下好好謝謝謝謝\n好謝謝盧委員的發言謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.925 --> 00:26.582\n主席有請部長有請紅部長路人好紅部長我們是第一次見面我先恭喜你那我就剛才的就業安地基金的部分我先請問部長12年的就業安地基金的規模是多少\n\n00:29.472 --> 00:45.480\n應該都是200多億吧。你說水位還是流量還是存量?就是大概它的流量。流量的話應該是200多億。大概240億。就說就業服務法第24條它有規定就主管機關對下列自願就業的人員訂定計劃\n\n00:47.543 --> 01:04.241\n致力促進其就業必要時的發起相關津貼和補助金,已共有10個人類別,我們原住民大概在第4個。我想知道說第4個,去年的話如果你們有做相關補貼的話大概金額是多少,或者它的規模是多少?\n\n01:12.915 --> 01:27.892\n跟委員報告原住民朋友目前有59萬人那他的整個勞動參與的狀況跟失業的狀況跟我們國人的水準其實大致差不多那這個部分我們在相關的經費的話我們都會核實那個依照需求來做調整變略\n\n01:28.553 --> 01:44.069\n因為我並不知道實際的補助的狀況所以我想知道這10個這10個類別能不能在一個月之內給我相關的書面說明相關經費的分列如果有那個類別的部分我們會再補充給委員好謝謝不用一個月兩個禮拜兩個禮拜謝謝\n\n01:46.482 --> 02:06.647\n那就剛才大家都在說就基金的一些濫用的情形然後那我就針對這個正義就是在疫情補助的時候暴增到110年109年是70.6億110年的8.4億那你意思是說這個部分怎麼會是由勞動部這邊來支而不是衛福部對不起你說哪一個部分就正義的部分這個\n\n02:16.856 --> 02:22.881\n綜藝的部分。疫情補助會被質疑說變成疫情補助的一個小金庫。\n\n02:25.851 --> 02:47.628\n一百零九年高達七十點六億那個跟路人說明喔如果他是針對因為疫情其實也影響到一些勞工就業的問題就影響到他的職場就業的狀況因為影響整體經濟情勢那如果有針對這個勞工就業或提升福祉相關議題的話確實雖然他是因為疫情而影響的但\n\n02:48.829 --> 03:08.425\n但是我知道在我們在醫院服務的時候甚至是衛生所服務的時候那個衛福不在刪一些健保在刪一些預算的時候是毫不留情的在刪明明就付出了這些勞力可是這些有如果是這個是70.6有那麼多的話有沒有有沒有辦法去補足他之前被扣的這些錢\n\n03:09.406 --> 03:34.471\n因為會覺得有點不公平我明明也是在照顧我們這些需要的需要的病人可是呢我們被扣了這麼多可是這邊又補助這麼多啊到底是補助給誰如果他是針對這個促進國民就業或者是勞工福祉相關的這當然在這名目上面比較可以透過這個就救援基金來來支出但如果跟這個比較名目上面不相關那就比較困難\n\n03:35.552 --> 03:51.353\n第二我的疑問就是我們看到111年有那個所謂的女性勞動活動那大概綠色執政的縣市呢它的補助的金額跟國民黨執政的縣市呢有到10倍跟40倍的差距之多\n\n03:54.028 --> 04:00.554\n高雄市有到3143萬新竹縣我不要講直辖市我們講屏東縣好了屏東縣是605萬彰化縣是22萬這個就將近差了40倍\n\n04:06.184 --> 04:22.544\n那個跟突然說明其實我自己覺得是可以整體來檢視這個就案基金補助給地方政府的狀況。是因為你們沒有去推這個女性勞動價值活動還是只有在綠色執政的縣市才有推這個國民黨執政的縣市就沒有推這個活動嗎。並不是並不是這樣請優待會說明。\n\n04:25.296 --> 04:54.885\n報告委員那一次的話我們訂定了一個計劃那給各縣市政府來自己提案那各縣市政府我們給他的大概有一個月多一點的時間讓他們提案那各縣市政府收回來的提案因為有的縣市政府他自己本身有量能在做有的縣市政府他已經當年上半年已經做過了所以他就沒有再繼續提案那我們是沒有開放式的沒有說限定什麼藍綠這樣子我是知道說只是因為這樣子這樣的別交的話我覺得差太多了所以\n\n04:55.225 --> 05:01.729\n我還是覺得這方面比較乾淨。那還有就令人產業的安全促進計畫編了1140萬元那我想知道說我們原住民高風險比如說掉落的這些產業啊有沒有做相當的這個類別的一個基金的一個補助?\n\n05:16.717 --> 05:32.856\n跟路人說明之所以這邊針對綠能產業是因為綠能產業其實裡面有一些比較新興的這個工作的樣態比方說像離岸風電或比方說因為也會有一些新能源或一些新的工作的情境所以補助的意思並不是指讀後\n\n05:33.977 --> 05:53.065\n綠能產業並不是而是既有的產業的樣態目前已經有比較相對比較成熟的做法在協助但因為綠能產業會有一些比較是新的工作的樣態跟新的風險所以針對這些新的風工作樣態跟風險來有一個這個經費來去做到底怎麼樣去管理這個風險的研擬\n\n05:54.346 --> 06:08.106\n那我對洪部長有個建議就是說我們針對我們原住民就是比較高風險的這些職業也是我們目前國人勞工死亡最高的一個風險就是掉落的這個風險這個部分應該再多一點所謂的安定的就業基金好不好\n\n06:09.042 --> 06:11.643\n公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n\n06:34.489 --> 06:48.613\n我看最新98年的時候就差了將近一萬塊一直到現在也是差了一萬塊所以這個就暗地經濟能不能就他的補貼上面能不能做一個現實面的一個補助讓他的差距變少能不能做一些研究\n\n06:50.973 --> 07:11.160\n第1個是那個論我非常能夠理解其實原住民遇到的就業情境甚至職場的風險其實可能確實是相對比較高的那這部分我們會請我可以請業務單位來檢討那怎麼樣特別考慮其實原住民常常這個所處的工作環境可能會\n\n07:11.960 --> 07:38.449\n比其他的這個身份有更多的風險的部分怎麼樣把它考慮進去好不好對那還有一些歧視的問題吼那我們看我們現在的就算已經得到世界冠軍我們的中華隊還是還是有人習慣叫他們小黑那我說我的意思是說即使在職場上面會我們都會收到很多各樣形式的一個所謂的歧視你這方面有沒有做想法做一些改變\n\n07:40.652 --> 07:57.047\n這些其實如果按照剛剛羅委員講的話它直接就是涉及到這個如果是在職場發生的話直接涉及到就業歧視這直接涉及到就業歧視的部分是法規該怎麼樣規範其實甚至要裁罰的部分這個我們的立場是很清楚的\n\n07:57.247 --> 07:59.428\n公務及基金預算．審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．僅\n\n08:18.459 --> 08:43.513\n我們願意納入這個建議跟參考就在服務法裡面有規定所謂的不得對這些種類的一個歧視那你看一下這幾個有沒有缺的你認為有沒有缺的缺了哪一項其實裡面的項目是不少對我覺得重點是落實我努力看了一下大概缺身高體重\n\n08:44.997 --> 09:05.520\n因確實他已經很努力的在要包含所有的類別可是我們對身高體重還是有一些歧視所以還是要希望能夠標明上去OK我們最後一個要提的就是我們在屏東王總發生一個所謂性別歧視的一個所謂資產霸凌的事件不過\n\n09:06.801 --> 09:27.589\n議員很像自己調查的結果不是霸凌可是我們實際收到的一個所謂的陳情他確實是個霸凌所以希望我們勞動部這邊能夠去深刻的去了解去檢討這件事情的發生到現在因為這位護理人員還在家或病房那治安署這邊也有做一些調查也有\n\n09:28.929 --> 09:52.578\n給我們一些回報就是說這些違反哪些規定他上面有一個蠻奇怪的說法就是三年內我也重複違反三年內太久了而且最主要是這個人還在加護病房這個受害者還在加護病房所以我是希望這個三年內這個違反這件事情其實這個規定或者是說請他做改善的這個太輕了\n\n09:54.438 --> 10:11.760\n我們現在那個如果我們這部分都在做處理我們其實應該是通知他一個月內要改善對而且屏東屏東農業才剛剛開幕沒有多久一個月改並不是三年他沒有所謂以前的做比較他現在就是這個樣子所以希望希望他能夠立即改是我們要求一個月內改善\n\n10:12.441 --> 10:15.743\n三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務．僅\n\n10:29.791 --> 10:52.205\n預算是針對我們所謂的宣導的費用。其實這個費用其實可以用來去跟我們所有的僱主做一個捲心通知或者是說LINE的一個訊息跟他們講說如果你這場上面有原住民朋友的話請主動告知他可以休一天的假而不是讓原住民唯唯說說的不好意思他告訴老闆說我是原住民我要請一天假。\n\n10:53.081 --> 11:19.718\n這部分我們願意來再特別宣導甚至主動宣導還有一個是沒有人提過就是說如果今天是嫁給原住民或是娶了原住民我今天我的內人另外一半要請原住民順時記憶架的時候我自己我是漢人我不是這個族群的我沒有這個我沒有這個架我能不能因為我的配偶是原住民而得到這樣的一個架我們就可以一曲返鄉去參加這個記憶這個部分也請部長這邊去考慮一下好好謝謝謝謝\n\n11:21.974 --> 11:24.436\n好謝謝盧委員的發言謝謝部長\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.925,"end":26.582,"text":"主席有請部長有請紅部長路人好紅部長我們是第一次見面我先恭喜你那我就剛才的就業安地基金的部分我先請問部長12年的就業安地基金的規模是多少"},{"start":29.472,"end":45.48,"text":"應該都是200多億吧。你說水位還是流量還是存量?就是大概它的流量。流量的話應該是200多億。大概240億。就說就業服務法第24條它有規定就主管機關對下列自願就業的人員訂定計劃"},{"start":47.543,"end":64.241,"text":"致力促進其就業必要時的發起相關津貼和補助金,已共有10個人類別,我們原住民大概在第4個。我想知道說第4個,去年的話如果你們有做相關補貼的話大概金額是多少,或者它的規模是多少?"},{"start":72.915,"end":87.892,"text":"跟委員報告原住民朋友目前有59萬人那他的整個勞動參與的狀況跟失業的狀況跟我們國人的水準其實大致差不多那這個部分我們在相關的經費的話我們都會核實那個依照需求來做調整變略"},{"start":88.553,"end":104.069,"text":"因為我並不知道實際的補助的狀況所以我想知道這10個這10個類別能不能在一個月之內給我相關的書面說明相關經費的分列如果有那個類別的部分我們會再補充給委員好謝謝不用一個月兩個禮拜兩個禮拜謝謝"},{"start":106.482,"end":126.647,"text":"那就剛才大家都在說就基金的一些濫用的情形然後那我就針對這個正義就是在疫情補助的時候暴增到110年109年是70.6億110年的8.4億那你意思是說這個部分怎麼會是由勞動部這邊來支而不是衛福部對不起你說哪一個部分就正義的部分這個"},{"start":136.856,"end":142.881,"text":"綜藝的部分。疫情補助會被質疑說變成疫情補助的一個小金庫。"},{"start":145.851,"end":167.628,"text":"一百零九年高達七十點六億那個跟路人說明喔如果他是針對因為疫情其實也影響到一些勞工就業的問題就影響到他的職場就業的狀況因為影響整體經濟情勢那如果有針對這個勞工就業或提升福祉相關議題的話確實雖然他是因為疫情而影響的但"},{"start":168.829,"end":188.425,"text":"但是我知道在我們在醫院服務的時候甚至是衛生所服務的時候那個衛福不在刪一些健保在刪一些預算的時候是毫不留情的在刪明明就付出了這些勞力可是這些有如果是這個是70.6有那麼多的話有沒有有沒有辦法去補足他之前被扣的這些錢"},{"start":189.406,"end":214.471,"text":"因為會覺得有點不公平我明明也是在照顧我們這些需要的需要的病人可是呢我們被扣了這麼多可是這邊又補助這麼多啊到底是補助給誰如果他是針對這個促進國民就業或者是勞工福祉相關的這當然在這名目上面比較可以透過這個就救援基金來來支出但如果跟這個比較名目上面不相關那就比較困難"},{"start":215.552,"end":231.353,"text":"第二我的疑問就是我們看到111年有那個所謂的女性勞動活動那大概綠色執政的縣市呢它的補助的金額跟國民黨執政的縣市呢有到10倍跟40倍的差距之多"},{"start":234.028,"end":240.554,"text":"高雄市有到3143萬新竹縣我不要講直辖市我們講屏東縣好了屏東縣是605萬彰化縣是22萬這個就將近差了40倍"},{"start":246.184,"end":262.544,"text":"那個跟突然說明其實我自己覺得是可以整體來檢視這個就案基金補助給地方政府的狀況。 是因為你們沒有去推這個女性勞動價值活動還是只有在綠色執政的縣市才有推這個國民黨執政的縣市就沒有推這個活動嗎。 並不是並不是這樣請優待會說明。"},{"start":265.296,"end":294.885,"text":"報告委員那一次的話我們訂定了一個計劃那給各縣市政府來自己提案那各縣市政府我們給他的大概有一個月多一點的時間讓他們提案那各縣市政府收回來的提案因為有的縣市政府他自己本身有量能在做有的縣市政府他已經當年上半年已經做過了所以他就沒有再繼續提案那我們是沒有開放式的沒有說限定什麼藍綠這樣子我是知道說只是因為這樣子這樣的別交的話我覺得差太多了所以"},{"start":295.225,"end":301.729,"text":"我還是覺得這方面比較乾淨。 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清楚的。"],["盧委員縣一：我提供一個建議，我們常常在拍影片，比如在做職場平權的影片時，演員就應該要有原住民，要有我們主流的族群，而不是……如果今天是拍原住民就全部原住民，如果今天是拍那個，就會沒有一個實際的參考價值。"],["洪部長申翰：好，我們願意納入這個建議跟參考。"],["盧委員縣一：就業服務法裡面有規定所謂的不得對這些種類的歧視，你看一下這幾個有沒有缺的？你認為有沒有缺了哪一項？"],["洪部長申翰：其實裡面的項目是不少，所以我覺得重點是落實。"],["盧委員縣一：對，我努力看了一下，大概缺身高、體重，因為確實它已經很努力要包含所有的類別，可是我們對身高、體重還是有一些歧視，所以還是希望能夠標明上去。"],["洪部長申翰：OK。"],["盧委員縣一：我們最後一個要提的就是在屏東榮總發生了一個性別歧視的職場霸凌事件，不過醫院自己調查的結果不是霸凌，可是我們實際收到的陳情，它確實是一個霸凌，所以希望我們勞動部這邊能夠深刻地去了解、去檢討這件事情的發生，到現在因為這位護理人員還在加護病房，職安署這邊也有做一些調查，也有給我們一些回報，就是說這些違反哪些規定，上面有一個滿奇怪的說法，就是3年內未重複違反，3年內太久了，而且最主要是這個人還在加護病房，這個受害者還在加護病房，所以我是希望3年內違反的這件事情，其實這個規定或者是請它做改善的這個部分太輕了。"],["洪部長申翰：盧委員，這個部分我們正在做處理，我們其實是通知它1個月內要改善。"],["盧委員縣一：對，而且屏東榮總也才剛剛開幕沒有多久……"],["洪部長申翰：對，我們認為1個月改，並不是3年。"],["盧委員縣一：它沒有所謂的以前的做比較，現在就是這個樣子，所以希望它能夠立即改善。"],["洪部長申翰：是，我們要求1個月內改善。"],["盧委員縣一：OK。還有一個就是歲時祭儀的問題，我們現在有16族，常常因為要請假的問題，可能原住民勞工不好意思跟老闆說我是原住民，我要請那天法定的假，所以你們有些預算是針對所謂的宣導費用，其實這個費用可以用來跟所有的雇主發一個簡訊通知或者是說LINE的訊息，跟他們講說如果你職場上面有原住民朋友的話，請主動告知他可以休一天的假，而不是讓原住民畏畏縮縮、不好意思告訴老闆說我是原住民，我要請一天假。"],["洪部長申翰：這部分我們願意再特別宣導，甚至主動宣導。"],["盧委員縣一：還有一個是沒有人提過的，就是如果今天是嫁給原住民或是娶了原住民，今天我的內人、另外一半要請原住民歲時祭儀假的時候，我自己是漢人，我不是這個族群的，我沒有這個假，我能不能因為我的配偶是原住民而得到這樣的假，我們就可以一起返鄉去參加祭儀，這個部分也請部長這邊去考慮一下。"],["洪部長申翰：好。"],["主席：好，謝謝。"],["洪部長申翰：謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝盧委員的發言，謝謝部長。","我們休息10分鐘。","休息（11時3分）","繼續開會（11時13分）"],["主席：我們繼續開會。","我們請下一位陳瑩委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":196,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-13","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","王育敏","涂權吉","盧縣一","陳瑩","蘇清泉","陳培瑜","林淑芬","賴士葆","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","羅智強","洪孟楷","羅廷瑋","麥玉珍","楊曜","王正旭","黃國昌","張啓楷","劉建國","翁曉玲","王鴻薇","張雅琳"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-12-09"],"gazette_id":"1140403","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1140403_00002","1140403_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案\n關於勞動部主管預算（公務及基金預算）；三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心\n114年度預算書案【所列預算案，僅詢答】","agenda_id":"1140403_00001"}}}